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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on April 12, 2013, 05:41:30 PM
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Remington Opts to Stay in New York State & Expand Operations After Getting $80m Govt Contract
This story seems to have managed to stay in the local NY media until now.
According to a report from Albany Watch, Despite concerns from local officials and residents that the Remington Arms plant in the Mohawk Valley could close or move because of New York’s tough gun-control law, the company is actually looking to expand its existing plant, the Associated Press reported, citing local media reports.
Local lawmakers apparently talked to Remington about its $20 million expansion. The company has received $5.5 million in state incentives over the past five years.
NY Congressman Richard Hanna released the following statement on his website:
UTICA, N.Y. – U.S. Representative Richard Hanna today announced that Remington Arms has been awarded a nearly $80 million contract to produce more than 5,000 sniper rifles for the U.S. military. The work will be done in Ilion by Mohawk Valley employees.
The federal contract comes from the Special Operations Command (USSOCOM), a division of the U.S. Department of Defense. The contract will be awarded over the course of 10 years.
“The award of this contract to Remington Defense further shows that they are the premier manufacturer of sniper rifles for our Armed Forces,” Rep. Hanna said. “I have full confidence that this contract will be fulfilled with the high quality and standards that define our Ilion workforce. I fully support Remington Arms and will continue working to ensure that the company and its dedicated employees can thrive in Herkimer County for generations to come.”
This contract and the fact that Remington opted to fulfill it in NY will mean the anti gun state of New York will enjoy tens of millions of dollars of positive economic impact over the next several years from Remington and its employees.
Many gun companies are refusing to do business with law enforcement or the governments of anti gun states.
Some companies are even taking the step of moving their operations completely out of anti gun states.
It would seem Remington has opted to do the opposite.
Remington is owned by the massive investment company, Freedom Group, who also owns Marlin, DPMS, Para, Bushmaster and several other gun manufacturers.
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/remington-opts-to-stay-in-new-york-state-expand-operations-after-getting-80m-govt-contract/
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Why leave? Chucky Schumer promised if the heat got too hot, give him a call....and with a fresh .gov big contract (although I'm wondering how sequester kinda works with that), check Fleet Week with no fleet....
Some are calling for boycotts,....Bushmaster is in the same facility also,....
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Some companies are even taking the step of moving their operations completely out of anti gun states.
It would seem Remington has opted to do the opposite.
I hope that strategy works out for them......Folks now a'days have long memories and are pi**ed off about it.
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......Folks now a'days have long memories and are pi**ed off about it.
I'm ready to trade my R1 for a SR 1911 as a knee-jerk reaction to it, myself.. :(
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I passed on some Remington .45 ACP yesterday at Rural King due to this. I'm about ready to get rid of my dad's Wingmaster he bought in 1957 due to this. Short term profit/thinking will be the death knell of some of these firearms manufacturers.
How long did it take S&W, or have they even fully recovered yet?
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How long did it take S&W, or have they even fully recovered yet?
I've long felt that S&W signed a pact with the devil (the Statehouse in Boston) to remain one of the few guns we can acquire here in the Peoples Republic! They caved to both MA and CA with their infernal, internal lock on revolvers and are one of the few auto-loading pistol manufacturers that are well represented on our "list"! Every time I think about buying a S&W product, I remember these facts and waffle...
I still don't own a S&W product but I won't rid myself of my 44 year old Wingmaster! It's too good and it's not the guns fault its current owners are catering to the enemy!
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What Timothy Said^
A boycott of "everything" Remington would have repercussions across the country. Not just in NY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Arms
Production sites
Remington has several production facilities today.
Corporate Headquarters: The corporate headquarters for Remington Arms is located at Madison, North Carolina.
Firearms Plants: Remington owns two firearms plants. The larger plant is located in Ilion, New York, at the historic site. This plant also is home to Remington's Powdered Metal Products Division. A new, state-of-the-art firearms facility was recently built in Mayfield, Kentucky.
Ammunition and Components Plant: Formerly developed in Bridgeport, Connecticut, All of Remington's ammunition is now developed at the 35-year old plant in Lonoke, Arkansas. This plant also is home to Remington's Industrial Products Division, and Ammunition Product Services. The old ammunition factory in Bridgeport was investigated by the Travel Channels, Ghost Adventures in 2009. The site was eventually purchased by Peter DiNardo Enterprises Inc. and is scheduled for demolition.[12]
Custom Plant: Custom firearms are hand-crafted by professional gunsmiths at the Ilion, New York facility.
Technical Center: The technical and research center for Remington is located in Elizabethtown, Kentucky.
Target Plants: Remington has two target plants. They are in Findlay, Ohio and Ada, Oklahoma.
Snippet from TTAG:
During the Sandy Hook spree killing, Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15. Bushmaster is part of the Freedom Group, a farrago of gun and ammo-related companies assembled by Cerberus Capital Management. Which also includes Remington.
After Newtown, the California State Teachers’ Retirement System informed Cerberus that it was “reviewing” its $751.4m portfolio with the private investment firm— unless the fund dumped the Freedom Group. So Cerberus put the Freedom Group, including Remington, up for sale. No word yet on who or when but . . .
