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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Magoo541 on April 22, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
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http://www.examiner.com/article/with-support-for-semi-auto-ban-reid-completes-conversion-to-dark-side (http://www.examiner.com/article/with-support-for-semi-auto-ban-reid-completes-conversion-to-dark-side)
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid today pledged support for Dianne Feinstein’s “assault weapon” ban, Grace Wyler of Business Insider reported following his speech from the Senate floor.
“I will vote for Dianne Feinstein's assault weapons ban," Reid stated. “I will vote for [an] assault weapons ban because maintaining law and order and saving lives is more important than preventing imagined tyranny. Today I choose to vote my conscience, not only as Harry Reid, a United States Senator, but also as a husband, a father, a grandfather, and -- I hope -- a friend to lots and lots of people.”
This comes full circle from a few years back, when NRA’s Wayne LaPierre described Reid as “a true champion of the Second Amendment” and the powerhouse gun group not only donated to the Reid campaign, but refused to back his Republican challenger in his last election, even though Reid was scored with a lower grade.
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Statement of Reid campaign manager Brandon Hall on NRA endorsement in Nevada US Senate race
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"The NRA’s relationship with Sen. Reid has been long-standing and productive and – unlike for Sharron Angle – they’ve put their money where their mouth is this cycle. Along with their financial support, the declaration of NRA head Wayne LaPierre that Sen. Reid is 'a true champion of the Second Amendment' and that 'no one has been a stronger advocate for responsible gun ownership than him' shows beyond a doubt that the NRA believes Sen. Reid to be a strong advocate for Nevadans’ Second Amendment rights in the US Senate."
http://www.harryreid.com/ee/index.php/news/release/statement_of_reid_campaign_manager_brandon_hall_on_nra_endorsement_in_
The NRA Got Harry Reid Re-Elected
Posted on January 10, 2013 by Gary DeMar
There was a good chance of getting rid of Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) in 2010 until Wayne LaPierre of the NRA descended on Nevada and endorsed the liberal stalwart. Reid used a lot of tax-payer money to build a state-of-the-art gun range in Nevada, the Clark County Shooting Park. Why did he do it? To buy off the NRA and Second Amendment supporters. It’s not like Reid’s 2010 opponent was anti-Second Amendment.
The following is from a 2010 story in The Las Vegas Sun: “Everyone has said this is the greatest park in the United States of America, but I say it’s the greatest gun park in the world,” Reid said. “I know how you worked,” LaPierre said to Reid before turning back to the audience. “[This] would not have opened without the work of Sen. Reid.”
It shouldn’t have opened using tax-payer money. Why should money taken from people in Georgia where I live be used to fund a gun park in Nevada. If the people of Nevada want a gun park, let them pay for it. Better yet, let gun enthusiasts use their own money to fund the $61 million project.
LaPaierre and the NRA are compromised:
“After all, [the NRA] gave Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid nearly $5,000 of their members’ cash to go along with an ‘A’ rating in 2010.
“Now [Reid’s] twisting the arms of U.S. Senators to stay in line for Obama’s anti-gun schemes.
“Democrats Mark Warner, Bob Casey and Joe Manchin all received high marks from the NRA, and are now also jumping off the bandwagon, as well.”
The NRA is the establishment gun rights group. There are better ones out there. Consider Gun Owners of America headed by Larry Pratt.
Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/8917/the-nra-got-harry-reid-re-elected/#ixzz2RjSEKe3m
Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/8917/the-nra-got-harry-reid-re-elected/#ixzz2RjS0FTV8
I belong to Gun Owners of America.
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The NRA is the establishment gun rights group. There are better ones out there. Consider Gun Owners of America headed by Larry Pratt.
While groups like GOA, or JFPO may be a closer match to your personal opinions they don't have the membership, money, political clout, or name recognition, to match the NRA in public influence .
My opinion is to join your STATE, gun rights organization, and as many of the national ones as you can afford .
That way your money is covering lots of bets instead of putting it all on one horse that may not have the numbers to be effective.
Another thought is that if enough people join NRA who don't believe in compromise they can overwhelm the Fudds, and change the NRA's course.
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Tom has it exactly right. NRA is the big dog. I am a member. GOA more accurately reflects my personal views. I am a member.
If you can, spread your memberships around. But don't forget that the NRA has the biggest club. They don't always use it in the best ways (IMHO) but it is the biggest. I, like so many others, threatened to cancel my membership over the Reid fiasco. It did no good--they endorsed the bastard anyway. But, I think the negative membership response to Reid has made them a bit more cautious. Perhaps Reid has finally lost their support. He has certainly earned an NRA ban.
Crusader Rabbit
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Folks, Uncle Harry is 73 years old and just got re-elected for 6 years. Do the math. You think that old SOB gives a tinkers damn about his re-election chances in 2018?
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Folks, Uncle Harry is 73 years old and just got re-elected for 6 years. Do the math. You think that old SOB gives a tinkers damn about his re-election chances in 2018?
Harry Reid has 2 plans in place.
One is his funeral,
the other is his next campaign.
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Folks, Uncle Harry is 73 years old and just got re-elected for 6 years. Do the math. You think that old SOB gives a tinkers damn about his re-election chances in 2018?
I agree BUT my point is that the NRA SUPPORTED him for years knowing that sooner or later he would betray their support.
