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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: philw on April 19, 2013, 12:35:06 AM
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not sure if this is related to the bombing yet though
http://www.news.com.au/world-news/north-america/reports-of-gunshots-at-major-boston-university/story-fnh81jut-1226624370358
A GUNMAN is on the run in a stolen vehicle after shooting dead a police officer at a major Boston university. LIVE UPDATES BELOW.
3.10PM AEST:
One suspect is on the way to the hospital as a second suspect is being held at gunpoint.
2.39PM AEST:
A policeman was shot multiple times and died as a result of his injuries during an incident at MIT.
A statement issued by the Middlesex District Attorney Michael Pelgro said:
"An MIT campus police officer responding to a report of a disturbance in the area of Vasser and Main streets was reportedly shot. According to authorities, the officer was found evidencing multiple gunshot wounds.
"He was transported to the hospital and pronounced deceased."
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WATERTOWN, Mass. (AP) — Two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing killed an MIT police officer, injured a transit officer in a firefight and threw explosive devices at police during their getaway attempt in a long night of violence that left one of them dead and another still at large Friday, authorities said as the manhunt intensified for a young man described as a dangerous terrorist.
The suspects were identified to The Associated Press as coming from the Russian region near Chechnya, which has been plagued by an Islamic insurgency stemming from separatist wars. A law enforcement intelligence bulletin obtained by the AP identified the surviving bomb suspect as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, a 19-year-old who had been living in Cambridge, Mass.
Two law enforcement officials told the AP that Tsarnaev and the other suspect, who was not immediately identified, had been living legally in the U.S. for at least one year.
In Boston, still on edge over the attack on the marathon, and its western suburbs, authorities suspended mass transit and urged people to stay indoors as they searched for the remaining suspect, a man seen wearing a white baseball cap on surveillance footage from Monday's deadly bombing at the marathon finish line.
"We believe this man to be a terrorist," said Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis. "We believe this to be a man who's come here to kill people."
Authorities urged residents in Watertown, Newton, Arlington, Waltham, Belmont, Cambridge and the Allston-Brighton neighborhoods of Boston to stay indoors. At least a quarter of a million people live in those suburbs. All mass transit was shut down, and businesses were asked not to open Friday. People waiting at bus and subway stops were told to go home.
All modes of public transportation were shut down, including buses, subways, trolleys, commuter rail and boats, said Joe Pesaturo, spokesman for the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority.
The suspects' clashes with police began only a few hours after the FBI released photos and videos of the two young men, who were seen carrying backpacks as they mingled among marathon revelers. The bombings on Monday killed three people and wounded more than 180 others, and authorities revealed the images to enlist the public's help finding the suspects.
The images released by the FBI depict two young men, each wearing a baseball cap, walking one behind the other near the finish line. Richard DesLauriers, FBI agent in charge in Boston, said the suspect in the white hat was seen setting down a bag at the site of the second of two deadly explosions.
Authorities said surveillance tape recorded late Thursday showed the suspect known for the white hat during a robbery of a convenience store in Cambridge, near the campus of MIT, where a university police officer was killed while responding to a report of a disturbance, said State Police Col Timothy Alben. The officer died of multiple gunshot wounds.
From there, authorities say, the two men carjacked a man in a Mercedes-Benz, keeping him with them in the car for half an hour before releasing him at a gas station in Cambridge. The man was not injured.
The search for the vehicle led to a chase that ended in Watertown, where authorities said the suspects threw explosive devices from the car and exchanged gunfire with police. A transit police officer was seriously injured during the chase, authorities said.
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Evidently these two animals are relatively recent immigrants from Chechnya, are likely Sunni/Wahabist Muslims. They, or their parents, were allowed entry to USA as "war refugees".
Questions:
Who "radicalized" and/or trained these two?
Where were they radicalized/trained?
Who funded and/or supplied them with weapons and explosives?
Were these two terrorists given "comprehensive background checks" if they purchased their own firearms? If they were, why didn't "Chechnya" and "resident alien" raise alarm flags with the FBI/DHS?
Why are people from radicalized Islamic countries allowed to reside in the USA in the first place?
The entire city of Boston is in "lockdown" with hordes of militarized police patrolling the streets, a scene common to nations that border Islamic nations or have large Islamic populations within their borders. Citizens are trapped in their houses while a "heavily armed" terrorist is loose in their town.
Choices:
Cower in your own home and hope like hell the M4/Tactical-Shotgun-toting police can protect you.
Arm yourself with your own AR15/Tactical Shotgun and at least be assured you and your family will have a fighting chance if the terrorist attempts entry to your home.
Lots of questions which, if "Suspect Number Two" is killed, may not be answered.
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Oh great just heard the one still alive may have an "assault" weapon. You know where I'm going with that.
Just insane footage of shooting on the net. Sounds like a war zone. These guys really didnt think they would be caught and that they could strike again. That's why they didnt blown them selves up or run.
Large extreme Muslim factions in Chechnya. Something I didnt really know. I know it's been a very violent war zone for control of the area. That movie Act of Valor focuses on this type of group and I thought it was fake in the sense of the Muslim extremist view.
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Large extreme Muslim factions in Chechnya. Something I didnt really know. I know it's been a very violent war zone for control of the area. That movie Act of Valor focuses on this type of group and I thought it was fake in the sense of the Muslim extremist view.
