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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Ksail101 on April 15, 2013, 03:22:43 PM
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I'm sure you all have seen now the bombing at the Boston Marathon. Don't you all hate when we are right? We been telling the world since Conn shooting happened. It doesn't matter guns or no guns there are sick people out there and mass killings will happen weather it's with a spoon, a bomb, or a gun.
Still somehow I know the liberals will blame radical gun owners for this.
Let me add. My heart goes to all that has been effected. My country is under attack from a hidden villain. I fear and pray for all of our futures. I hope that an incident like this will bring everyone together and realize it isn't just one thing or group of people who enjoy their rights. I hope in coming together a strong defense and offense is put into place by "we the people." If we stand united and all of us understand the truths and horrors of the world from incidents like this and others and not blame law abiding Americans but realize the real enemy and threat of our country and where it comes from. We stand as a nation once again and instill a fear and power through out the world that we are America. And this republic works.
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I heard a talking head on CNN say it may have been Al Qaeda or "some other right wing group."
Never let a crisis go to waste.
The bastards.
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All I've heard was that a Nigerian and a Kenyan won.
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I heard a talking head on CNN say it may have been Al Qaeda or "some other right wing group."
Never let a crisis go to waste.
The bastards.
They let Ft. Hood go to waste pretty damn quick though didn't they?
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I know in the wake of things we must be above our opponents who use these tragedies to push their agendas. But I sure would like an Apology from some many who said guns are the problem. And the reason these things happen. Cause when I pointed out take away guns and you get things like this. I was called a fear monger. That I was crazy. And bombings won't happen here. "It's all guns."
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To many oddities for it to be coordinated and organized, IMO. The vidoe of both explosions look to be fairly low yield, small plume, blast wave didn't seem overly powrful. Not a lot of frag either or the body count would have been exponentially higher. People approx 30-40 ft away were barely effected. Suitcase or smaller device, no additional frag, maybe some glass. Why set it off three hours after the winners passed, after most of the TV crews were packing up and or gone? Hit it when the first group come in and it's WELL covered as opposed to one or two outlets and cell cameras. I'd ALMOST say specific target, but why multiple devices and timed differently? If you're setting off multiples, set the first and wait until all the first responders get on scene to set the second, increased panic. Not very sophisticated if they weren't detonated together, and the third+ device didn't go at all.
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J- that was my first thought that there was a specific target they were going after. But now it just looks like a bungled op. Mis-timed and if what I am reading is true multiple devices are being found. So maybe like you said a bunch of people carrying bags or something were all supposed to set them down and all go off at the same time and with so many people involved things are bound to get messed up. Just a thought have no proof of anything. It's a shame either way. This kind of thing is supposed to be stopped by homeland security.
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I heard one report that they were holding a suspect at a hospital. Definitely sounds like amateur night.
Even though it could have been much worse, it is still a major travesty with people losing their lives and many injuries.
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It was correctly timed. You set off when the winers are there there a dozen people. Set it off when the bulk of the pack arrives? You get lots more. Apparently they're saying now that there were four devices found. Apparently the last two were either duds or designed for first responders. In other bad news, it is Patriot's day in Mass, and tax day. If this is home grown I'll wring the guy's neck.
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If this is home grown I'll wring the guy's neck.
Nope Saudi National. You know, those people that aren't a threat that the Administration wanted to let bybass TSA.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_under_suspect_guard_y2m8cJO29uC2PDGIjYBalO
(http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_under_suspect_guard_y2m8cJO29uC2PDGIjYBalO)
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Sauidi National. If they were working as a Parking Meter Attendant, this might be classified as Workplace Violence.
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We'll (well some) will hear from him at 6:10 when he's making a press statement. Frankly, I'll give it a miss. I wouldn't watch this guy guy if he were giving a speech appointing me as ambassador to the Bahamas.
