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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on February 02, 2013, 02:18:41 PM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucerogers/2013/02/01/nra-winning-the-influence-battle-over-gun-control/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucerogers/2013/02/01/nra-winning-the-influence-battle-over-gun-control/)
Forbes says we are winning the gun control fight now. That things are swinging our way. I find this to be a good source of data and breakdown. My perusing says it's true... JOIN OR DIE ...
There is an interesting graphic on that website link and a bit of dialogue showing the top 25 influential entities or persons. We are grossly outnumbered but our GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS like the NRA are beginning to turn the tide of this battle away from "damn the guns full speed ahead" though the battle IS NOT OVER. Hey, we are the people and they are with us...we need to be firm with our friends, neighbors, acquaintances and whoever we casually meet during the day...we are not going away, we are not the problem and the damned politicians are lying for a reason.
Another interesting fact, LIKE WE DID NOT KNOW THAT ALREADY, is that the REPUBLICANS are not supporting us and there is a lone REPUBLICAN VOICE in the top 25 list of GOV CHRISTIE who is plugging us in the arse using sleight of hand to improve his political standing so on the net-net side of things the REPUBLICANS are no help at all. This shows us that the NATIONAL REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP needs to be changed that they have no respect for us at all.
WHICH SAYS WE ARE STANDING ALONE with our ORGANIZATIONS like GOA, NRA, etc. We must gain a political coherence and stronghold in both the Democratic and Republican parties and get some actual solid unwavering support from some vocal politicians who will unite as a block.
SO, NO MONEY TO THE DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, ETC. right now and let your local Washington politician know why (like the Democrats and RINO Republicans don't already know....). ALL OUR MONEY to gun rights organization like GOA, NRA, etc. until we have a NATIONAL VOICE of support from DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS who will represent us as a political block.
The battle is not over, it is just being enjoined. Send a buck to the GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION OF YOUR CHOICE AND GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL POLITICS TO BEGIN TO TRULY INFLUENCE POLITICS AT THE TOP.
We can do better.
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ALL OUR MONEY to gun rights organization like GOA, NRA, etc. until we have a NATIONAL VOICE of support from DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS who will represent us as a political block.
The battle is not over, it is just being enjoined. Send a buck to the GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION OF YOUR CHOICE AND GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL POLITICS TO BEGIN TO TRULY INFLUENCE POLITICS AT THE TOP.
We can do better.
Yep.
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Another interesting fact, LIKE WE DID NOT KNOW THAT ALREADY, is that the REPUBLICANS are not supporting us and there is a lone REPUBLICAN VOICE in the top 25 list of GOV CHRISTIE who is plugging us in the arse using sleight of hand to improve his political standing so on the net-net side of things the REPUBLICANS are no help at all. This shows us that the NATIONAL REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP needs to be changed that they have no respect for us at all.
To say that we, as gun owners, have no support from Republicans is simply not true. As posted elsewhere on this Forum, I watched as Republican Senators Grassley, Sessions, Graham, Cornyn, and Cruz all spoke very forcefully against current legislative proposals to infringe upon our 2A rights. During the hearing conducted on January 30, these Republicans made strong and convincing statements in defense of Americans' RKBA. These Senators are members of the Senate Judiciary Committee and play a critical role in determining which proposals make it to the floor of the Senate for a general vote. While the politics of these men on other issues may be viewed more critically, their stance on the 2A is not in doubt.
I fully and wholeheartedly support my Texas Republican representation in Washington, D.C. Subjective scoring, provided by third-parties such as Appinions cited in the article, is suspect unless you understand the formula behind the scores. Each of us should determine for ourselves whether or not we support our Congressional representation by analyzing their statements, legislative sponsorships, and voting record.
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To say that we, as gun owners, have no support from Republicans is simply not true. <snip>
There was no implication that some individual Republicans are not supporting us. We both agree on that and may differ on what the Republican Party is doing for us on the 2nd Amendment. I'm plugged in only at a low level, but clearly the stench of compromise plagues Republican leadership.
It is very clear we have no meaningful coherent support from the national Republican party. The Republican party is not an advocate for us...they put up more of a fight to "save the economy" by lining the pockets of wealthy brokerage house CEO's economic "houses of cards" with public funds then to support us. The support we receive on a national basis from the Republican party is reluctant at best. I know I have good support from Oklahoma Senators and some Congressman...but not across the board organized support as they have headwinds within the party urging them to hush and not to speak out boldly. A local Repub pol was bemoaning to me the other day about how terrible it was that the state Republican party was pushed into open carry...boo, hoo, hoo, the compromising upwardly mobile little weasel who thought that Romney was the conservative savior.
