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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Ichiban on February 12, 2013, 07:15:36 PM
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I like it.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/olympic-arms-stops-all-sales-to-ny-leos/#more-200867 (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/olympic-arms-stops-all-sales-to-ny-leos/#more-200867)
In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York – henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.
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Way to go !
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Good. If ammo manufacturers follow suit, there will be a swift end to this nonsense.
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Good. If ammo manufacturers follow suit, there will be a swift end to this nonsense.
Ding! Ding!
One more to the list....... That makes at least two companies that stopped doing business, and I know of one that is moving from Kalifornia to Alabama due to the political anti-gun mentality.
Hope it continues.
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If ammo makers stop, it will be just a matter of time before some one sees $$ and starts a ammo company.
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We, being the shooting community, need to remember these companies when we contemplate future purchases. Standing on principle, knowing that it will hurt sales, is a very courageous thing to do. We can show our appreciation by buying their products.
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Magpul is saying they will leave Colorado if the ban on 30 round magazines passes. I think I read somewhere they have something like 200 employees.
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Magpul is saying they will leave Colorado if the ban on 30 round magazines passes. I think I read somewhere they have something like 200 employees.
We'll see whether they do or not. Hopefully they do, and show that it can be done so companies like Beretta can get a pair and leave MD.
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It's up to 6 now, and CTD is one of them.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/15/Gun-Companies-To-State-Governments-With-Strict-Gun-Laws-No-Guns-For-You
Six gun companies have announced plans to stop selling any of their products to any government agency in states that severely limit the rights of private gun ownership.
Disappointed with New York State lawmakers and other jurisdictions around the country who have passed strict gun control legislation, the companies—composed of firearm manufacturers, gunsmiths, and sporting goods retailers—have announced these policies in the past week.
Their various statements emphasize that such laws create a class of government employees with rights and and a class of citizens without rights. Thus, they refuse to aid the enforcement of such inequality.
The announcements read:
LaRue Tactical
Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess.
Olympic Arms
Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity - will no longer be served as customers.
In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York - henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.
Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC
The Federal Government and several states have enacted gun control laws that restrict the public from owning and possessing certain types of firearms. Law-enforcement agencies are typically exempt from these restrictions. EFI, LLC does not recognize law-enforcement exemptions to local, state, and federal gun control laws. If a product that we manufacture is not legal for a private citizen to own in a jurisdiction, we will not sell that product to a law-enforcement agency in that jurisdiction.
Templar Custom
We will not sell arms to agents of the state of New York that hold themselves to be "more equal" than their citizens.
As long as the legislators of New York think they have the power to limit the rights of their citizens, in defiance of the Constitution, we at Templar will not sell them firearms to enforce their edicts.
Templar Custom is announcing that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee will no longer be served as customers.
York Arms
Based on the recent legislation in New York, we are prohibited from selling rifles and receivers to residents of New York. We have chosen to extend that prohibition to all governmental agencies associated with or located within New York. As a result we have halted sales of rifles, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers to New York governmental agencies.
Cheaper than Dirt
Recently, companies such as LaRue Tactical and Olympic Arms have announced that they will no longer sell prohibited items to government agencies and personnel in states that deny the right to own those items to civilians. It has been and will continue to be Cheaper Than Dirt’s policy to not to sell prohibited items to government agencies and/or agents in states, counties, cities, and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens. We support and encourage other companies that share in this policy.
Second Amendment activist groups Guns Save Life and Grass Roots North Carolina are currently urging big gun manufacturers Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, and Glock to halt their sales to government agencies within states that have clamped down on their residents' right to bear arms.
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Second Amendment activist groups Guns Save Life and Grass Roots North Carolina are currently urging big gun manufacturers Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, and Glock to halt their sales to government agencies within states that have clamped down on their residents' right to bear arms.
While they can ask anything, Sig and Glock have to much to loose doing that. The companies that are announcing they won't sell to NY or what have you only have state and local contracts. Sig and Glock both have federal contracts. Plus they are parts of foreign owned so if they stop honoring their federal contracts, they would soon find themselves out of the US market. Wouldn't shut them down but would suck for us. Lucky for Smith they are now wholy US owned.