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Low velocity blasts with yellow, white smoke. If it was Tannerite.....Ban, Ban, Ban........It's for the children. ::)
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Did some right-wing yahoo upload a new anti-Islam/Mohammed video to YouTube today? Did the perps use "assault explosives"? Will Congress, the Community Organizer-in-Chief, and the Media demand we register all Muslims? Maybe register conservatives? Tea Party members? If we can save just one life.... Ah well, at this point, "what difference does it make."
Prayers up for the poor victims of yet another sick demonstration of man's inhumanity to man.
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Heard a report an 8 year old was one of the deaths. No bueno. So much I want to say about Obama now. And I feel horrible for having this anger after what has just happened. But I almost feel like a man on death row and was proved innocent. Yet I still know how much we are still in it.
I should be grieving instead I feel political angst.
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I expect the anti's to amend and or create a new push,.....
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/04/foghorn/boston-bombings-may-spark-restrictions-on-reloading-components-tannerite/
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However, while these products are used by the truckload every day by thousands of law abiding citizens, some people have abused this access and used the propellants for evil. Pipe bombs can be constructed using nothing more than some loose gunpowder and a few components from the hardware store, a device which has been used to deadly effect in the past. And while each time such a bombing has occurred Congress has steered clear of regulating gunpowder for citizens, in the current post-Newtown haze and with this recent tragedy fresh in people’s minds it isn’t a big leap to think that Congress might look to “do something” about these components as well.
Gun owners are the new favorite class of citizen to pick on for all of society’s ills. It makes sense that, even if we eventually learn that gunpowder had nothing to do with this latest attack, millions of gun owners might yet see some negative fallout from the actions of yet another deranged attacker.
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Sign on FB I just saw -
When the next terrorist attack occurs by some Saudi National, remember that DHS has been watching ME!
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We all know that this tragedy will be exploited to make us "safer."
All it will cost us is the loss of more freedoms and the addition of more bloated and ineffective government agencies/programs/laws.
Maybe they can put the people that couldn't get jobs a fast-food joint, a.k.a the TSA, on street corners to grope us.
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So far no one has used a Boston source .
Here's what they've been saying, with video, on channel 4 .
2 bombs , 1 right at the finish line, 1 up the street 50 -100 yrds away.
2 dead, 55 injured .
UNCONFIRMED reports of 2 others being found, 1 at an undisclosed location and1 at a nearby Hotel .
There was a earlier unconfirmed report that a 3rd bomb had been found right under the grandstand .
There was also a fire at the JFK Library in South Boston, that is no longer believed to be connected.
Cops have security camera footage of a guy with backpacks putting one in a trash can , or putting SOMETHING in a trash can.
The State Rep, Keating, was on the phone saying since it was April 15th it must be some "anti Govt" thing.
(yes, he's atypical Masshole )
A Saudi Arabian who was seen running away from the area is being questioned by "law enforcement"
If you have friends or family in Boston do not try to call them.
Cell phone service to a large area has been shut off in case that was how the bombs were detonated .
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/dozens-people-injured-explosion-boston-marathon-190955311.html
I see the casualty count is up to 105 now.
Every cut finger in East Boston will be showing up to cash in.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/15/boston-marathon-explosions-already-being-blamed-on-the-right/
They (the unbridled MSM/Progressive Left) knows nothing of decency.
Just like Bloomberg shot his mouth off after the Times Square attempt.....
Clowns.
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NY Post reports ten amputees. Yikes! That sure as hell wasn't tannerite. Whoever did this knew what they were doing.
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NY Post reports ten amputees. Yikes! That sure as hell wasn't tannerite. Whoever did this knew what they were doing.
How the hell does the NY Post know anything ?
I'd put a tad more faith in the Boston reports since it HAPPENED THERE .
By the way, most of the incorrect reports, like the "bomb" at the JFK Library,
came from NY.
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How the hell does the NY Post know anything ?
I'd put a tad more faith in the Boston reports since it HAPPENED THERE .
By the way, most of the incorrect reports, like the "bomb" at the JFK Library,
came from NY.
