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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: DonWorsham on May 09, 2008, 11:52:04 AM
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I just read somewhere now that John McCain will be one of the speakers at the Leadership Forum on Friday May 16 the Secret Service will be using metal detectors. So you'll need to leave that firearm in the car or your hotel room.
Nice. My primary reason to attend this year is the Leadership Forum (but it is really a chance to meet Bane in person) and listen to the speakers. I have two tickets.
No way I'm going around un-armed for John McCain (or anyone). Why should my safety be compromised by John McCain?
edited: this is the site. an update says "You can carry at the convention center, but it’s unknown as to McCain’s security plans"
http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/05/08/packin-in-louisville/
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Not that I believe in conspiracies, but what better way for the anti's to give gun owners a black eye than for someone to take a pop at someone at the NRA convention.
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Mistress Clinton would just love it! Let us know how it turns out please.
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Hope you have a great time. The Secret Service is , well, the Secret Service,... 8)
It's nothing personal, they just want to be the only "armed" people.
Its just a Secret Service thing,..... Not necessarily a bad thing,...
Still hope its enjoyable,.. Post pics.
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I'd normally complain about a prohibition about CCW, like the time the meetings were held in Orlando and the Convention Center was completely off-limits for CCW. That was something that we all griped about.
But a couple of years later, in Pittsburgh, where CCW was fine for the convention hall - Dick Cheney was the main banquet keynote - the heightened security was forewarned, limited to gaining entry to the banquet. I didn't hear a single complaint - I think everyone can reconcile the difference and realize the need, and don't take it as an affront to their citizen status. If you feel 'that' exposed, you simply don't attend the event.
I have met people who think the only people who have guns, have CCWs and are pro-NRA, and attend NRA conventions - are a homogenous bunch of McCain lovers, but that ain't the case. I shudder to think of what kind of hay American media would make with even a one-man terror attack on McCain while at an NRA function.
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I'd normally complain about a prohibition about CCW, like the time the meetings were held in Orlando and the Convention Center was completely off-limits for CCW. That was something that we all griped about.
But a couple of years later, in Pittsburgh, where CCW was fine for the convention hall - Dick Cheney was the main banquet keynote - the heightened security was forewarned, limited to gaining entry to the banquet. I didn't hear a single complaint - I think everyone can reconcile the difference and realize the need, and don't take it as an affront to their citizen status. If you feel 'that' exposed, you simply don't attend the event.
I have met people who think the only people who have guns, have CCWs and are pro-NRA, and attend NRA conventions - are a homogenous bunch of McCain lovers, but that ain't the case. I shudder to think of what kind of hay American media would make with even a one-man terror attack on McCain while at an NRA function.
That is NOT legal in FL. You cannot post a place off limits to CCW!
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That is NOT legal in FL. You cannot post a place off limits to CCW!
Glad to see you back Haz, Was that the law AT THE TIME OF THAT MEETING ? or did the law change since then ?
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Far as I know that has been in place since about 1988. The State occupies the whole field and lists those places not allowed to carry. FL Law 790
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0790/ch0790.htm
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Still Haz, Even though Fla law says one thing. I do believe local jurisdiction can interdict and put a ban on carrying a gun in a place for a special event where heightened security is present. In Fla are you allowed to CCW in a place where security screens are in place or wands are used and all weapons must be surrendered to security until you leave? Thats the way it is in Colorado
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Still Haz, Even though Fla law says one thing. I do believe local jurisdiction can interdict and put a ban on carrying a gun in a place for a special event where heightened security is present. In Fla are you allowed to CCW in a place where security screens are in place or wands are used and all weapons must be surrendered to security until you leave? Thats the way it is in Colorado
As stated in 790 the State occupies the whole field of firearms law, period. If the President is in town then Fed laws superseed but other than that if the place is not listed in FL 790 as a no carry you are allowed. If someone tried to disalow me I would complain, ask to be shown their authority and sue if necessary.