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jnevis,
But what they can do is move to states that do allow sales to citizens and perhaps raise prices to government entities that infringe on citizen rights. Right now the friendly states have few and relatively small firearms industries. The AR revolution has allowed many such small manufacturers to exist, expand and now prosper. That is the threat to government tyranny that causes it to find excuses to ban such weaponry. It is not public safety, as we all know, it is government control of the means of production. Once the government achieves that then the rebellion is quashed before it starts. We have to stop looking at the trees and start considering the whole forest before it is too late.
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There's also this option.
http://cowboybyte.com/19002/print-and-fire-3d-printing-could-muzzle-new-gun-laws/
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Aside from buying from the brave supporters of the 2nd Amendment, we need to personally thank these folks.
I've sent THANK YOU emails to these businesses for what their doing.
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jnevis,
But what they can do is move to states that do allow sales to citizens and perhaps raise prices to government entities that infringe on citizen rights. Right now the friendly states have few and relatively small firearms industries. The AR revolution has allowed many such small manufacturers to exist, expand and now prosper. That is the threat to government tyranny that causes it to find excuses to ban such weaponry. It is not public safety, as we all know, it is government control of the means of production. Once the government achieves that then the rebellion is quashed before it starts. We have to stop looking at the trees and start considering the whole forest before it is too late.
Both companies are in relatively gun-friendly states so moving doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Sig is in NH which as Tom can into out is getting dumb but still isn't restricting ownership yet. Glock is in GA, definately not on the anti-gun list. Beretta is one of the few that are in anti-gun states, but also have federal contracts. They could move the operation but it would be a year or more just to get a facility, another year to get production going. Its easy to say your going to do it but you'd better be able to have production shut down for two plus years and still survive. Stopping contracts with a couple state and local agencies is much easier to absorb than actually moving operations.
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So far the biggest infringement we have faced is the new dems overturning CCW in the state house .
Constitutional carry is still on the table. so Sig, Ruger, and HK won't be going anywhere soon.
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Personally I would like other main stream makers to follow up. Brownell's as a huge online retailer then maybe a bushmaster or rock river sizes company. It doesn't have to be those companies exclusively but when large corporations start weighing in, governments look.
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Midway is in on it now.....Thanks Larry Potterfield!!
Midway: No LEO Mag and Ammo Sales Where Civilian Bans Apply
TTAG reader and Registered Nurse Lance Sauer recently received this email from MidwayUSA:
Currently, there are several parts of the country that have restrictions on civilian ownership of certain magazines or types of ammunition. Sometimes it is entire states and sometimes local municipalities pass these regulations, which I consider unconstitutional. At any rate, when we encounter these situations it has always been our policy not to sell to anyone in these areas, regardless of what law enforcement or government credentials they offer up. If the laws change and all law abiding citizens can buy these products we would be happy to sell to Law Enforcement, but not before then. Thanks for taking the time to be involved. I wish all firearms would follow your lead.
On Behalf of Larry, Thanks For Your Business,
Eric Ellingson
Contact Center Supervisor
MidwayUSA
NRA Endowment Member
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/midway-no-leo-mag-and-ammo-sales-where-civilian-bans-apply/
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The 'Rule' is easy.
If it can't be sold to an honest citizen, it can't be sold to LEO's.
As a matter of fact, since the heart of the 2nd Amendment is to insure that The People are armed in the same manner as the military, the 'Rule' should be:
If it can't be sold to an honest citizen, it can't be sold to anyone.
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Add Spike's tactical to the list.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/daniel-zimmerman/spikes-tactical-joins-list-of-government-leo-boycotters/#more-202749 (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/daniel-zimmerman/spikes-tactical-joins-list-of-government-leo-boycotters/#more-202749)
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Can we get any ammo manufacturers to follow suit?
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Can we get any ammo manufacturers to follow suit?
I will be the first to say I may be wrong on this, but I don't think the law banned any types of ammo.
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One thing I notice is that all of the companies listed probably get very little in gov't contracts. Its still good but if its only less than 10-20% of total sales they aren't missing much. I'd be REALLY impressed if I saw S&W, FN, Glock, or Sig since they have a much higher percentage of contracts with local, state, and federal Leo's.
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Since S&W did nothing in response to the restrictions in MA, I doubt very much you'll hear anything but crickets! I may be wrong..
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Makes me proud to be an American ;D
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There are tons of state and federal laws on ammo.
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There are tons of state and federal laws on ammo.
You're totally missing the point, as far as I know the only state that restricts the type of ammo you can use is NJ and that law has been in place for years.
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A few states out west ban tracers. Federally ap pistol ammo is baned.