My guess would be they have a stringer with a scanner monitoring EMS traffic. At least that's how I'd do it.
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It was correctly timed. You set off when the winers are there there a dozen people. Set it off when the bulk of the pack arrives? You get lots more. Apparently they're saying now that there were four devices found. Apparently the last two were either duds or designed for first responders. In other bad news, it is Patriot's day in Mass, and tax day. If this is home grown I'll wring the guy's neck.
There's a hole in your theory FQ. True terrorists don't actually care about body count unless it increases visibility. If the devices go off when the winners show up there's plenty of news crews/visibility. A bunch of no names and the press is gone, no visibility. Again, this was ameture hour so he might have dork up his timing.
As far as the NY Post, their getting the same AP report as Yahoo and everybody else.
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There's a hole in your theory FQ. True terrorists don't actually care about body count unless it increases visibility. If the devices go off when the winners show up there's plenty of news crews/visibility. A bunch of no names and the press is gone, no visibility. Again, this was ameture hour so he might have dork up his timing.
As far as the NY Post, their getting the same AP report as Yahoo and everybody else.
The whole in J's theory is that here were news crews all over the area when the bombs went off .
In fact, the winners had been announced more than an hour before the bombs were even placed.
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Like I said, amature hour.
If there was so many stations still rolling, why is all the footage the same couple of clips, replayed over and over?
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The "ball-bearings"/"shrapnel" reports are also starting to become more consistant. As well as the "couple other" devices found along the route.
Who knows right now....Sandy Hook had the AR left in the car at this timeline.... ???
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Tom I rarely side with you. Lol Jk. But the New York Post is blasting 12 dead. No one else is even close to that number. But everyone else may be wrong. Btw I have been in the Boston Globe website as much as possible. Just figured everyone else knows the same info so I didn't start the topic off with "facts". I was just waiting to get blamed and have my 2 mins of screw you to the liberals. It's not the guns. But that moment is fading fast with the more right wing wako stuff coming out.
Bloomberg is an ass clown why do people put stock into what he says. He could say the bomb was detonated by an AR and people would believe him.
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I am in agreement this is a Rogue Jihad (dont know if an actual group will claim this). But done completely by an amateur.
The things going for them is this. This is a world event. Not just your local MLB team playing a game. So all eyes are on this race. But the timing was way off. Yes cameras caught it but like I first suspected I thought there was a target not just random bombing. But that is looking to more or less proved to not be. So for getting max pub and max pain something went wrong. Thankfully.
Still the blasts were big enough to cause significant shockwave damage. For the blast size frag is minimal. Even with the ball bearings reports and a hundred wounded. That number would be much higher with an hour or two earlier detonation and steal cased bombs like we see over seas with IEDs of old mortar rounds and such.
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Since I live here, it's been live coverage for the last five hours. Pre-empting local programming on all stations.
What has been reported thus far;
2 dead one of which was an 8 year old child, 100+ injured with multiple amputations reported from local hospitals around Boston.
2 additional devices located, nothing further to report.
The fire at the JFK library was unrelated as reported by the BPD and FBI.
I watched the explosions multiple times since about 3:30. The first was directly across from the main grandstand that had families from the Sandy Hook incident. Not known how many may have stayed since the race winners were already through at 2:30. Another blast can be seen on the video about 100 yards further up the street.
There are no news crews allowed in the area at the moment!
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It doesn't matter who ultimately did it. It will be someone who is a NRA member who was found to have a large "arsenal" of six guns in their home and was a member of the Tea Party. I hate to be cynical at this hour, but we have been through too much not to expect some bullsh!t like this.
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Since I live here, it's been live coverage for the last five hours. Pre-empting local programming on all stations.
What has been reported thus far;
2 dead one of which was an 8 year old child, 100+ injured with multiple amputations reported from local hospitals around Boston.
2 additional devices located, nothing further to report.
The fire at the JFK library was unrelated as reported by the BPD and FBI.
