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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on January 29, 2013, 07:54:45 PM
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Really? Not quite sure what to make of it. gatewaypundit is usually very reliable. ATK did have huge gov't purchases....
Kinda makes you go Hmmmmm..
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/obama-administration-repositioning-homeland-security-ammunition-containers/
Obama Administration Repositioning Homeland Security Ammunition Containers
Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, January 28, 2013, 12:07 PM
The containers (like those pictured) are usually painted olive drab and are unmarked except for indistinguishable numbers/letters probably for inventory, routing, etc.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/ammo-box-e1359395813253.jpg)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/atk-ammo-e1359396812178.jpg)
Reader Don sent this in recently:
Jim – I passed a convoy of olive drab unmarked 40 foot tractor trailers each with four 10 yard ammo bunker boxes chained to them and unmarked armored Hum-Vee’s heading north on I-95 in Brevard County, Florida this past Thursday morning. The “govt” is positioning these ammo storage boxes, I have been told, in strategic places in population centers around the country. They are usually painted olive drab and are unmarked except for indistinguishable numbers/letters probably for inventory, routing, etc.
Obma’s Homeland Security Department has purchased 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition – that is not a typo — during the last six months.
ATK is one company that won a contract with the Department of Homeland Security to provide 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition in 2012.
Previously it was reported that people around the US have begun reporting the site of strange, new, heavily-armed FEMA fighting vehicles this past year.
One set of images made available by Rense.com shows trailer after trailer carrying these new DHS and FEMA armored fighting vehicles, complete with machine gun slots. They’re labeled with the usual backward American flag and the title, ‘Homeland Security’. Below that and the DHS logo, it also reads, ‘Immigration & Customs Enforcement’. Joining those markings, the black vehicles with white lettering also display ‘POLICE/RESCUE’ on one side and ‘Special Response Team’ on the other.
Whiteout Press reported on the government ammunition purchases back in October 2012.
As we detailed in the August 28 Whiteout Press article ‘History of DHS Ammunition Purchases’, federal emergency management agencies are looking more and more like a military army every day.
The federal government’s procurement website actually lists DHS’ requests for bids to supply it with ammunition and military weaponry. All of the orders listed in the above article, including the orders for hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition, are publicly available at http://www.fbo.gov.
One look at a chart of DHS ammunition purchases over the past decade reveals a drastic spike in orders of bullets recently, totaling in the billions of rounds. Other charts available online show a similar drastic spike in the purchases of accompanying weaponry by the Department of Homeland Security.
What is the US federal government preparing for? And why does it feel it needs an army of brainwashed youth, millions of guns, thousands of armored fighting vehicles and literally billions of rounds of ammunition, just to provide relief to the American people during a natul disaster? Any historian will tell you it sounds more like the arming of the Hitler Youth than an army of first responders fighting forest fires and hurricanes.
Look for the Homeland Security ammunition containers coming soon to your community.
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The little hairs on my neck, the little voice in my head, the telling tales of the real news for those that pay attention, makes one concerned. Not just weep for a Nation, but prepare to defend it.
My favorite quote resource from mouseguns.com is no longer online either.....That's alright, I have another.
"All the people constitute the militia - according to the Founding Fathers. Therefore every able-bodied man has a duty under the Constitution to become part of the 'well-regulated' militia, specifically to understand and perform well with the individual weapon currently issued to the regular establishment .... Thus one who has not qualified himself with the M-16 may not be considered to be a responsible citizen."
Col. Jeff Cooper.
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Hi;
By the letters and numerical (7) combination, what we have here is a shipping container that is ready for overseas capable. You will see their 48-53 ft sister containers loaded up onto overseas container ships. The color is possibly a variation of the "camo" color for Africa.
Since we are now going into Africa and get engaged into another war/conflict, it makes sence to have the troops ready for deployment. A C-130/141/C-7 can handles these with no problems.
These are Platoon size shipping containers, a normal 6000 lb ( long forked )industrial forklift will handle with no problem, the military has "RT"S" that usually do the job in a combat situation.
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Heck.... I wish they would drop one off at my place.
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TW
Where in Brevard county are these things parked? I've got a good set of bolt cutters if you want to take a field trip. Its not theft of government property, its, um, disarming our future UN overlords, yeah, that's the ticket. We're by God making that ammo safe for democracy! ;D
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TW
Where in Brevard county are these things parked? I've got a good set of bolt cutters if you want to take a field trip. Its not theft of government property, its, um, disarming our future UN overlords, yeah, that's the ticket. We're by God making that ammo safe for democracy! ;D
Yes, it is theft of the Kings arms govt property.
But it would be a righteous act .
