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Title: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: RTFM on March 12, 2013, 02:56:48 PM
Well well well... good ole DiFi's state is at it aren't they?

Yah, it's F[_]C|<tards web site... forgive me.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/california-seizes-guns-as-owners-lose-right-to-bear-arms.html?cmpid=yhoo

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Wearing bulletproof vests and carrying 40-caliber Glock pistols, nine California Justice Department agents assembled outside a ranch-style house in a suburb east of Los Angeles. They were looking for a gun owner who’d recently spent two days in a mental hospital.



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They had better luck in nearby Upland, where they seized three guns from the home of Lynette Phillips, 48, who’d been hospitalized for mental illness, and her husband, David. One gun was registered to her, two to him.

The prohibited person can’t have access to a firearm,” regardless of who the registered owner is, said Michelle Gregory, a spokeswoman for the attorney general’s office.

So - you're good - but she's a loon, SURPRISE Son, cuz' she's fruit loops, you lose too.
I usually reserve this for EA Games. But in this case.

RAT BASTARDS just seems so appropriate.
Title: Re: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: JC5123 on March 12, 2013, 04:15:07 PM
FTA

“The prohibited person can’t have access to a firearm,” regardless of who the registered owner is, said Michelle Gregory, a spokeswoman for the attorney general’s office.

So how does that work with NFA controlled items such as suppressors SBR's or full auto's? Both people can legally own a firearm, but since only one has done the paperwork, technically, according to Kaliforistan, they still should be confiscated?
Title: Re: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: Solus on March 12, 2013, 04:32:02 PM
I wonder what "access" means.

I guess the 'list' will have to be checked to rent a gun at the range.

Will the 'list' have to be checked to enter a gun store or any store that also sells guns?

Are they prohibited from visiting the home of a friend who is a gun owner?

Are they going to check the 'list' to let people near the next gun buy back line?
Title: Re: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 12, 2013, 06:18:10 PM
I wonder what "access" means.

I guess the 'list' will have to be checked to rent a gun at the range.

Will the 'list' have to be checked to enter a gun store or any store that also sells guns?

Are they prohibited from visiting the home of a friend who is a gun owner?

Are they going to check the 'list' to let people near the next gun buy back line?

In the case of felons (I am assuming crazy people fall under the same rule) "Access" means a felon is not even supposed to be in the presence of a firearm, and can not live in a home if guns are present.
Former co worker had the choice of having his son under his roof or his guns.
He stored the guns elsewhere.

RTFM, Bloomberg . com IS NOT BLOOMY.
Bloomberg .Com is a fairly reliable sight that does not go in for spin.
Bloomy on the other hand is just a rich azzhole with visions of grandeur
Title: Re: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: RTFM on March 12, 2013, 07:42:36 PM
Thanks Tom, thought they were one in the same.
Title: Re: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 12, 2013, 09:26:43 PM
Thanks Tom, thought they were one in the same.


Bloomy may still own the holding company that owns it, and the CEO is a Bloomy crony, but the news site seems to be far more concerned with honest financial, and business reporting than in any political agenda.
When ever it is used as a source it seems to be the voice of reason and common sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_L.P
Title: Re: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: JLawson on March 12, 2013, 10:45:44 PM
Here is a link to a discussion of NFA items and the legal concept of "constructive possession" :

http://blog.princelaw.com/2009/07/08/nfa-and-constructive-possession-myth-or-reality/ (http://blog.princelaw.com/2009/07/08/nfa-and-constructive-possession-myth-or-reality/)

Title: Re: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: MikeBjerum on March 13, 2013, 08:43:09 AM
Time for the ACLU to jump in ... as if they will  >:(

Selectively stripping Constitutional Protections from citizens  >:(

Read, Read, READ these gun control Bills at the federal level and that states across this nation are passing!  They include items in the background check area that toughen mental health issues, and expand the reporting by ALL in the medical profession.  Pres. BHO's Executive Orders not only opened the door, but pushed the baby through it that ALL medical professionals must identify people THEY feel shouldn't have firearms, educate the patient, and REPORT  THE  PERSON.

We have seen it over the last few years where returning soldiers have been denied on their Brady check because of light treatment for PTSD.  What is going to happen in the years to come when firefighters, law enforcement, or EMS go through debriefing and sessions following a traumatic situation?
Title: Re: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: billt on March 13, 2013, 08:49:50 AM
In the case of felons (I am assuming crazy people fall under the same rule) "Access" means a felon is not even supposed to be in the presence of a firearm, and can not live in a home if guns are present.
Former co worker had the choice of having his son under his roof or his guns.
He stored the guns elsewhere.

That also holds true with alcohol for some felony crimes that are committed under the influence. I had a co worker who was asked by another co worker to, "buy a shotgun for him". He came to me and asked what I thought. I advised him not to, and told him it would fall under the classification of a Straw Purchase. Besides, I told him if his own father wouldn't buy it for him, why should you or anyone else?
Title: Re: California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Post by: BBJohnnyT on March 13, 2013, 09:58:37 AM
So how does that work with NFA controlled items such as suppressors SBR's or full auto's? Both people can legally own a firearm, but since only one has done the paperwork, technically, according to Kaliforistan, they still should be confiscated?

That's a non-issue.  NFA items are impossible to obtain in CA.  Believe me, I looked into every avenue to get just a lousy suppressor.