As to supporting state 2nd Amendment groups I agree that is the place this fight is going to take place. I began volunteering for Oregon Firearms Federation (associated with the GOA) a few months back and will be working Gun Shows (and hopefully other public events) in my local area and across the state.
I think the gun culture is waking up to the reality that we cannot be a silent majority any longer, we need to become active in retaining our rights. With programs like Appleseed, First Shots, and the like I think we can incorporate some citizenship duties to hold our public servants accountable.
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I agree BUT my point is that the NRA SUPPORTED him for years knowing that sooner or later he would betray their support.
As to supporting state 2nd Amendment groups I agree that is the place this fight is going to take place. I began volunteering for Oregon Firearms Federation (associated with the GOA) a few months back and will be working Gun Shows (and hopefully other public events) in my local area and across the state.
I think the gun culture is waking up to the reality that we cannot be a silent majority any longer, we need to become active in retaining our rights. With programs like Appleseed, First Shots, and the like I think we can incorporate some citizenship duties to hold our public servants accountable.
True, but consider this. There is more money to be made in treating diseases than there is in curing them. Same here. More money, power, prestige, high-6 figure income for LaPierre in fighting against gun control than in stopping gun control once and for all.
As for the last point, our so-called "public servants" will not allow themselves to be held accountable until a quite a few of them fulfill Thomas Jefferson's adage about the Tree of Liberty and how to water it. Then, maybe, just maybe, they will get the point.
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As for the last point, our so-called "public servants" will not allow themselves to be held accountable until a quite a few of them fulfill Thomas Jefferson's adage about the Tree of Liberty and how to water it. Then, maybe, just maybe, they will get the point.
Here is one of those "public servants" that can be made an example of:
http://gotremorse.com/home/ (http://gotremorse.com/home/)
He needs to feel the full force and power of the 2nd Amendment grassroots. I think if we do to him what the MSM has attempted to do to Sarah Palin and that is destroy him politically, professionally and personally. He is our blood enemy. Here is a statement he made during the legislative discussion on the 2nd Amendment, "The reality is, these folks don’t have a Second Amendment right to buy these guns”
Really!?!? :o
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You guys can't appreciate good theater when you see it. You should be calling Reid's office to thank him for his votes. There aren't very many politicians in Washington who could engineer votes of solidarity with the Democrats while simultaneously torpedoing Obama's prize legislation. And the day after the votes, Reid shelved the whole package. That was a feat of political alchemy... a masterful exploitation of Senatorial machinery... that only a few could achieve.
Don't miss the forest for the trees.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57581789/manchin-says-he-will-absolutely-revive-background-check-bill/
Manchin says he will "absolutely" revive background check bill
Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., said Sunday he will "absolutely" revive legislation to expand background checks for gun purchases, even though the Senate rejected the measure two weeks ago.
"The only thing that we've asked for is that people would just read the bill," Manchin said on Fox News Sunday. "It's a criminal and mental background check strictly at gun shows and online sales."
Manchin drafted the background check bill with fellow pro-gun rights advocate Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa. Given the resistance to gun control reform on Capitol Hill -- even in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shooting -- the Manchin-Toomey bill was seen as having the best odds of success in Congress. When it failed, President Obama stood with Newtown families in the White House Rose Garden and called it "a pretty shameful day for Washington."
Manchin said Sunday that he thinks the bill failed because of "some confusion." Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., was initially working on a more expansive background check bill, Manchin noted. "We talked to Chuck and he backed off that, and we worked on what we thought was a much better bill, especially coming from a gun culture that I come from in West Virginia," he said.
Why Obama couldn't turn 90 percent into 60 votes
Senate "hits pause" indefinitely on gun bill, Reid says
Polls have shown overwhelming public support for expanding background checks, and a new Quinnipiac poll released Friday shows that Pennsylvania voters think more favorably of Toomey for his leadership on the issue: As many as 54 percent of Pennsylvania voters said they think more favorably of him because of his work on the bill, while 12 percent think less favorably of him. Toomey's approval rating in the poll stood at 48 percent, his highest ever.
On Friday, Toomey suggested to reporters that he wouldn't push for a second vote on the legislation, the Morning Call reports.
"My own view is very simple: The Senate has had its vote," he said. "We've seen the outcome of that vote. I am not aware of any reason to believe that if we had the vote again that we'd have a different outcome."
However, Manchin said Sunday that as far as he knows, Toomey still supports the bill.
"I was with Pat last night and Pat's totally committed to this bill and I believe that with all of my heart, and we're going to work this bill," he said. "When people read the bill, just take time to read the bill. I've said this, if you're a law-abiding gun owner, you'll love this bill. If you're a criminal, if you've been mentally adjudicated through a court, you probably won't like it."
The senator added that the bill shouldn't be attached to any other proposals.
"The bill needs to be clean, I believe," he said. "That's my belief, that if the bill runs clean and people can vote on this bill up or down based on the merits of this bill, how it protects a gun -- a Second Amendment gun person, a law-abiding gun owner, it's perfect for that person."
On CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday, CBS News political dirctor John Dickerson stressed that the politics of gun control are complex.
"In the 2014 elections, if you look at the Senate table, the 10 most vulnerable candidates out there are all Democrats," he said. "So if you are in support of gun control and you want to punish those Democrats who voted against gun control, you're essentially helping Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader. You're helping him get towards his goal becoming a majority leader."