Remember, our first Revolution was triggered by the authorities trying to recover arms and ammunition stolen the previous December from Ft William and Mary in Portsmouth harbor NH.
I would consider it an honor to aid in protecting your new stash .
In fact, I know a nice State Park where you could hide some of it.
It even has ammo bunkers . ;D
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Yes, it is theft of the Kings arms govt property.
But it would be a righteous act .
Remember, our first Revolution was triggered by the authorities trying to recover arms and ammunition stolen the previous December from Ft William and Mary in Portsmouth harbor NH.
I would consider it an honor to aid in protecting your new stash .
In fact, I know a nice State Park where you could hide some of it.
It even has ammo bunkers . ;D
I'm calling it a TAX REFUND
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Are they 100% positive they are containers of ammunition? I doubt it.
We used 20 and 40 ft containers to load our deployment gear into to move it from home station to whereever the boat was ported ie North Island to Bremerton. We also had a couple for permanent storage at the hangar. My friends Army unit to rotations at National Training Center and deployments to Haiti and other tropical and sandy places with all thier gear in 20 ft containers. The current "barracks" in Iraq and Afghanistan are/were 40ftrs with a door and a small window.
Another thing to consider is Brevard County is home to Kennedy Space Center and Patrick AFB, along with a Northrop Grumman facility. There is a lot of Space Shuttle and ballistic missile equiment that is currently being dismantled and transported to various locations for disposal and reuse. There are a lot of UAV ground stations being built out of containers too.
Weather station in Alaska that started as a 20 ft container
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll290/djs_ank_ak/Volcanoes/c-band1.jpg)
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Fire Finder artillery radars are also contained in 20 Ft containers .
At least the prototypes were back in the 70's .
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Last summer when we were at Fort Benning they had thousands of them sitting around. When the units are deployed or return they ship all the gear in them.
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I wish the entire arms and ammunition industry would make an announcement that there will be no further sales to the government and or law enforcement, until they stop with all of this freedom robbing nonsense. If Randy Barrett did it to California, they can as well, to the entire Federal government. They are backlogged enough with civilian sales to hold them over. Colt, FN, Beretta, along with the ammunition manufacturers could bring them to their begging knees. Hussein does what he wants. The rest of the country needs to do the same. This dog and pony show is getting ridiculous with these stupid "hearings". They only hear what they want. Now they're parading Gifford's around like a starving dog with a broken leg, in order to get sympathy for their freedom robbing, communist cause. Where the hell was she 6 months ago?
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Is it bad of me to think:
Giffords was shot in the HEAD. Most of us wouldn't survive that. Not only did she survive, but she is back to work in Congress! Although didn't she change parties to Democrat? Proof that Congress members have no brain, no spine, no heart. etc.
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Is it bad of me to think:
Giffords was shot in the HEAD. Most of us wouldn't survive that. Not only did she survive, but she is back to work in Congress! Although didn't she change parties to Democrat? Proof that Congress members have no brain, no spine, no heart. etc.
Not only that but she was sohot with a pistol not an "assault weapon."
Survival rates of pistol wounds are pretty high, even head shots. They tend to dump energy pretty quickly when hitting bone.
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The bullet that hit Giffords went all the way through her brain and came out the other side.
I think she was a Democrat all along.
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The bullet that hit Giffords went all the way through her brain and came out the other side.
I think she was a Democrat all along.
Gaby was a Democrat before the incident.
She was even more of a Democrat after she lost a significant portion of her gray matter.
Before, she was pretty solidly pro-2-A.
After, not so much.
I wish her no ill will, and I am saddened that she has been so damaged by a madman. But, surviving a head-shot gives her no greater authority to speak of restricting my rights.
In point of fact, it seems she may be less able to comprehend the intent of the Second, and it is unconscionable that she would be paraded about in this misguided effort to deprive lawful gun owners of our rights.
Crusader
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Damn billt, could you imagine the panic if they pulled a Ronnie Barrett, (suspended all .50 BMG sales to California LEO's) and just said "all gov't ammo contracts, except to active military, sales are postponed till further notice".....
Oh I would love it.... ;D
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Damn billt, could you imagine the panic if they pulled a Ronnie Barrett, (suspended all .50 BMG sales to California LEO's) and just said "all gov't ammo contracts, except to active military, sales are postponed till further notice".....
Oh I would love it.... ;D
As would I. The government produces nothing. It takes money from us for them to buy things that WE manufacture. This would teach them that lesson very quickly.
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Gaby was a Democrat before the incident.
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I wish her no ill will, and I am saddened that she has been so damaged by a madman. But, surviving a head-shot gives her no greater authority to speak of restricting my rights.
