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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on January 30, 2013, 10:48:35 AM
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Sen. Schumer, during a hearing on preventing gun violence, is saying that the "gun show loophole" is a true loophole. He claims that FFL's can sell as a private citizen at a gun show and not do background checks.
I call BS, but that is nothing new.
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Saying Shumer lies is about as profound as saying the sun comes up in the East .
He's an anti gun NY Democrat, you expect him to both, know what he's talking about, AND tell the truth ?
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He's not the only one, "DICK" Durban said 92% of guns used in crimes are not bought in Chicago. Well it would have to be 100% because there are no gun shops in Chicago.
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Chuck-you Schumer lied?
I'm shocked,shocked I tell you!
Crusader
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Much like Feinstein saying that pushing in the collapsible stock on an AR-15 converts it to full-auto.
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Much like Feinstein saying that pushing in the collapsible stock on an AR-15 converts it to full-auto.
Really!
I'm tall enough that I have never collapsed mine all the way. Thank you Mrs. Feindstein for letting me know that I have a Class 3 firearm for bargain basement pricing!
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Really!
I'm tall enough that I have never collapsed mine all the way. Thank you Mrs. Feindstein for letting me know that I have a Class 3 firearm for bargain basement pricing!
I tried it. It didn't work. :(
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Damn...guess I'll scratch that off the 'to do' list.
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To reply with out snark to m58's original post .
The licensed dealers can set me straight if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that every gun an FFL holder "sells" has to be run through his books with details of source and destination .
Even if it comes from his personal collection .
(I don't know if he can enter it as "from personal collection" or if he has to go back to "inherited from Uncle Bert" )
Anything sold from his recorded inventory, the stuff in the book, has to have a NICS check.
I may be wrong, but as I said, my understanding is that if you are an FFL you no longer have the right to make a "private sale" of any fire arm you own.
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Tom, do you really think they care what's true? They're like the drug warriors who claim "A million dollars in street value" or "One hit and you're hooked". Its all hollywood. Sad thing is its easier to sell a sexy easy lie than a boring complicated truth. :'(
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Tom, do you really think they care what's true? They're like the drug warriors who claim "A million dollars in street value" or "One hit and you're hooked". Its all hollywood. Sad thing is its easier to sell a sexy easy lie than a boring complicated truth. :'(
You miss understand FQ.
My post was simply to confirm that m58 was correct in calling BS on it.
You are also 100% correct in stating that a simply phrased lie will have more impact than a truth that will not fit in a sound byte.
That is why we have to adopt the Alinsky tactic of making our statements short, simple, and personal .
Guns save lives, more guns less crime, Use 'em or lose 'em From my cold dead hand.
It gets the point across with out taxing the limited attention span of the average voter.
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FQ, don't mess with bogan!!!
Even when we agree we disagree, so when we agree and agree it is a very fragile situation and don't need no edumacated egg heads screwing with it ;)
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;D ROFL
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To reply with out snark to m58's original post .
The licensed dealers can set me straight if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that every gun an FFL holder "sells" has to be run through his books with details of source and destination .
Even if it comes from his personal collection .
(I don't know if he can enter it as "from personal collection" or if he has to go back to "inherited from Uncle Bert" )
Anything sold from his recorded inventory, the stuff in the book, has to have a NICS check.
I may be wrong, but as I said, my understanding is that if you are an FFL you no longer have the right to make a "private sale" of any fire arm you own.
Not entirely correct. Any firearm that is logged into a dealers Bound Book, must have a NICS check (there are NFA exceptions & transfers to other dealers) completed before it is transferred. A dealer may take in a firearm, & transfer it to himself, it then becomes a part of his personal collection. These firearms can be dispose of as he sees fit, but if possession is LESS than 1 year, it must be transferred after a NICS. Anything transferred after 1 year, no NICS is required. Also, they are supposed to have an acquisition & disposition book separately, for these items.
Basically, they don't want people transferring firearms to themselves & then to others, trying to avoid the NICS. If held for a year, it is considered personal.
Brian
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bjtraz,
Is it true that if an FFL's personal firearms are stored with their logged "sale items" they fall under the same rules as the logged items:
If I am an FFL, and I have my personal firearms in the safe in the shop portion of my license location my personal firearms become part of the business.
Understand what I'm asking ???
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bjtraz,
Is it true that if an FFL's personal firearms are stored with their logged "sale items" they fall under the same rules as the logged items:
If I am an FFL, and I have my personal firearms in the safe in the shop portion of my license location my personal firearms become part of the business.
Understand what I'm asking ???
I'm curious about this as well a couple of the Class III dealers around here have odd stuff on display with the merchandise but with tags saying "Not for sale",or "Display only Owners collection"