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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on February 28, 2013, 12:59:54 PM
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What is the threshold of danger to warrant removing something from the hands of the people?
What is the threshold of danger to warrant removing a citizens Constitutionally protected rights?
What is the threshold of danger to warrant changing our Constitution to remove a protection?
My warped mind goes round and round, and I had a thought this morning:
President G.W. Bush was in office when we went to war with two countries. Much of the reasoning for these actions were the dangers presented in those two countries. United Nations investigators found reasonable cause to believe that Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction" based on how their admittance was being limited, denied, and delayed. The amount of damage and death that has been laid on our military over there by IEDs and small arms means nothing to the elected officials blaming Pres. GW Bush. It also means nothing to many in our nation.
If explosives and small arms of all types are not a concern when viewing an unfriendly nation, and if they should be no problem for our mighty military:
Why do we see semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, handguns, magazines of above a certain capacity, certain accessories for carrying and aiming weapons, and certain configurations and styles be a threshold that demands removing our Constitutionally protected right?
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At the risk of sounding cliche' I will remind you that, for the people pushing the gun bans, it has nothing to do with safety. It's all about exerting
as much TOTAL control over every aspect of our lives. They don't want us free, with the means to stop them. They want sheep, that will believe every word they say, and go willingly to the slaughter. It's much easier to hand over the U.S. to the U.N. without people protesting about sovereignty, and independence. So shut up, stop thinking, and get on the train you miserable peasant.
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At the risk of sounding cliche' I will remind you that, for the people pushing the gun bans, it has nothing to do with safety. It's all about exerting as much TOTAL control over every aspect of our lives. They don't want us free, with the means to stop them. They want sheep, that will believe every word they say, and go willingly to the slaughter. It's much easier to hand over the U.S. to the U.N. without people protesting about sovereignty, and independence. So shut up, stop thinking, and get on the train you miserable peasant.
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One world government run by those schooled in the George Soros management style...
Crusader Rabbit
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I see a bump or two on that road.
Not to mention the occasion "technical difficulty" with the "trains to the East".
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I see a bump or two on that road.
Not to mention the occasion "technical difficulty" with the "trains to the East".
New used for rope? Tying politicians to the tracks?
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I was thinking more of derailing the train and letting the prisoners escape .
I suspect that by that time they would no longer be so appreciative of the "vacation" the Progressives had in mind.
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JC5123,
I understand where you are going, but I'm trying to get people to think clear. Your thought is along the line of what Mom always asked "If everyone else jumped off the bridge would you too?"
Just because the current movement is to create a single world government and like mindedness does not mean we should just be lemmings.
So let's just pretend that we are an independent and sovereign nation with a Constitution that protects the God given rights of its citizens.
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I think NY state has passed the threshold.
I think the threshold should be if the current gun control assault does not result in the repeal, or overturning of at least half of existing gun laws.
The only valid gun law in America is the 2A.
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Uncle Ted!!! I Love You!!!
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JC5123,
I understand where you are going, but I'm trying to get people to think clear. Your thought is along the line of what Mom always asked "If everyone else jumped off the bridge would you too?"
Just because the current movement is to create a single world government and like mindedness does not mean we should just be lemmings.
So let's just pretend that we are an independent and sovereign nation with a Constitution that protects the God given rights of its citizens.
Great fantasy you have got going there. In all seriousness, I do understand what you're thinking. Here is what I see as the reason we cannot effect real change; we have the numbers to change the direction in this country. We have no leaders that will do what needs to be done. I don't want to admit it, but many times in the last decade, I have felt that we have passed the point of no return. We are at the point where we have only that "last box" option left to us. Now they want to take that away. That is how I know we are there. They know this too. They know that the game is rigged. They know we have wised up to that fact. They know that we are tired of the games, that they have finally pushed the last buttons.
Wow, I drifted there...... ::)
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JC,
So you figure that "they" have pushed their last buttons. So, when do we start pushing our buttons? Better that than pulling triggers at this stage. We all need to proffer legislation in the Congress and state legislatures that overturns all anti-gun laws that currently exist at the federal and state levels and requires constitutional action for any law related to the 2A. Let municipalities decide what is good for them, but no state-wide anti-gun laws will be permitted without constitutional process. Someone is pulling the strings for the anti-gunners and we need to appoint some one to do the same for us. It is time we act in concert. When they see us move as one, then they will back off. We cannot stop until we achieve total victory. The gun industry must be with us, or to paraphrase a WH staffer they will regret it. MB is right, we have influence that extends beyond the gun industry itself. Let's start using that influence and flex our political muscle. Mossy Oak, wake up! Outfitters, wake up. NY State tourism, wake up! MD Eastern Shore hunting, wake up! Tink's, wake up! Under Armor, wake up!
