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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on April 07, 2013, 01:55:54 PM
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Those who have waited so long to finally figure this out....... ::)
Homer says, "Doh!!"
In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks
The speed and deadliness of recent high-profile shootings have prompted police departments to recommend fleeing, hiding or fighting in the event of a mass attack, instead of remaining passive and waiting for help.
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The traditional advice to the public has been “don’t get involved, call 911,” Mr. Wexler said, adding, “There’s a recognition in these ‘active shooter’ situations that there may be a need for citizens to act in a way that perhaps they haven’t been trained for or equipped to deal with.”
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Research on mass shootings over the last decade has bolstered the idea that people at the scene of an attack have a better chance of survival if they take an active stance rather than waiting to be rescued by the police, who in many cases cannot get there fast enough to prevent the loss of life.
In an analysis of 84 such shooting cases in the United States from 2000 to 2010, for example, researchers at Texas State University found that the average time it took for the police to respond was three minutes.
“But you see that about half the attacks are over before the police get there, even when they arrive quickly,” said J. Pete Blair, director for research of the university’s Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center and an author of the research, which is set to be published in a book this year.
In the absence of a police presence, how victims responded often made the difference between life and death, Dr. Blair said.
In 16 of the attacks studied by the researchers, civilians were able to stop the perpetrator, subduing him in 13 cases and shooting him in 3 cases. In other attacks, civilians have obstructed or delayed the gunman until the police arrived.
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“The take-home message is that you’re not helpless and the actions you take matter,” Dr. Blair said. “You can help yourself and certainly buy time for the police to get there.”
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“If you’re face to face and you know that this person is all about death, you've got to take some action to fight,” Chief Riseling said.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/us/in-a-shift-police-advise-taking-an-active-role-to-counter-mass-attacks.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Damn, just damn, ::) ??? :o
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and we are to protect/defend ourselves with what?....like popcorn boxes at movie theatres...pencils/textbooks and rulers at schools, checkbooks/deposit slips at financial institutions...and other GUN FREE ZONES!!! G...o...l...l...y!
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and we are to protect/defend ourselves with what?....like popcorn boxes at movie theatres...pencils/textbooks and rulers at schools, checkbooks/deposit slips at financial institutions...and other GUN FREE ZONES!!! G...o...l...l...y!
At least they're saying running like hell might be a better idea than pinning your kids in a classroom like sheep for the slaughter. And there are probably five good weapons within ten feet of you, even if you aren't carrying a good knife (and shame on you if you're not, its rule number 8 8).
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Just saying these are all gun free zones in Michigan. And I always carry a knife even it violates Rule 1...Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
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"Mr. Wexler and others noted that the change echoes a transformation in police procedures that began after the shooting at Columbine High School in 1999, when some departments began telling officers who arrived first on a scene to act immediately rather than waiting for backup. "
Notice it took college educated "researchers" only 14 years to figure out something any idiot could have told you .
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"Mr. Wexler and others noted that the change echoes a transformation in police procedures that began after the shooting at Columbine High School in 1999, when some departments began telling officers who arrived first on a scene to act immediately rather than waiting for backup. "
Notice it took college educated "researchers" only 14 years to figure out something any idiot could have told you .
I'm sure it was a government funded study... don't want to get an answer too soon or you'll be out of a job.
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and we are to protect/defend ourselves with what?....like popcorn boxes at movie theatres...pencils/textbooks and rulers at schools, checkbooks/deposit slips at financial institutions...and other GUN FREE ZONES!!! G...o...l...l...y!
Haven't you been listening to our esteemed Veep?
Pee on yourself and try to vomit.
Or, was that just useful in rape situations?
Crusader Rabbit
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The answer was arrived at the first hour. The paperwork took 14 years.
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The answer was arrived at the first hour. The paperwork took 14 years.
RED TAPE
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Haven't you been listening to our esteemed Veep?
Pee on yourself and try to vomit.
Or, was that just useful in rape situations?
Crusader Rabbit
sounds like we need a couple more lessons added to our self defense courses
Projectile Vomiting and Pin Point Peeing
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sounds like we need a couple more lessons added to our self defense courses
Projectile Vomiting and Pin Point Peeing
Be sure to keep a tight grouping there.......only good hits count. ;D
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My wife is the librarian at a school and her room is the first door past the reception area. Lots of glass so people can see in. In all likelihood a random shooter would take out her room first before any alarm would be sounded.
However, if the shooter started somewhere else in the building by coming in another door, she has already decided that she would take any children in the library and exit through the rear exterior door to the library. She would then go through the church building whose rear entrance door is only about 25 feet away, out the front of the church, across the street to the police precinct. At any given time she has from 0 to 18 students and 2 to 3 adults in her library. Never more. So safely herding her charges away from the danger is easily doable.
A lot better than hunkering down and waiting to be killed.