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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Frosty on February 10, 2013, 11:46:38 PM
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The link wouldn't post so I copied and pasted the article found on examiner.com. I really wonder what he will do next, I love my country but fear my President/Government. Sorry photos didn't post but yup, they have no bolts!
Disabled Marine rifles at inauguration signal shift in administration policy.
USMC
February 9, 2013
By: David Codrea
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Protocol prohibits flipping them off -- at least in a way the public will notice. Marines march to honor the president, who honors them in return by requiring them to march with clubs.
Note there are plenty of ‘trusted’ guns surrounding the president.
“Didn't know the Marines had to take the bolts out of their rifles for the Inaugural,” an email forwarded to Gun Rights Examiner from a United States Marine Corps source observed. “Wonder if someone can explain why [they] would be marching in the inaugural parade with no bolts in their rifles!”
The email linked to a YouTube video of the 57th Presidential Inaugural Parade, embedded in this column, featuring Bravo Company Marines from the Marine Barracks Washington. Sure enough, the observation in the email is confirmed by watching the video, with screen shots provided in the photo and slide show accompanying this article.
This prompted an internet search to see if others had also noticed, and the Blur-Brain blog had.
“The bolts have been removed from the rifles rendering them unable to fire a round,” the post stated. “Apparently Obama’s Secret Service doesn’t trust the USMC. Simply searching each guy to make sure he didn’t have a live round hidden on him wasn’t enough, they had to make sure the guns were inoperable.
Wondering if this may be an inauguration policy of long standing that transcends administrations, Gun Rights Examiner made a cursory search and found something even more curious. In the 2009 Inaugural Parade, the United States Navy marched with rifles that had not been so disabled (see 1:24 into that video plus the final slide).
This raises the question of why the administration felt it necessary to make this change now, particularly with concerns being raised about military involvement in domestic affairs, litmus tests on top brass willingness to fire on American citizens alleged by a heretofore prominent and credible Nobel Prize nominee, a "terrorism" policy that allows for assassinating Americans without due process, rising concerns over deployment of domestic drones, and publicized opposition among many in the USMC to presidential policies such as women in combat, as well as having been the most resistant military branch to ending “don’t ask, don’t tell.”
Add to this concerns over administration agencies buying up ammunition in massive quantities, the renewed destruction of expended military ammunition brass in contravention of the Defense Appropriations Act, and Obama’s post-election confidence in dropping the mask on his previously “under the radar” citizen disarmament plans, and the change becomes another piece that fits in a puzzle that’s forming an increasingly disturbing picture.
Unsurprisingly, a Google news feed search finds no reports on inaugural Marine disarmament in the “Authorized Journalist” media. Chances are, most of them aren’t qualified to notice such things, and that it doesn’t serve the agenda of those who are to point such things out.
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Marines Support the 57th Presidential Inaugural Parade
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So, let's put a little perspective on this...
Say you are the Prez, and your party hierarchy has publicly stated as a matter of policy that the very same Marines who are marching in your parade will become suspected terrorists upon the completion of their enlistment.
Now, seriously, are you going to want suspected terrorist apprentices handling actual firearms.
This may just be the first thing Odamna has done that makes any sense.
I weep for my country,
Crusader Rabbit
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Is there a link to the pics?
Certain Ceremonial Gaurd units use M1903s, which would have an obvious bolt in most pictures, while others use M1 Garands, that depending on the angle and from a distance could be confused as an M1903 with the bolt removed.
Also dummy weapons without bolts is almost mandatory form ceremonial units since they typically weigh less are easier to maintain. Unless they are doing a routine, there is no need for an actual bolt in the weapon.
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It has been policy for some time to prohibit armed troops from getting anywhere near "His Wonness" Obama I.
Guess they remember what happened to Sadat.
It's funny, the evil "W" never had to worry about that .
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Is there a link to the pics?
Certain Ceremonial Gaurd units use M1903s, which would have an obvious bolt in most pictures, while others use M1 Garands, that depending on the angle and from a distance could be confused as an M1903 with the bolt removed.
Also dummy weapons without bolts is almost mandatory form ceremonial units since they typically weigh less are easier to maintain. Unless they are doing a routine, there is no need for an actual bolt in the weapon.
Try this - http://wp.me/p1zsyr-4Dw (http://wp.me/p1zsyr-4Dw)
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I once did extensive research into military ceremony for information concerning the "21 gun salute." It is amazing the fiction out there, even within our own military organizations:
Did you know that the reason for 21 is because if you add up the digits in 1776 you get 21?
Then how do explain that this salute was used in the 16th century?
Dumbed down, the reason for the "21 gun salute" is to show your opponent that your arms are empty - unloaded, during a time of mourning or other ceasefire. It is the only time our military is to be in ceremony with unloaded firearms. This has been expanded to drill teams due to the safety issues with using a firearm as an ornament in display.
My research would support that Marines in parade with disabled firearms is incorrect.
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Every member of the Armed Forces took the same oath the vets and active duty troops among us took to defend the Constitution and country from enemies, but foreign and domestic.
It is likely the Administration has concern that members of the military might take that oath literally and seriously.
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Did you know that the reason for 21 is because if you add up the digits in 1776 you get 21?
Then how do explain that this salute was used in the 16th century?
Not to mention that the 21 gun salute is used worldwide and most countries don't recognize 1776 as having any significance.
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Not to mention that the 21 gun salute is used worldwide and most countries don't recognize 1776 as having any significance.
Tell many in your local VFW or American Legion yours or mine and you will be buying beers to end the fight you started ???
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Gun salutes from ships originated from , as M58 says, showing the guns were empty by firing and not reloading.