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But that is what I mean that the game is rigged. Dem, Rep. What's the difference anymore? They put on a good show, but I guarantee you that as soon as the cameras are off, they are all going out for beers together. It's just like Michael said in the Podcast last week; "They have a dacha by the lake too".
We are the enemy. Anyone who thinks for themselves and questions their intentions, authority, or tries to hold them accountable. If the ballot box still worked, Washington would be majority Republican. It hasn't shifted. And when you look at some of the data i.e. 140% of the population voting, and no one questions it? Oh, and they ALL voted Dem. The ballot box is broken. As for the soapbox? How about all those town hall meetings where we overwhelmingly rejected Obummercare? Right before they jammed it down our throats at midnight, on Christmas Eve. They don't care. They want us gone. Because at this point, WE are the only barricade left in the way of them turning us into the north american union.
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Here's another thing, and it's the one that renders both the soap box and the ballot box completely useless.
The problem is not just "progressives" in Congress and State legislatures.
That actually is pretty much the last step in fact.
We have had these communist Quisling's teaching in our colleges for 90 years so student's today have no clue about American history, the Constitution, or personal responsibility.
We have a "free media" that has been going into the tank for socialism ever since the NYT sent Walter Durante to the Soviet Ukraine and he saw no signs of famine.
Now they are nothing but the propaganda arm of the Dem/socialist Party.
As an example, there were 2 Newtown parents who commented on gun control .
The one who used facts to point out the uselessness of such measures got a lot of coverage on the web.
Guess which one's testimony to Congress was covered on the TV news .
And then, the final nail in the coffin of American freedom, the Bureaucrats.
They are elected by no one, answerable to no one, and they stay from administration to administration .
These are the ones who implement "policy changes" such as scrapping once fired military brass, ruling that M1 Garand's can't be re-imported from S Korea, and the whole gamut of "Agenda 21" "sustainable" policies laid out by the UN.
And they answer to no one.
That is why the system is to broke to fix by conventional means.
There is a cancer in this nation that needs to be removed and the current gun control debate is the absolute last hope for America.
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I know what the problem is!
I ask a basic question concerning the trees, and all anybody wants to talk about is the old forest we live in. Drifts are not all bad, but I am asking asking basic questions about our foundation, and you are telling me why we can't change the paint colors.
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Oh, we can change it all right.
But the change will not come peacefully.
As I said, conventional methods will not work.
As in the Revolution, and the Civil war no one has the nerve to start actions that many see as unavoidable, they are comfortable, they are a little lazy, they are a little out of shape, they are conditioned to obey the law, and they fear the unknown land that lies beyond the first step.
What is needed, what will set off the big Ka Boom is a coldly calculated incident that will pit the forces of authority against civilians representing the forces of freedom and seen as such.
In 1775 it was Troops marching to recover STOLEN arms, confronted by a militia that had no intention of firing .
But some one did.
That supplied the spark that united the 13 colonies behind one "continental Congress and the idea of resistance, it took another year of violence and argument to get them all to accept the idea of Independence.
In 1861 it required Lincolns determination to resupply Fort Sumter which, located as it was, had no hope of holding out against even a simple blockade , but it gave Lincoln the political juice to call up 75,000 volunteers and trigger the reconquest of the Confederacy.
What will it be this time ? Another Waco ? A citizen murdered for refusing uncompensated confiscation of private property ?
I don't know, but you can bet the farm it is not far off.
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We, the people, outnumber the local police. I'd be willing to bet half or more of them are on our side.
We, the people, outnumber the FLEA's (federal law enforcement agents), see above.
We, the people, outnumber the military, see above.
Good paying job, decent pension= comfortable life=apapthy.
We, the people start fighting/shooting back. Good paying job, decent pension=getting shot at for confiscating private property and violating civil rights=maybe I'll call in sick today/find another job/grow a pair and join the opposition.
Nah, that last part is just fantasy. Bills to pay, kids to feed=we need to get rid of these wackjobs so we can have some peace and quiet in this country.
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These fascists control freaks are the fruits of the hippies and anti-war movement with the corresponding influence from the spies and operatives of the old USSR and what they did here in the 60's and 70's. They "just want to do their thing and be left alone"....but when they get in power, as we suspected, they want everyone to do what they want them to do in true fascist style. On a lessor level look at Bloomberg telling people what they can drink and how much, so no 2 liter cokes with your family's pizza, etc., etc., etc.
They are at once both bullies and cowards. The anti-war movement dissipated with Kent State and has been reborn in it's old age as the fascists-Marxists the sheep never knew or believed or recognized they were. When "Mikey got his eye poked out" and it got real they shut up and went underground....memories fade or lessons learned now no longer apply so they are back to rule and reign.
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Rastus is completely wrong.
First off, hippies just wanted to do their own thing and be left alone.
Most were actually quite conservative beyond free love and smoking weed.
Secondly, wannabe dictators have always been with us, remember, George Washington rejected the idea of some very influential men that he crown himself "King".