15) The Legislature finds as a matter of public policy and fact that it is necessary to provide statewide uniform standards for issuing licenses to carry concealed weapons and firearms for self-defense and finds it necessary to occupy the field of regulation of the bearing of concealed weapons or firearms for self-defense to ensure that no honest, law-abiding person who qualifies under the provisions of this section is subjectively or arbitrarily denied his or her rights. The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall implement and administer the provisions of this section. The Legislature does not delegate to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services the authority to regulate or restrict the issuing of licenses provided for in this section, beyond those provisions contained in this section. Subjective or arbitrary actions or rules which encumber the issuing process by placing burdens on the applicant beyond those sworn statements and specified documents detailed in this section or which create restrictions beyond those specified in this section are in conflict with the intent of this section and are prohibited. This section shall be liberally construed to carry out the constitutional right to bear arms for self-defense. This section is supplemental and additional to existing rights to bear arms, and nothing in this section shall impair or diminish such rights.
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Talk about a catch 22! Just like getting set up to be either sexist or bigoted for not voting for the Dem. candidate (depending on which one we face), now we either admit our guns are a threat or we willingly endanger Mr. McCain.
How about someone, hint Mr. McCain, show some leadership and tell the "SS" to to back off and deal with it in a different way. I don't know how they should deal with it, but aren't they the best at what they do? SHOW IT !!!
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Talk about a catch 22! Just like getting set up to be either sexist or bigoted for not voting for the Dem. candidate (depending on which one we face), now we either admit our guns are a threat or we willingly endanger Mr. McCain.
How about someone, hint Mr. McCain, show some leadership and tell the "SS" to to back off and deal with it in a different way. I don't know how they should deal with it, but aren't they the best at what they do? SHOW IT !!!
As a holder of a concealed carry permit I resent this intrusion on my rights. If I were a Secret Service agent however, I would DEFINATLY want to be the only one armed in a given location.
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Update from the NRA....
Dear Fellow NRA Member,
As a ticket holder for the NRA's Celebration of American Values Leadership Forum, we wanted to alert you to this important OFFICIAL NOTICE:
By mandate of the U. S. Secret Service, no firearms will be allowed in Hall A of the Kentucky Exposition Center, the location of the Celebration of American Values Leadership Forum, on Friday, May 16.
Please be prepared to go through security screening to enter the venue. We look forward to seeing you at this outstanding event!
I'm thinking I'll not attend this session now. Perhaps after I get there I might change my mind. I really wanted to hear the other speakers.
Maybe Bane will move his drinking venue up to 12:30 P.M. and make an afternoon of it.
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I would vote for McCain if he walked up before his speech and calmly removed the ballistic shields from next to the podium while saying
" Folks, I don't need these here to talk to the members of the NRA".
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national secerity always trumps state law...
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I would vote for McCain if he walked up before his speech and calmly removed the ballistic shields from next to the podium while saying
" Folks, I don't need these here to talk to the members of the NRA".
They're using ballistic shields now? At an NRA convention? That would be fairly bad for PR I would think. Just hazarding a guess that you're talking about the teleprompter's on either side of the podium and good luck taking that away from any politiician. ::)
Is this the kind of thing you're thinking of?
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion2003/preparation/images/5web-p26021-20-398h.jpg)
Your point still holds though. It would be hilarious if he got rid of the teleprompters and said he didn't need em... I'd be more likely to trust what he was saying was his own opinion and not just reading a script to get elected.
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Teleprompters and speach writers are a waste of time, and money. If the current crop of corrupt, self indulgent elitist, Mo&$%# Fu%@>r's we currently call politicians are not going to use THEIR OWN WORDS, the should plagerize speeches that have worked in the past.
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Is this the kind of thing you're thinking of?
Well I learn something every day! I always thought they were lexan shields.
Don't I feel like a dumb as@
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Is this the kind of thing you're thinking of?
Well I learn something every day! I always thought they were lexan shields.
Don't I feel like a dumb as@
I bet you're aren't the only one... if I didn't work with them frequently I would have thought the same thing.