Full backing national support, it just is not there. Period. On a national basis all the effort is little more than to not lose our votes...key insight here...only what they need to not lose support. Conservative have been played like that for some time by the national Republicans...which is why there is a Tea Party.
Leadership is not holding one's peace to avoid drawing attention...that strategy is one we have had to fight tooth and toenail since 1968 with local initiatives (most notably concealed carry) to regain the heart of America. There was an NRA revolution over that in 1977 in Cincinnati to strike down appeasement and accommodation for the failure that it was. Only an uncompromising defense of the 2nd Amendment by being aggressive has retained and regained what we have today.
Compromise is failure. The RINO Republicans are deluded....but then they profit and gain whether they win or lose and then, "Aw shucks, we tried , you can't blame us."
JOIN OR DIE as that flag so aptly states. We cannot allow the slightest hope that anyone may harbor that "We can hide and save our hunting guns by hiding from the debate." to exist within our ranks. Hold one's peace tactically for a strategic aim certainly...but to strategically hold one's peace as a useful goal serves only the motivated foe.
The national Republican focus for 2nd Amendment support is appeasement and accommodation. This cannot be allowed. Clearly I advocate working from the bottom up to make changes at the top in the Republican party and, when necessary because of who is elected in one's area, work to make change in the Democratic party. This is an asymmetrical battle where we support our national GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS as well as our grass roots Washington representatives and that support which is political through our elected officials must be based upon uncompromising defense of the 2nd Amendment and not appeasement and accommodation which the national Republican party supports.
And so if anyone here thinks that we should strategically (as opposed to tactically) try to stay out of the limelight you can have that opinion freely. I will always disagree freely. However, for this battle we must JOIN OR DIE so that the direction this battle takes is not one that progressively weakens gun ownership. We have that model in England, Austrailia, etc...we must not follow the model of appeasement and compromise...that model ALWAYS FAILS.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
-William Pitt, British prime-minister (1759-1806)
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Numbers of individual Republicans , such as my own Sen. Kelly Ayotte, are firmly on our side .
The Party however is drifting, lost in shellshock over the last election .
Hold the individuals feet to the fire because the Party leadership are willing to sell their Mothers to gain votes will just makes them appear pathetic.
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Chris Christie has turned out to be just another self-important politician that will do whatever he deems necessary to save his fat political azz.
A real disappointment as Ann Coulter was ready to bear his children at one point in time.
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Christie was never worth a crap on guns.
Now he's been openly bought with "disaster relief" funds .
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Chris Christie has turned out to be just another self-important politician that will do whatever he deems necessary to save his fat political azz. <snip>
Christie was never worth a crap on guns.
Now he's been openly bought with "disaster relief" funds .
Christie was one of the top 25 influences in this fight...and a negative influence he is. Christie is emblematic of the national Republican Party, a RINO who symbolizes what is wrong about the Republican party that reeks of compromise, appeasement and accommodation. Now I think I must go spit.
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Christie was one of the top 25 influences in this fight...and a negative influence he is. Christie is emblematic of the national Republican Party, a RINO who symbolizes what is wrong about the Republican party that reeks of compromise, appeasement and accommodation. Now I think I must go spit.
Rather than compromise, we need to go on the attack. For example, start talking about repealing or overturning elements of the the 1984 gun control act, one by one
And as I said to my new, lovely wife, Republicans and Democrats are 2 sides of the same corruption.
DC in particular needs an high-colonic! And the gene pool in this country needs chlorine!!
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Rather than compromise, we need to go on the attack. For example, start talking about repealing or overturning elements of the the 1984 gun control act, one by one
And as I said to my new, lovely wife, Republicans and Democrats are 2 sides of the same corruption.
DC in particular needs an high-colonic! And the gene pool in this country needs chlorine!!
I agree, we need to rock the antis back on thear heels. We stay on the defense too much. We need to push for abolishing the NFA and every other anti 2nd Amendment law. I feel we have had our rughts infringed upon too much already. I was speaking to a friend of mine the other day about this. He asked me if the 2nd A ment that we should own full auto. I said yes, what ever the goverbment has, we should be allowed to have short of nukes. How else can we put down an out of control tyrant?
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I agree, we need to rock the antis back on thear heels. We stay on the defense too much. We need to push for abolishing the NFA and every other anti 2nd Amendment law. I feel we have had our rughts infringed upon too much already. I was speaking to a friend of mine the other day about this. He asked me if the 2nd A ment that we should own full auto. I said yes, what ever the goverbment has, we should be allowed to have short of nukes. How else can we put down an out of control tyrant?
