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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: philw on April 12, 2013, 12:25:59 AM
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now being a few months after the recent events :( I have not heard much being mentioned about the Core issues IMO that need to be dealt with
and they seem instead on going on about ban this take away that.. like what happened here :-/
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THat is always how it works. its a very hard issue to fix, but blaming a object is easy and makes them look like they are doing something.
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i am aware of that as a gun can be seen
mental health is not able to be seen
however IT CAN NOT BE FORGOTTEN and like over here something needs to be done to help people more
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Phil, by banning guns that will HELP us all!
Richard
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The sad thing about mental health is there is no "line in the sand" that says some one is a danger or not. I have known more then a few people that have taken thier own lives. I dId not think any of then were crazy or did not deserve a gun( non used a gun to do it btw) most of them were at end of life, and had nothing but days/ weeks of pain to look forward too. Infact I don't think ending ones life when that is what you have to look forward too is crazy or a bad thing.
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In fact I don't think ending ones life when that is what you have to look forward too is crazy or a bad thing.
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I don't agree with you very often Tab but you are right on with this.
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They used to lock up the "Criminally insane" but the ACLU got a court ruling that such "warehousing" violated the rights of the homicidal maniacs .
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The way the proposed legislation is being worded, it bypasses HIPPA, and other already on the books medical privacy laws, and incorporates ANY psychological counseling/treatment that one needs, into the hands of those who will kick in your door and take your guns.
Check NY,...it's already happening....OBTW, its the lawful gun owners,....not the BG's....
Imagine that....
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Hmmm just thought this might be another way they can use to take away firearms.
And another thing that has to be watched incase they start taking them away under mental health acts.
They can here in aust
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Similar laws in Nazi Germany lead to gas chambers.
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Hmmm just thought this might be another way they can use to take away firearms.
That is truly the goal. Always has been for these idiots.
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Hmmm just thought this might be another way they can use to take away firearms.
And another thing that has to be watched incase they start taking them away under mental health acts.
They can here in aust
Doesn't any one else know that this is exactly how the Soviets played down their Gulags.
If you were considered a "dissident were sent for "mental health exam" .
By the KGB.
If you didn't love your Govt. you must be crazy since everyone else loved the Govt.
Except the "wrecker's" who must be wiped out.
And the "Kulaks" who must be forced into the collective.
Or people who listened to Jazz.
It was Decadent .
They even controlled how big a soda you could have.
Ooop's, that's NYC . :-\
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The sell out compromise overrides an already existing law HIPPA
SEC. 117. CLARIFICATION THAT SUBMISSION OF MENTAL HEALTH RECORDS TO THE NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM IS NOT PROHIBITED BY THE HEALTH INSURANCE PORTABILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ACT.
Information collected under section 102(c)(3) of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 (18 U.S.C. 922 note) to assist the Attorney General in enforcing section 922(g)(4) of title 18, United States Code, shall not be subject to the regulations promulgated under section 264(c) of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (42 U.S.C. 1320d-2 note).
Just exactly "WHO" determines the status of one's mental health can be completely subject to interpretation. Like a liberally appointed assclown who hates guns...Oh that's fair and impartial.
But, you can appeal and get a "fair and impartial" review board to examine your particular case.....Good luck with that.
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No matter how good it sounds ANY Govt rule begs for abuse .
Here's an example .
Speed limits seem to be a good idea, right ?
Yet how many times have you been stopped by a cop on a "fishing expedition" who said "you were going a little fast", when the truth was that he just wanted to see who you were and what you were up to ?
(I will say that this is probably more common for people who work nights )
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No matter how good it sounds ANY Govt rule begs for abuse .
Here's an example .
Speed limits seem to be a good idea, right ?
Yet how many times have you been stopped by a cop on a "fishing expedition" who said "you were going a little fast", when the truth was that he just wanted to see who you were and what you were up to ?
(I will say that this is probably more common for people who work nights )
Or have a REALLY deep tan, or drive an old clunker car, or.....Seriously, if I decide I want one of those antidepressants they advertise on TV is my doc going to report me and two weeks later I'm going to get a visit from the cops? Does even wondering whether taking prozac like all the cool kids mean I'm going to lose my gun rights? Will they vet my credit card bills for alcohol purchases or see if I hang out on the net with a bunch of pro-gun whack jobs or give to the wrong candidates mean I'm unstable? This isn't a slippery slope, its a trap door opening under our feet. We're worrying about mag capacity limits when to me this is the real threat. Its placing our right to keep and bear arms in the hands of medical experts. Its got "bad idea and we'll live to regret this" written all over it.
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Here's a recent article from The Heritage Foundation.
Basically the bill exempts NICS from HIPPA and NICS does not have a lot of controls to prevent it's use by other agencies for other purposes.
The STM gun control legislation eliminates any HIPAA privacy protection for mental health records in connection with the NICS system, leaving only what privacy protection the Attorney General cares to provide. The STM legislation says that information collected under the law by Attorney General Eric Holder to help him enforce the prohibition on firearms possession by mental defectives or people committed to mental institutions “shall not be subject to the regulations promulgated under section 264(c) of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (42 U.S.C. 1320d-2 note).”
http://blog.heritage.org/2013/04/12/schumer-toomey-manchin-gun-control-bill-cuts-hipaa-privacy-for-mental-health-records/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell (http://blog.heritage.org/2013/04/12/schumer-toomey-manchin-gun-control-bill-cuts-hipaa-privacy-for-mental-health-records/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell)
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Strike, Amend, Edit, White-Out, put in an asterisk, hell write OBTW,....
Just like the NY law that "forgot" to exclude LEO's from the 7-rd. limit,.....let me get my No. 2 Ticonderoga and just take care of that.
Freakin' clowns.....we're so (insert expletive).....