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A few states out west ban tracers. Federally ap pistol ammo is baned.
I've helped put out enough fires at the MG range to know why that happened, but I would never mention it to an anti and they are to ignorant to know about it otherwise.
But JBet says in NJ you are not allowed to shoot some one with Hollow points.
Apparently you can own them, you just can't use them .
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Thats what I have heard as well. sadly I do understand the tracer thing. i don't like it. a couple idiots can ruin it for every one else.
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While they can ask anything, Sig and Glock have to much to loose doing that. The companies that are announcing they won't sell to NY or what have you only have state and local contracts. Sig and Glock both have federal contracts. Plus they are parts of foreign owned so if they stop honoring their federal contracts, they would soon find themselves out of the US market. Wouldn't shut them down but would suck for us. Lucky for Smith they are now wholy US owned.
Dunno about that. If Sig, Glock and Berretta were to stop selling guns and mags to NY LEOs....That would leave them issuing what? Its the ammo makers that need to follow suite as well. Winchester, Federal and Remington, sure they make a lot on LEO sales, but they wouldn't be cutting off the supplies to all states. Just make an example out of NY. They make far more selling to the civilian and military markets and those would be uneffected.
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Dunno about that. If Sig, Glock and Berretta were to stop selling guns and mags to NY LEOs....That would leave them issuing what? Its the ammo makers that need to follow suite as well. Winchester, Federal and Remington, sure they make a lot on LEO sales, but they wouldn't be cutting off the supplies to all states. Just make an example out of NY. They make far more selling to the civilian and military markets and those would be uneffected.
HK them Nazi SOB's hate civilians .
Ve must have ordnung !
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/18/nine-states-proposing-montana-like-law-challenging-federal-reach-on-gun-rights/
States across the country are trying to protect gun ownership from the long arm of Washington by proposing bills declaring that firearms made and kept within their borders are not subject to federal restrictions.
Nine states have proposed such legislation since President Obama and fellow Democrats in the Senate began trying to tighten federal gun laws in the wake of several mass shootings that occurred within months of each other.
“There’s a lot of momentum,” Montana activist Gary Marbut told FoxNews.com on Monday.
Marbut was behind the original Firearms Freedom Act, which says the Commerce Clause allowing Congress to regulate inter-state commerce does not apply to the in-state manufacturing, selling and ownership of firearms. Montana passed the bill in 2009.
Since then, a host of other states have tried to pass copycat legislation. Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Washington have proposed such legislation since January -- following the Dec. 14, 2012, shooting in which 20 first-graders and six adults were killed inside a Newtown, Conn., elementary school.
However, Montana's legislation is hardly settled law. Shortly after the law passed in his state, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives wrote Marbut to say federal law still supersedes.
Marbut acknowledges he wrote the legislation to set up a legal challenge and “roll back a half a century of bad precedent.”
The bill is scheduled to finally get its day in court when the Ninth Circuit begins oral arguments March 4. Marbut expects to lose in the liberal-leaning court, which includes San Francisco, Seattle and Portland, Ore. But he thinks such a decision will put him in a better position to appeal to the country’s highest court.
“The mood of the country is right for the Supreme Court to consider what I think is a great mistake,” said Marbut.
Marbut, a shooting-range supplier, says existing big-name gun manufacturers are “not players” in the case because they have a nationwide market regulated by federal law. However, small upstart companies including gunsmiths and mom-and-pop operations would likely be able to make and sell guns within states, if the courts rule in his favor.
“Making firearms is not rocket science,” Marbut said.
The proposals have gotten plenty of pushback. State Democratic Rep. Robyn Driscoll criticized the Montana legislature for passing the law at the time, telling The Wall Street Journal a couple years ago that lawmakers wouldn’t support funding for education or women’s clinics but passed “this blatantly unconstitutional bill to pay for a Supreme Court fight.”
Montana passed the law at a time when gun control still was not widely discussed on Capitol Hill. Now, Obama and Senate Democrats have proposed legislation that essentially calls for a universal background check for potential gun buyers and re-instituting a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
While the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights advocacy groups have mounted their opposition based largely on the Second Amendment right to bear arms, Marbut is focused on the 10th Amendment that focuses more on the limits of federal power.
Eight states including Montana, Arizona, Alaska and Tennessee have passed similar legislation, while 17 have had bills proposed but not passed in prior sessions.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/18/nine-states-proposing-montana-like-law-challenging-federal-reach-on-gun-rights/#ixzz2LMCbPht1
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Count Double Star in also:
Effective Immediately!!