Cerberus is thinking short-term; it’s pump and dump time. (The original strategy that didn’t pan out.) Spending millions moving Remington out of New York is so not part of the plan. Sucking on the taxpayer tit is. In fact, one wonders what New York offered Remington in terms of incentives and tax abatements to keep the manufacturer in-state — despite the fact that the parent company makes evil assault rifles that can no longer be sold in New York.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/04/robert-farago/remington-staying-in-new-york-boycott-to-follow/
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Keep the Wingmaster from 1957 fatbaldguy, it's a family thing, not the Wingmasters fault. My 870 isnt responsible either.
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I've owned Remington guns over the years , but I've never been fanatic.
I just happened to acquire them .
What I am about to write applies ONLY to Colt, Remington and S&W .
I know all the very good arguments for leaving anti gun states , but the idea of those 3 companies completely abandoning these historic sites strikes me the same as moving London Bridge to Arizona.
It may be the same company, but it would seem to have lost something.
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"It may be the same company, but it would seem to have lost something." Yeah, Tom: the shackles of tyranny. I too have an 870, but it has a sunset clause: it's in 16 gauge. So when a part fails I intend to put it over the mantle out in the garage!
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Whether or not they move will not effect my buying since they are not on my list of wants .
The things I want are made as well or better for less by other Companies .
But when you consider that most modern machining practices were developed for these companies that date back as far as 1800 or so it would be nice to see the old factories at least made into museums to remind people that in the past Americans were not a bunch of pussies.
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The decision to relocate an extensive manufacturing and production facility is incredibly complex and expensive. I certainly respect those companies that decide to relocate and I hope that each one experiences the success they deserve. However, I do not automatically rebuke those businesses that decide to stay.
Only a handful of the most senior management staff will have all of the information necessary to fully understand the consequences of moving verses staying. There are legal, contractual, technical, and workforce considerations. There are also ethical and legal responsibilities to shareholders and investors. There are relationships with vendors, suppliers, and transportation resources that must be evaluated. Does the manufacturing facility have specific railroad or trucking requirements? Are any unions involved and what are the implications of union involvement in contractual negotiations? What about federal licensing and plant certifications? The list of details goes on and on.
The decision to relocate can be relatively simple for a small, privately owned company whose manufacturing and production requirements are easily established elsewhere. For a large and complex operation with practically irreplaceable ties to local resources, the decision to move is much more difficult. In the final analysis, some companies may find that moving is simply not an option if they hope to remain viable. We should not rebuke a company for wanting to stay in business.
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The decision to relocate can be relatively simple for a small, privately owned company whose manufacturing and production requirements are easily established elsewhere. For a large and complex operation with practically irreplaceable ties to local resources, the decision to move is much more difficult. In the final analysis, some companies may find that moving is simply not an option if they hope to remain viable. We should not rebuke a company for wanting to stay in business.
It would be the death blow to my company! Might as well close the doors...
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This the truth. If the skill set you need is widely available you can move. If you rely on skilled long term employees, it ain't so easy, because they have family and community ties that probably outweigh the job options, even you gave them a raise and paid their expenses. The transition fom upstate NY tor Arkansas would be a hard sell to the fam.. OTOH, if they're POed and want to go? Good for them.
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This the truth. If the skill set you need is widely available you can move. If you rely on skilled long term employees, it ain't so easy, because they have family and community ties that probably outweigh the job options, even you gave them a raise and paid their expenses. The transition fom upstate NY tor Arkansas would be a hard sell to the fam.. OTOH, if they're POed and want to go? Good for them.
In the case of a gun company moving is not that complicated .
I can't speak on business matters or permits for the bluing operation , but as far as the actual factory it is nothing but another machine shop, and skilled labor is not the issue you might think.
All it really takes is one skilled machinist per 3 or 4 machines to do set ups and over see parts shifters.
You would also need a good QA department to catch the mistakes.
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I would agree that finding qualifed machinist would be pretty easy. I would say the bluing process would be very hard in lots of states. Often shops that do that type of work are grandfathered in.
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We should not rebuke a company for wanting to stay in business.
Oh, but we shall. Principle and profit, by showing some intestinal fortitude, and perhaps short term losses, or: Long term abandonment by once loyal customers. I'm certain 'they' can make more in the short term with .gov contracts. When the consumer chooses another option in the long term, 'they' just might feel 'it'. My opinion is worth exactly what it costs.
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Oh, but we shall. Principle and profit, by showing some intestinal fortitude, and perhaps short term losses, or: Long term abandonment by once loyal customers. I'm certain 'they' can make more in the short term with .gov contracts. When the consumer chooses another option in the long term, 'they' just might feel 'it'. My opinion is worth exactly what it costs.
This is where it will fall apart.
By the time the .gov contracts and back orders run out, the average person will have completely forgotten about it.
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This is where it will fall apart.
By the time the .gov contracts and back orders run out, the average person will have completely forgotten about it.
Too true. Dancing with the Leftists, and whatever that other one is will have all of the sheeple's attention.
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Bread and circuses for the masses keeps any resistance from gaining momentum.
Along with an education industry geared toward suppressing independent thought and a captive media to cater to the lower intelligence.