In point of fact, it seems she may be less able to comprehend the intent of the Second, and it is unconscionable that she would be paraded about in this misguided effort to deprive lawful gun owners of our rights.
Crusader
Thank you!!
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Hey, back to the original post. Why is DHS purchasing all this ammo?
I'm asking a serious question. It has me spooked. Enough ammo to plant five rounds in every man, woman, and child in the US.
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/
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They're REALLY bad shots?
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Hey, back to the original post. Why is DHS purchasing all this ammo?
I'm asking a serious question. It has me spooked. Enough ammo to plant five rounds in every man, woman, and child in the US.
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/
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I don't have any use for Infowars, I've never found them to be reliable, and this is a good example.
The sensational headline says DHS bought sh!t load of ammo.
But in the article it says, "A solicitation posted yesterday".
In other words they haven't bought squat , they are shopping for potential future purchases .
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Damn billt, could you imagine the panic if they pulled a Ronnie Barrett, (suspended all .50 BMG sales to California LEO's) and just said "all gov't ammo contracts, except to active military, sales are postponed till further notice".....
Oh I would love it.... ;D
This is getting kind of close. Only sell the cops the same stuff that is available to civilians.
Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/breaking-larue-tactical-plans-to-limit-law-enforcement-sales-to-civilian-standards/
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The containers pictured are shipping containers the feds purchased, they meet all the requirements for air transport. My task force has about 8 of them, we use them to store rescue equipment or used for a quick deployment by air. The reason folks are seeing numerous containers in areas is the feds made them available to agencies (Fed./State & local) at a reduced price to be used for what ever their needs are.
I don't rember who said they would take bolt cutters to gain access, all I can say is have fun with that - they are a very secure container and gaining access other than using a K-12 saw or torches would be a difficult task. Just my two cents.
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The containers pictured are shipping containers the feds purchased, they meet all the requirements for air transport. My task force has about 8 of them, we use them to store rescue equipment or used for a quick deployment by air. The reason folks are seeing numerous containers in areas is the feds made them available to agencies (Fed./State & local) at a reduced price to be used for what ever their needs are.
I don't rember who said they would take bolt cutters to gain access, all I can say is have fun with that - they are a very secure container and gaining access other than using a K-12 saw or torches would be a difficult task. Just my two cents.
Thanks for the advice ;D
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I don't have any use for Infowars, I've never found them to be reliable, and this is a good example.
The sensational headline says DHS bought sh!t load of ammo.
But in the article it says, "A solicitation posted yesterday".
In other words they haven't bought squat , they are shopping for potential future purchases .
Good feedback about Infowars. I found another source, too.
http://www.businessinsider.com/dhs-fletc-ammunition-purchases-750-million-200-million-40-caliber-rounds-2013-1
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Good feedback about Infowars. I found another source, too.
http://www.businessinsider.com/dhs-fletc-ammunition-purchases-750-million-200-million-40-caliber-rounds-2013-1
Infowars may be OK for heads up type stuff, but I would not trust them with out verification like you found.
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I don't have any use for Infowars, I've never found them to be reliable, and this is a good example.
The sensational headline says DHS bought sh!t load of ammo.
But in the article it says, "A solicitation posted yesterday".
In other words they haven't bought squat , they are shopping for potential future purchases .
Tom is right here. If you take into account the amount of people employed by the Dept. Of Homeland Security, the F.B.I., A.T.F., and D.E.A., who carry duty weapons, then divide that number into the amount of ammunition these agencies are purchasing, the amount per individual isn't that great. I'm betting members of this forum have more stockpiled if you employ a, "rounds per person" direct comparison.
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Tom is right here. If you take into account the amount of people employed by the Dept. Of Homeland Security, the F.B.I., A.T.F., and D.E.A., who carry duty weapons, then divide that number into the amount of ammunition these agencies are purchasing, the amount per individual isn't that great. I'm betting members of this forum have more stockpiled if you employ a, "rounds per person" direct comparison.
Also, along those lines it takes a couple years to get a major solicitation through the approval process, so this RFP is for delivery in 2014-15 or even later.
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billt,
See your point, as many employees in DHS, FBI, ATF and DEA that don't carry still undergo annual live fire weapons training in preparation for deployments to dangerous areas. Those people chew up a good bit of ammo themselves. But with so much ammo on order at one time, supply control is paramount and prices for the same civilian counterpart ammo goes up (not that that would be the intended objective of our federal government).
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But with so much ammo on order at one time, supply control is paramount and prices for the same civilian counterpart ammo goes up (not that that would be the intended objective of our federal government).
the funny thing is, creating a shortage is the best way to increase demand for a product. the more the feds" try to tighten their grip the more star systems that will slip through their fingers..."