Grew up in the Free State of Livingston about 60 miles NW of New Orleans. You must be down around Houma???? I got to go redfishing out of Dulac last year.....didn't work out too well, but it was good to get out.
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Grew up in the Free State of Livingston about 60 miles NW of New Orleans. You must be down around Houma???? I got to go redfishing out of Dulac last year.....didn't work out too well, but it was good to get out.
Yea, I'm in Lockport. The Redfishing is good down here for sure. I'm From Alabama but been here 15 years now. Plan on staying a long time because the economy is still OK here.
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Oh yeah. I've been through there a lot of times on the way to Grand Isle.
Which side of the bayou? We used to drive down on the east side to avoid traffic.....but that was in the 70's. I still have scars from Honda 90 ATC with the balloon tires....the fenders used to ride the tires and the beach scan would sharpen up the edges razor sharp....I still carry a scar from rolling one and nearly getting gutted.
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I agree, we need to rock the antis back on thear heels. We stay on the defense too much. We need to push for abolishing the NFA and every other anti 2nd Amendment law. I feel we have had our rughts infringed upon too much already. I was speaking to a friend of mine the other day about this. He asked me if the 2nd A ment that we should own full auto. I said yes, what ever the goverbment has, we should be allowed to have short of nukes. How else can we put down an out of control tyrant?
No more defending what's left.
It's time to start taking back what's ours.
With the way gun sales and permit applications have been going since 08 I think we have the public support for a show down.
You mention "an out of control tyrant", many anti's make comments about "Oh, you think your little pop gun can take on a tank" (referring to the AR 15 they just got done comparing to Zeus's thunderbolts ).
I like to point out that the Afghans did pretty well against the Russians and the Syrian's don't seem to be having to much trouble.
Then I point out that the guys who have served in tanks aren't saying anything. ;D
The fact is that with knowledge and imagination all it takes to kill tanks is planning and guts.
Get them into built up areas, or tight terrain, and they are no longer so all powerful use small arms to pin down their infantry support and you can cripple a tank with something as simple as a crow bar jammed in the sprocket.
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Oh yeah. I've been through there a lot of times on the way to Grand Isle.
Which side of the bayou? We used to drive down on the east side to avoid traffic.....but that was in the 70's. I still have scars from Honda 90 ATC with the balloon tires....the fenders used to ride the tires and the beach scan would sharpen up the edges razor sharp....I still carry a scar from rolling one and nearly getting gutted.
I'm on the west side of bayou Lafourche. The LA 1 side. Oh and thear is no more riding on the beaches. Katrine killed that. Then the oil spill still has some closed even to foot traffic. Red fishing is still good near Port Fourchon and up to Golden Medow.
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No more defending what's left.
It's time to start taking back what's ours.
With the way gun sales and permit applications have been going since 08 I think we have the public support for a show down.
You mention "an out of control tyrant", many anti's make comments about "Oh, you think your little pop gun can take on a tank" (referring to the AR 15 they just got done comparing to Zeus's thunderbolts ).
I like to point out that the Afghans did pretty well against the Russians and the Syrian's don't seem to be having to much trouble.
Then I point out that the guys who have served in tanks aren't saying anything. ;D
The fact is that with knowledge and imagination all it takes to kill tanks is planning and guts.
Get them into built up areas, or tight terrain, and they are no longer so all powerful use small arms to pin down their infantry support and you can cripple a tank with something as simple as a crow bar jammed in the sprocket.
I don't think it will get that far, at least I hope not. One thing that worries me is that this administration is real good at using diversions. While we focus on our gun rights, they are up to no good somewhere else. They are sneaking something else through right now I bet. Another thing I think about is when these other countries had uprisings this admin. always supported the rebels. Saying the leaders had to go because the people wanted them out. What would they do if the American people told our leaders to get out. Do you think they would pack thear things and bow out? Hell no!
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Golden Meadow....speed trap USA. The only possibility of driving through safely without a ticket 20-30 years ago was to drive through at 5 MPH under....and sometimes that wasn't good enough if you were an oilfield worker passing through. I used to have some wells at the mouth of Belle River and the last battery before the GOM on the west. Certain times of the year you could cast a net from office or battery and catch prawns like crazy. Great fishing there but the last time I was there was 2005. I have a cousin preaching in Grand Isle right now.
They'll use the tanks like wrecking balls on civilian homes for intimidation and then we'll see if the populace caves or not...it probably will. I wouldn't want to be in one of those tin cans in my own country knowing I had to come out at some point in time....I'd dang sure not carry any ID that would follow me back to where I grew up or lived and who I was related to. There is bound to be somebody mad enough to backtrack if anything like that ever happened.
Regardless, the RINO's are not doing us a favor to stay somewhat on thread.