Due to the recent changes in 2nd Amendment laws that are pending or currently enforced by states across the country, the J&T Family of Companies which includes J&T Distributing, DoubleStar Corp., Ace Limited, and the DoubleStar Training Academy has been forced to reassess our policies regarding government and law enforcement sales. Effective immediately, the J&T Family of Companies will be joining other manufacturers and distributors by ceasing sales of regulated items in states that have altered the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms.
The JTFOC will no longer sell prohibited items to law enforcement agencies or any government agencies in states, counties, cities, and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their law abiding citizens. We hope other companies will join us with their support. We applaud those already involved with this effort to protect our 2nd Amendment rights.
-Be Victorious
http://www.star15.com/
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Ronnie Barrett issues statement against New York, to mirror his long-time stance in California:
The date says 2012, but it was posted less than 10 minutes ago on Barrett's FB page. I suspect it was just a minor oversight.
A STATEMENT FROM RONNIE BARRETT:
Barrett’s Position Regarding the Assault on Liberty
February 20, 2012
Barrett opposes those who are illegally disarming the American public from their efficient arms and creating superior armed elitist government agencies.
Elected state officials of New York, having been sworn to protect our Constitution, have instead committed an offense against it and their citizens by stripping inalienable rights duly protected and guaranteed under the Second Amendment. By their deliberate and sinister actions, these officials now cause their state and local policing agencies to enforce these unconstitutional and illegal so called “laws”.
By current law, Barrett cannot be an accomplice with any lawbreaker, therefore, cannot and will not service or sell to New York government agencies. Barrett also applies this stance to the individual elected official who, as a matter of public record, has voted for or created regulation that violates the constitutional rights of their citizens. This is an expansion of our 2002 ban against the California government due to their second amendment infringements, and shall apply to any future violators.
In the course of world history there have been officials that strip inalienable rights from the people that were given to all by our Creator. Most of these officials inevitably come to trial, some do not.
Intentionally violating constitutional rights by officials that have sworn to uphold them should have severe prison sentences.
With the clear vision of horrible events in history repeating itself, all manufacturers of firearms or related equipment remaining in partnership with such violators should have a respectable fear of being found with the guilty on their day of trial.
During this era of assault on liberty, Barrett will remain steadfast in our efforts to serve law-abiding citizens of all fifty states, and stands together with you in the struggles we will fight and win.
Ronnie Barrett
Chairman and CEO
https://www.facebook.com/barrett.net
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152600568235038&set=a.370014790037.361087.269478890037&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf
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Ronnie Barrett stands tall.
And he has laid it at the feet of all all manufacturers of firearms or related equipment remaining in partnership with such violators should have a respectable fear of being found with the guilty on their day of trial.
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I'm waiting for companies that have supplied weapons denied to citizens to "recall" them for safety purposes...public safety of course. I wonder if that is legal...just as they do for automobiles? In this way, the company could substitute a legal weapon for one that is recalled and just charge "shipping and handling"! They could then resell those original weapons to authorities in states where the weapons are declared safe for public use. Just another crazy thought as "public safety" frequently is cited in the legislation used to deny sales to citizens.
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I'm waiting for companies that have supplied weapons denied to citizens to "recall" them for safety purposes...public safety of course. I wonder if that is legal...just as they do for automobiles? In this way, the company could substitute a legal weapon for one that is recalled and just charge "shipping and handling"! They could then resell those original weapons to authorities in states where the weapons are declared safe for public use. Just another crazy thought as "public safety" frequently is cited in the legislation used to deny sales to citizens.
First letter
Dear XXX Dept,
It has come to our attention that there is a potential problem with your XXX firearms.
This problem may effect all makes and models. For the safety of your personal please return all items immediately.
Second letter,
We are sorry to inform you that your fire arms, having been banned in your state may not be returned since our legal advisers warn us that such shipments could be a violation of Federal law regarding shipment of controlled material.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
I love it ! ! ;D
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First letter
Dear XXX Dept,
It has come to our attention that there is a potential problem with your XXX firearms.
This problem may effect all makes and models. For the safety of your personal please return all items immediately.