I watched the explosions multiple times since about 3:30. The first was directly across from the main grandstand that had families from the Sandy Hook incident. Not known how many may have stayed since the race winners were already through at 2:30. Another blast can be seen on the video about 100 yards further up the street.
There are no news crews allowed in the area at the moment!
Not to make light of this but 2 things come to mind, 1st, this is Boston, from the facts so far it could be the last of the IRA .
The 2nd is this,
"The first was directly across from the main grandstand that had families from the Sandy Hook incident."
How bad does your luck have to be ?
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It doesn't matter who ultimately did it. It will be someone who is a NRA member who was found to have a large "arsenal" of six guns in their home and was a member of the Tea Party. I hate to be cynical at this hour, but we have been through too much not to expect some bullsh!t like this.
Or a Muslim meter maid as someone suggested and it becomes another "work place violence" incident.
Tom I rarely side with you. Lol Jk. But the New York Post is blasting 12 dead. No one else is even close to that number. But everyone else may be wrong. Btw I have been in the Boston Globe website as much as possible. Just figured everyone else knows the same info so I didn't start the topic off with "facts". I was just waiting to get blamed and have my 2 mins of screw you to the liberals. It's not the guns. But that moment is fading fast with the more right wing wako stuff coming out.
Bloomberg is an ass clown why do people put stock into what he says. He could say the bomb was detonated by an AR and people would believe him.
Are you old enough to remember the Charlie Foxtrot after the Atlanta Olympic Games ?
They had , of course, all kinds of extra security, the first guy they arrested was the 1st security guard to spot the bomb.
He had "material similar to what was used in the bomb".
Turned out what he had was duct tape.
He spent a couple months in jail the sued the ever living snot out of everyone in sight.
They never had a clue about the real bomber until Eric Rudolph was identified in an abortion bombing.
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Firstly condolences to all the families of those that was killed or maimed in this cowardly attack.
Secondly you know the government will use this as a further excuse to take away law abiding peoples rights to make it "safer" for all.
TSA will be grinning from ear to ear, home land security will be crawling up congresses ass for more funding and dimwit politicians will be thinking of new laws to pass not because they have to, but because they can.
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Are you old enough to remember the Charlie Foxtrot after the Atlanta Olympic Games ?
They had , of course, all kinds of extra security, the first guy they arrested was the 1st security guard to spot the bomb.
He had "material similar to what was used in the bomb".
Turned out what he had was duct tape.
He spent a couple months in jail the sued the ever living snot out of everyone in sight.
They never had a clue about the real bomber until Eric Rudolph was identified in an abortion bombing.
And the security guard to whom you are referring is Richard Jewell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell
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Body count is now up to 3. Ft. Hood was, "Workplace Violence" because a Muslim did it. I guess if another one turns up connected to this, it will become an act of, "Recreational Violence". ::)
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condolences to all the families and everyone involved
I however am sickened by the coverage that news.com.au and a few others here in Aust.
there are pics that just did not need to be posted, how about a little respect for the victims
not that i can not look at them ( i seen a lot worse and dose not fuss me ) it is the blatant disregard for everyone :( that is what really pissed me off about it
and no i not posting links however when the title on the frontage is "THIS IS THE CARNAGE THE BASTARDS LEFT BEHIND" with a photo of the seen just after it happened very disappointing
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Richard Jewell sued the New York Post for 15 million. I guess the 12 dead story really is BS. Those guys sure love a bombing don't they.
And Phil the wonderful, liberal, Obama loving, Huffington Post has pics all over their website of a guy with no legs in a wheelchair getting pushed by first responders and multiple other blood strewn pics. I can't believe it. Like they want to show the world a guy with legs blown off. Like its art. f..k them for that. Excuse my language.
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There's a hole in your theory FQ. True terrorists don't actually care about body count unless it increases visibility. If the devices go off when the winners show up there's plenty of news crews/visibility.