Read American Sniper and get Chris Kyle's take on these animals. He calls them savages. The first person he shot over there was a woman with a child in her arms throwing a grenade at the Marines. No concern about what would happen to her or her child.
I don't believe we have a point of reference when it comes to this enemy, unless you go back to the late 19th/early 20th century when commanders knew how to deal with this type of behavior and it sure as hell wasn't Resolution 101, more like violence of action, enough to remove the enemies will to fight.
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Doesn't take much, or a whole lot of people to create mayhem. Just an observation.
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Or get your 4th Amendment rights suspended!!!
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Chechnya and Russia have fought 2 very nasty wars in the last few years.
These 2 were probably fully trained before they came here.
Suspect #2 if he had any sense and a little nerve probably grabbed a clip board and walked right through all those thousands of NG troops, local, state and federal cops who don't know each other by sight.
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Tim- Just an observation (and I know this is an extreme situation) but its as my dad always told me don't pay your taxes and find out who really owns your property.
I would allow officers into my house though in this situation if I was asked. If the barged in I would be angry but could maybe understand after a while of thought and calming down. I'd much rather have a trained swat officer search my crawl space and attic if they are accessible from the outside than myself.
Which actually may be something we talk about on here. Many of us have crawl spaces and attics in garages and/or access under under our houses from the outside. Something seriously consider securing in some way. Many people just ah e boards or chicken wire covering them. I used to work for a heating and AC company and spent alot of time in those areas.
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Tom- there has been interviews with kids that went to high school with the younger one. All have said they didn't know he had a brother and family was never involved at school. He was an outstanding wrestler and student. But since graduating he fell off the earth. Don't know if that means he went home or went to college. But he is very traceable. The older one has pics of him boxing here in the usa on reddit.
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Evidently these two animals are relatively recent immigrants from Chechnya, are likely Sunni/Wahabist Muslims. They, or their parents, were allowed entry to USA as "war refugees".
Questions:
Who "radicalized" and/or trained these two?
Where were they radicalized/trained?
Who funded and/or supplied them with weapons and explosives?
Were these two terrorists given "comprehensive background checks" if they purchased their own firearms? If they were, why didn't "Chechnya" and "resident alien" raise alarm flags with the FBI/DHS?
Why are people from radicalized Islamic countries allowed to reside in the USA in the first place?
The entire city of Boston is in "lockdown" with hordes of militarized police patrolling the streets, a scene common to nations that border Islamic nations or have large Islamic populations within their borders. Citizens are trapped in their houses while a "heavily armed" terrorist is loose in their town.
Choices:
Cower in your own home and hope like hell the M4/Tactical-Shotgun-toting police can protect you.
Arm yourself with your own AR15/Tactical Shotgun and at least be assured you and your family will have a fighting chance if the terrorist attempts entry to your home.
Lots of questions which, if "Suspect Number Two" is killed, may not be answered.
I heard on MSNBC(D) this AM that they may have been in the US for up to ten years.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/boston-mit-shooting-explosion-suspect-watertown-064355149.html
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The suspect on the lam is Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass., a registered student at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. He and his brother's family is originally from Chechnya, a volatile and once war-torn southern Russian republic. The family fled to Kyrgyzstan and eventually immigrated to the United States as refugees about 10 years ago.
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The suspects' uncle told the local CBS News station that the pair had lived in the country since 2002.
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The Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed law enforcement sources, said that one or both of the brothers traveled back to the Caucasus region of Russia for a year or more before returning to America again.
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I have this sick feeling in my stomach that fellow student/friend is hiding him. Multiple teenagers have reportedly told police there is no way he would have done this. He had to be forced by someone.
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Tim- Just an observation (and I know this is an extreme situation) but its as my dad always told me don't pay your taxes and find out who really owns your property.
I would allow officers into my house though in this situation if I was asked. If the barged in I would be angry but could maybe understand after a while of thought and calming down. I'd much rather have a trained swat officer search my crawl space and attic if they are accessible from the outside than myself.
Which actually may be something we talk about on here. Many of us have crawl spaces and attics in garages and/or access under under our houses from the outside. Something seriously consider securing in some way. Many people just ah e boards or chicken wire covering them. I used to work for a heating and AC company and spent alot of time in those areas.
Ksail,
My point was more to the sweeping powers of the Patriot Act. Pretty scary to think that the .gov, local and SP can shut down the greater Boston area of 4.25 million people with the stroke of a pen! This is happening just down the road from me, BTW!
I too, under the circumstances, would be willing to allow a search of the property if I felt it warranted but it's still a bit of a sticky situation to think I might be arrested if I chose to exercise my rights!
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If they barged (Armed people knocking down a door would be poor operating procedure in a free(armed) society) in I would be angry but could maybe understand after a while of thought and calming down. I'd much rather have a trained swat officer search my crawl space and attic if they are accessible from the outside than myself.
Which actually may be something we talk about on here. Many of us have crawl spaces and attics in garages and/or access under under our houses from the outside. Something seriously consider securing in some way. Many people just ah e boards or chicken wire covering them. I used to work for a heating and AC company and spent alot of time in those areas.
In my experience most crawl spaces out west are only accessible from the interior. We have a trap door in a closet in our house and the same in the house I grew up in (other places I lived were slab foundations).