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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on April 27, 2013, 11:11:59 AM
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GOP LAWMAKERS HOPE TO COMBAT AMMUNITION STOCKPILING BY GOV’T AGENCIES WITH AMMO ACT
Republicans in the Senate and House are expected to introduce a joint bill Friday that would limit the amount of ammunition that federal agencies are allowed to buy and stockpile over the next six months, the Washington Free Beacon reports.
The bill, titled the Ammunition Management for More Accountability or “AMMO” Act, is being proposed after several lawmakers have voiced concerns about some federal agencies, like the Department of Homeland Security, seemingly stockpiling large quantities of ammo.
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[T]he legislation would prevent all government agencies except for the Defense Department from purchasing and storing what lawmakers say is an excess amount of ammunition.
The bill’s reach would include DHS and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), two agencies that have found themselves at the center of the ammo controversy.
“As the public learned in a House committee hearing this week, the Department of Homeland Security has two years worth of ammo on hand and allots nearly 1,000 more rounds of ammunition for DHS officers than is used on average by our Army officers,” Inhofe said. “The AMMO Act of 2013 will enforce transparency and accountability of federal agencies’ ammunition supply while also protecting law-abiding citizens access to these resources.”
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Maybe we can soon find a brick of .22 LR for less than $50.
Wait... The government doesn't buy .22 LR...
How come it's so danged expensive then?
Could it be that danged capitalism law of supply and demand?
Sheesh...
I still can't find .22 mag, 40 S&W hollow point, or .357 mag at any kind of a reasonable price.
Range time is really limited.
Crusader Rabbit
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"[T]he legislation would prevent all government agencies except for the Defense Department from purchasing and storing what lawmakers say is an excess amount of ammunition."
Regardless of what JNevis posted about it, I guess we weren't the only ones who thought that was a sh!tload of ammo .
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it really was not that much. the coasties are part of the DHS. trust me, the average loaded out on a coastie vessel( even more so when doing escort dutys) would make a marine get a hardon.
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it really was not that much. the coasties are part of the DHS. trust me, the average loaded out on a coastie vessel( even more so when doing escort dutys) would make a marine get a hardon.
do they use it all up each trip?
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There was a report that DHS was allocating 1000 rounds per person MORE that the US Army.
Either way in 40 years the market will be flooded with 40 surplus ::)
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There was a report that DHS was allocating 1000 rounds per person MORE that the US Army.
Either way in 40 years the market will be flooded with 40 surplus ::)
Maybe sooner if they have to give up their excess. ;D
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Found out from a LEO buddy today that the FPPS (Federal Protective Police Services) was put under DHS awhile back, what they are called now is beyond me but I'm sure Janet Incompetano included them in the great ammo grab numbers game to justify the vast amounts of ammo they are stockpiling.
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Lets see if I've got this straight.
The Dems want to regulate how much ammo citizens can buy.
The Republicans are trying to regulate how much ammo the Gov can buy.
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"[T]he legislation would prevent all government agencies except for the Defense Department from purchasing and storing what lawmakers say is an excess amount of ammunition."
Regardless of what JNevis posted about it, I guess we weren't the only ones who thought that was a sh!tload of ammo .
Like I posted in the other thread....
Congress sets how much ammo an agency is required to have on hand. The agency has a say in how it's ordered and managed. It goes something like this... An agency determines how much ammo per agent it needs for carry and training. They submit a number to Congress that in turn inflates it, so now the agency must have on hand what it asked for AND the same amount for "reserve."
This is just the GOP using a news article to show they are doing somehing about reigning in DHS. Works for both parties.
TAB is right. Our READY locker had enough 9mm ammo for each person to have 45 rounds plus another 50 for each in reserve. That didn't include the allocation in the bunker we used for training or for the squadron's to use. We rotated it out with the training stuff, but we got new training ammo every quarter too. If the training ammo didn't get used it was set aside and used for fun shoots. We went through about 2000 9MM, 1200 223, and 500 308 a quarter in unused training allocation. Couldn't keep it, and didn't want to turn it back in.
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Like I posted in the other thread....
Congress sets how much ammo an agency is required to have on hand. The agency has a say in how it's ordered and managed. It goes something like this... An agency determines how much ammo per agent it needs for carry and training. They submit a number to Congress that in turn inflates it, so now the agency must have on hand what it asked for AND the same amount for "reserve."
This is just the GOP using a news article to show they are doing somehing about reigning in DHS. Works for both parties.
TAB is right. Our READY locker had enough 9mm ammo for each person to have 45 rounds plus another 50 for each in reserve. That didn't include the allocation in the bunker we used for training or for the squadron's to use. We rotated it out with the training stuff, but we got new training ammo every quarter too. If the training ammo didn't get used it was set aside and used for fun shoots. We went through about 2000 9MM, 1200 223, and 500 308 a quarter in unused training allocation. Couldn't keep it, and didn't want to turn it back in.
Are you going to tell us it's Bush's fault too ?
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No, the reg I was referring to goes back at least until the mid 90's. It may have been written in an OPNAV Instruction but it had to be authorised by Congress. When I went to small arms management, the instruction read something to the effect that you shall maintain a reserve of at least equal to your annual allocation.
DHS let a contract for 150 million rounds and uses 115 million annually over the course of the contract. The factory where you worked didn't add a little fudge factor into bids? I doubt it. They don't have to receive all of it but they do have to be able to get at least what they are using.
Like I said, its all for show. They just want to look like they are doing something before an election, nothing will come of it when or if its implemented.
Like CR mentioned here and Magoo on the other thread, ammo availability and price are more a function of individuals buying it all up, not just the gov. The gov doesn't use 357 or 22 may at all and VERY little if any 22lr but you can't find it anywhere. We did use as much 12ga as we did 223 for awhile where I was at but you can still get it at WalMart.