They would never bomb the winners. The winners are inevitably going to be Kenyans and they certainly wouldn't want to hurt anyone from Obammy's home country.
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No official word yet, but they searched an apartment in Revere last night and still seem to be focused on the Saudi Arabian student.
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I saw that too, but multiple outlets are now reporting that there was nothing there and he is less a person of interest now.
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They're saying this was a "Pressure Cooker Bomb". This is the first I've heard of this. They said it is similar to the car bombs manufactured in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Does anyone have the skinny on this?
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They have 2 possible suspects...well, three, but two of them appear to be working as a team.
Two are an elderly retired couple who are believed to be radical Tea Party supports. The man was carrying what has been described as a deadly looking cane.
The other suspect was a 30-35 year old white Caucasian male, seen cheering suspiciously for one of the runners at the finish line. He was wearing clothing associated with militant gangs, an NRA ball cap and a Gadsden Flag T-Shirt.
Do not approach or attempt to detain these suspects if seen, they are considered armed and dangerous.
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Excuse me if I spell this wrong Ricen sent to Mississippi senator. That will be a left wing abortion nut. Just thought id point out the left wing nuts since all us conservatives are suspects today. (According to CNN)
How fast they forget Christopher Dornor or however you spell the nut cop name.
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Ksail, they (the MSM) forget Occupy, ELF, and the other far left folks,....(Bill Ayers comes to mind),...
And the new Professor at Columbia University, recently released from prison....
In 1981, when she was 38 years old, Boudin, along with several members of the Weather Underground and Black Liberation Army, participated in an armed robbery of a Brinks armored car, taking $1.6 million in cash. When police caught up to the getaway car (a U-Haul), Boudin, according to police testimony, reportedly exited the getaway truck, feigned innocence and, when the officers dropped their weapons, six of the men in the back of the getaway truck appeared with automatic weapons, overwhelming the four police officers. Two officers were shot to death on the scene, bringing the death toll to three. Boudin served 22 years in prison and was paroled in 2003.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-blasts-columbias-hiring-of-weather-underground-radical-and-lefts-stranglehold-on-academia/
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Just a minor work related "incident"....
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Ricin .
I just saw something on the news about it . They said the test was notoriously inaccurate and the package had been sent for further, more reliable, testing .
They also said the package was intercepted well before it ever got to the Capital or his office.
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Ksail, they (the MSM) forget Occupy, ELF, and the other far left folks,....(Bill Ayers comes to mind),...
And the new Professor at Columbia University, recently released from prison....
In 1981, when she was 38 years old, Boudin, along with several members of the Weather Underground and Black Liberation Army, participated in an armed robbery of a Brinks armored car, taking $1.6 million in cash. When police caught up to the getaway car (a U-Haul), Boudin, according to police testimony, reportedly exited the getaway truck, feigned innocence and, when the officers dropped their weapons, six of the men in the back of the getaway truck appeared with automatic weapons, overwhelming the four police officers. Two officers were shot to death on the scene, bringing the death toll to three. Boudin served 22 years in prison and was paroled in 2003.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-blasts-columbias-hiring-of-weather-underground-radical-and-lefts-stranglehold-on-academia/
How the hell do you kill 2 cops in a multi million dollar armed robbery and get off with only 22 years? In most states that's a "Class X Felony" that carries either the death penalty or life without the possibility of parole.
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How the hell do you kill 2 cops in a multi million dollar armed robbery and get off with only 22 years? In most states that's a "Class X Felony" that carries either the death penalty or life without the possibility of parole.
And forget that, how do you score a job at Colombia? Hell, I worked my ass off to get a job at a third rate college in East Nowhere Indiana, and I never shot anybody.
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You have to be an anti American Communist terrorist from the era when it was cool.
You know, the era around which so many of us were getting our asses shot off.
I've said it before, WE LOST THE COLD WAR.
When we were wasting time and money fighting in Vt we should have been dropping napalm on Berkley.