Also, different individuals and events get a different number of guns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_salute#United_States
It may be noted that the "Presidential" 21 gun salute is not SUPPOSED to be aimed at the reviewing stand. ;D
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In 1995 I was one of the Soldiers that participated in the End of the War in the Pacific ceremony in Hawaii. All rifles had bolts removed and the officers had their M9s zip tied in the barrels. This was when another left politician was in office.
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Tell many in your local VFW or American Legion yours or mine and you will be buying beers to end the fight you started ???
I'm guessing by your statement that you speak from personal experience. ;D
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When we moved back out here a friend of the wife's came down and we went to Arlington for Memorial Day. As W was leaving they started the salute. We were downhill and Gayle mentioned they were saluting the President. The youngest was scared and aske "Why are they shooting AT the President??!!"
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I'm guessing by your statement that you speak from personal experience. ;D
I am, and another experience has to do with a funeral pall:
The only item you can place on an American Flag is a Religious Pall. Try covering the flag with a pall in a church sometime. However, I enjoy pointing out that between this point of recognized (officially) flag etiquette and the Pledge as currently approved that we are a nation under God. There are many churches that are as bad as the freedom from religion organization when it comes to relationships between the church and government.
Many funeral directors will avoid this situation, but as an educator I make sure our Pastors understand, and I explain to the families how it will go. If anybody questions I show them the code and explain. We get a bad name for "selling" people on things, but I always stress that the majority of my job is nothing more than educating and letting you choose.
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If I remember correctly the only time the military flies anything higher than the National Colors is on Sunday's when the "religious service pennant" ( It's been over 30 years, I forget the technical name for it ) is at the top of the flag pole and the color's beneath it.
Getting back on topic, this is why Obama want's to strengthen DHS, he knows that his gaggle of communists and Muslims can not depend on actual Patriotic sort of people who would enlist in the military.
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Frost wrote this as the OP:
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Wondering if this may be an inauguration policy of long standing that transcends administrations, Gun Rights Examiner made a cursory search and found something even more curious. In the 2009 Inaugural Parade, the United States Navy marched with rifles that had not been so disabled (see 1:24 into that video plus the final slide)....
Bear with me for a second folks as I do a little story telling...
I was at the Air Force Academy from 1990 to 1994. For Basic Cadet Training we were issued M1 Garands. After BCT, we turned those rifles back in. Then maybe a month before Recognition we were again issued M1 Garand rifles. All of them had been de-milled by having a steel rod welded inside the chamber area. There were a few incidents of cadets committing suicide with them back in the 60's or 70's, so that's why they all had those rods welded inside them. Otherwise the whole exterior of the gun remained the same and functioned normally.
I went back in 2004 for my 10 year class reunion. IIRC, all of the cadets were issued M14s. I didn't look closely, but I ASSumed they were all de-milled as well using the same process. The other sister service academies send a select few of their cadets or midshipman to USAFA the fall semester of their junior years. I did get a pretty good look at the squids's uniforms.
So from the pics I have seen elsewhere of these navy personnel marching with rifles, their uniforms look consistent with midshipman exchange cadets I had seen.
So, yes, I think those were Annapolis midshipman who were marching with M14's that had been de-milled the same way as my M1 Garand.
In other words, much ado about nothing.
a mountain out of a molehill.
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I was all set to go off on Tyler for that "ridiculous" comment about them being "Navy Cadets".
But I went back and looked at the picture.
1 No rank insignia on any of them
2 No red piping on the Uniforms
3 No red stripe on the legs of ANY of them so no Sgt's or above
4 No USMC emblems on the covers.
5, It may be the angle of the photo but the rifles appear not to all be at the same angle.
My conclusion is that those are not Marines although the uniform is similar to the Marine dress Blues.
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Plus, with Annapolis being kinda close to DC, you got 4,000 midshipman "window dressing" at your disposal to spruce up any military like parade. The squids would probably appreciate a trip into D.C. just to break up the monotony of USNA life.
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I can't see the pics at work, but all the pics I can find of USNA Middies with rifles they are carrying M14s with the bolts in place, just no mags.
(http://www.oregonusnaparents.com/images/pl10hb.jpg)
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I was all set to go off on Tyler for that "ridiculous" comment about them being "Navy Cadets".
But I went back and looked at the picture.
1 No rank insignia on any of them
2 No red piping on the Uniforms
3 No red stripe on the legs of ANY of them so no Sgt's or above
4 No USMC emblems on the covers.
5, It may be the angle of the photo but the rifles appear not to all be at the same angle.
My conclusion is that those are not Marines although the uniform is similar to the Marine dress Blues.
Click on the link http://wp.me/p1zsyr-4Dw (http://wp.me/p1zsyr-4Dw) , when the post pops up click on the header under the pic, a distant pic of the parade shows up, click on the slide show that shows at bottom of this pic. 3 pics in you will see a Devil Dog at the back of the group - he has blood strips - Cpl or higher, the 2nd pic you can see the EGA insignia on their covers, if you look close at the3rd pic in the slide show you can also see the EGA.
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Frost wrote this as the OP:
Bear with me for a second folks as I do a little story telling...
I was at the Air Force Academy from 1990 to 1994.
I was at Ft. Carson '93-'94, E Company 1/8th 4th ID and my buddy's brother was at the Academy about the same time, graduated in '93 IIRC- Merrill was his last name.
Small world.
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I stand corrected. The video is from USMC PAO and clearly shows the Marines from B Co marching in the parade with M14s with no bolts.
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The first photo Frosty linked is clearly neither Active Navy, or Marines, in the pictures of real Marines the red piping on the Uniforms is clearly visible, while the photos of Navy cadets clearly show a Navy emblem on the cover.