Second letter,
We are sorry to inform you that your fire arms, having been banned in your state may not be returned since our legal advisers warn us that such shipments could be a violation of Federal law regarding shipment of controlled material.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
I love it ! ! ;D
You laugh, but Glock did it. Following the 1994 AWB, they offered LEO agencies a two for one trade in of used mags for new ones as a "customer appreciation gesture". Pretty much every one jumped on it as "hey, free new mags". They then turned around and sold all those rarely fired pre-ban hi-cps on the civilian market at like new prices. Way to go Gaston! Perfection indeed! ;D
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Looks like Armalite is trying to play both sides of the fence.
http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/02/armalite-tries-to-play-both-sides-of-the-developing-gun-war/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BobOwens+%28Bob+Owens%29&utm_content=Google+Reader (http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/02/armalite-tries-to-play-both-sides-of-the-developing-gun-war/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BobOwens+%28Bob+Owens%29&utm_content=Google+Reader)
In other words, Armalite is trying to play both ends against the middle. They want to say they are on-board with the boycott (sort of) to placate gun owners, but they aren’t; they’re still going to continue selling to individual police officers… just not to the departments.
Armalite will sell to every individual officer in the department that wants an AR-15, but they won’t sell to the department’s official purchasing agent. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge.
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That puts Armalite on the same "Never Buy From" list as Cheaper than Dirt for me. >:(
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That puts Armalite on the same "Never Buy From" list as Cheaper than Dirt for me. >:(
They (Armalite has doubled down),
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/daniel-zimmerman/armalite-doubles-down-on-sales-to-ban-state-leos/
ArmaLite Doubles Down on Sales to Ban State LEOs
Posted on February 21, 2013 by Dan Zimmerman
TTAG just received the following statement from ArmaLite president Mark Westrom:
ArmaLite Continues Support to Law Enforcement Officers
Beginning last week ArmaLite was subjected to a flurry of inquiries about whether ArmaLite would refuse to sell its firearms in New York State in reaction to the legislature’s surprise passage of the worst firearm regulations in the country. In an unannounced move the legislature passed a law that bans possession of many firearms and renders virtually all rifle and pistol magazines illegal. That little detail alone leaves their owners either in violation of the law or holders of single-shot rifles and pistols. It was a dictatorial act of one-party rule . . .
I advised that I had established a policy almost two decades ago that held that ArmaLite would not sell to a state government that denied ownership of firearms to the honorable citizens of the state.
But I advised that I would, (as during the earlier “Assault Weapon Ban” by the way) continue to sell to individual Police officers and to Sheriff’s and other departments that support private ownership.
We have been contacted by a group of respondents opposing the purchase of rifles by Police officers and supportive law enforcement organizations in New York. Wholesale abandonment of even the good law enforcement officers of New York state has become a litmus test for some and cannot be in the interest of gun owners or manufacturers.
But that’s no more proper than the cries of those who would take away the rights of gun owners, and disregards the fact that the majority of Police officers are themselves gun owners. Many of them frequent AR15.com.
When I was a Police officer I was required to purchase my own pistol, rifle, and shotgun. The same is true of many Police officers today. We at ArmaLite observe that the majority of our rifles now used by Police officers were purchased by the officers themselves. I will not abandon them because of the actions of their State legislators. I will support them to the extent allowed by law.
I appreciate the support of those thoughtful citizens that understand the principle of avoiding dealings with political institutions and leaders who would violate our Second Amendment rights while supporting the rank and file and the good officials who support us all.
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Armalite is worse than the companies who have taken no stand at all .
They are trying to look good to us with out actually giving anything up.
Image with no substance , they must be democrats.
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There is a reasonable middle ground here. Sell individual LEOs the rifles, but only with 7 round mags. Me, I think its gone beyond that. I think NY needs to be made an example. No guns, no mags, no parts, no ammo. But acknowleding that you are taking a stand with no teeth is absurd. Yes denying LEOS ARs puts them and the public at risk. That's the point. Denying us ARs puts us at risk. A total boycott says that what's good for the indian should be good for the chief. If we can't have them, neither should they. If they feel undergunned without an AR (and they will be), why should I be undergunned?
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Stand together.
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Hear are Armalites Phone numbers and fax number. I for one will call there 800 number every time I pass the phone today and also send them a fax at the same time. If we overload there system it will be damn hard to make the sales that would like to make.
Monty,
1-800-336-0184 Toll Free
1-309-944-6939 Phone
1-309-944-6949 Fax
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I feel that those companies who sacrifice sales to support the 2A should, in turn, be rewarded by our continued support and patronage. Likewise, those companies following policies with which we disagree should not benefit from our hard-earned dollars and should be made to understand why we are buying elsewhere.
But let's not be distracted by all of this. These companies are not writing legislation... they are not voting on bills that will become law... they do not have the power to dictate policy and bureaucratic mandates. These companies - all companies - live or die because of the free market. Their continued existence will be determined by where we decide to spend our money. Their own policies and business decisions will ultimately determine their future viability.
Again, let's not be distracted by all of this. Our focus, and all of our energies, should be directed toward those who DO have the authority to impact our 2A freedoms. We must focus on our legislators and other elected officials - federal, state, and local. Instead of expending time and energy fighting members within our industry let's fight against those who want to destroy our industry - and our freedoms.
The battle is changing, positions are shifting, and our enemy's objective is continually being redefined. But we must stay the course... call, write, fax, email, educate, communicate, join, donate... and then do it all again. Let the market take care of the market. Our job is to make sure that our LEGISLATORS understand the consequences of their actions.
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Amen Brother! I have made it clear to my Congress Critters that my vote depends on their vote. I said that I will forgive them for a lot of bad votes, but not on this. They vote wrong and they should stop asking me for money and sending me e-mail updates. Its a waste of time. I will support ANYONE who runs against them. On this, I am a one issue voter. And that's a shame as I like Bill Nelson on local issues and Marco Rubio is growing on me. But if they don't vote right here, they are dead to me. There is a bright red line, I hope they don't cross it.
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The list grows:
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2013/02/22/firearms-manufacturers-boycott-anti-gun-states/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+captainsjournal+(The+Captain's+Journal)
FTA:David Codrea has some salient thoughts. “I’m reminded of “Braveheart,” where the titled and propertied lairds cut their own deals with Longshanks and withdrew from the field, leaving the freedom fighters to take all the risks and suffer all the losses. It’s past time the entire industry was put on notice and then held accountable for any cowardice in this time of threat on all fronts.”
http://www.reddit.com/r/progun/wiki/manufacturer_leo_boycott
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Is it possible that this is the first big manufacturer to leave a state do to new gun laws.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/berettas-future-in-maryland-tied-to-states-gun-control-debate/2013/02/23/bcc56c62-7776-11e2-95e4-6148e45d7adb_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/berettas-future-in-maryland-tied-to-states-gun-control-debate/2013/02/23/bcc56c62-7776-11e2-95e4-6148e45d7adb_story.html)
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Beretta moving would be a good thing. They also need to blacklist the repressive states.
I found it odd that they only employed 300 people there. I believe Magpul has 200 employees but losing those jobs doesn't seem to be having any impact on the CO legislation in the pipeline.
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Beretta is going to hurt both MD and the feds. All military M9s must be made in country so production will be down until they completely get set up where ever they move to. They were planning nearly $100 million in expansion in the next couple years and pay nearly $30 million in taxes to MD. All gone. Could happen to a nicer guy (O'Malley)
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Hurrah and God Bless Beretta ;D
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What we need is a list of outfits still doing business with those treasonous governments.
Not getting on that negative list would be more of an incentive to a company than just getting on the positive one.
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What we need is a list of outfits still doing business with those treasonous governments.
S&W has been catering to Beacon Hill for years. Every time I get a mind to look at their guns I'm reminded of the that fact and go elsewhere!
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I saw on Fox News today that there are not 44 firearms and supply companies now on board with this.
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Every one is a HUGE step forward.
Thanks to every single one of them ;D
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Wilson Combat steps up.
http://www.thetacticalwire.com/story/281821
Wilson Combat Announces Anti-Gun States No-Sale Policy
Wilson Combat will no longer provide any products or services to any State Government imposing legislation that infringes on the Second Amendment rights of its law-abiding citizens. This includes any Law Enforcement Department, Law Enforcement Officers, or any State Government Entity or Employee of such an entity. This also applies to any local municipality imposing such infringements. States currently included in our No-Sale Policy are:
• California
• Hawaii
• Maryland
• Massachusetts
• New Jersey
• New York
• Washington D.C.
• The City of Chicago, Illinois
Wilson Combat will in NO way support the government of these states or their anti-gun agenda that only limits the rights of law-abiding citizens. Wilson Combat will continue to supply any product and/or service they can legally sell in these states to all non-government affiliated citizens.