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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: wtr100 on May 02, 2013, 09:45:58 AM
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Seems lad forgot it was in the car and even tried to get his mom to remove it ASAP
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/eagle-scout-facing-expulsion-over-gun-charge.html
From Ted Starnes of Fox News:
"This is the contact information for the school system in North Carolina that expelled an Eagle Scout & Honors Student. See details in story below.
Dr. Ed Croom, Superintendent
edcroom@johnston.k12.nc.us
919-934-6032, ext 263
Speak out and let your voices be heard. We need common sense back in education."
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Did the kid break the law - Yes
Was it intentional or accidental - Accidental
Did he do the right thing (try to correct the infraction) - Yes
Should he be punished - No
Is he a felon - No
Not that long ago we used to keep our hunting and sporting firearms in our school lockers. Today you can't even talk about these activities on school grounds. How much safer have our school grounds become over the last 65 years of removing all of these items, activities, and thoughts from our public school property?
Scold the kid, and have him write a research paper on the history of firearms in the United States. Warning School District - You may not like the facts of his paper.
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i disagree about him being punished, he should be, but not to the extent, that they went to.
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Why TAB? When he realized he had made a mistake he took immediate steps to correct the issue. What punishment do you receive if you attempt to carry a knife or ammunition through TSA check points? This should be no different!
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You can take TAB out of California but you can't take the California out of TAB.
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So people should not take responseabilty for thier mistakes? did he try to fix it? Yes, does that mean it didn't happen? No. should it be taken into account for his punishment? Yes. should he get a free pass? No.
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http://www.wral.com/
Just In: David Cole Winthrow, a Princeton High School senior who says he inadvertently brought an unloaded shotgun onto school property, will be allowed to graduate, an attorney for Johnston County Schools says.
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Did the kid break the law - Yes
Was it intentional or accidental - Accidental
Did he do the right thing (try to correct the infraction) - Yes
Should he be punished - No
Is he a felon - No
Not that long ago we used to keep our hunting and sporting firearms in our school lockers. Today you can't even talk about these activities on school grounds. How much safer have our school grounds become over the last 65 years of removing all of these items, activities, and thoughts from our public school property?
Scold the kid, and have him write a research paper on the history of firearms in the United States. Warning School District - You may not like the facts of his paper.
+100000000000000000000000000000000000
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one more thing that bugs me as a egale scout, being a eagle scout does not make one a good person. just like being a college grad does not make you smart.
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I bet he keeps better track of his gun from now on.
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From the article
“The law is very clear when a person knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property,” spokesperson Tracey Peedin Jones said. “The situation was turned over to law enforcement immediately.”
They should have a hard time proving it was knowingly and willingly...since he took immediate action to have it removed from school property and did this within hearing of officials, something he would not have done if he willingly bought the gun on school property.
He had noting to hide....so he thought.
He had no intent to break the law and the law is written so there must be intent or there is no offense.
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Not that long ago we used to keep our hunting and sporting firearms in our school lockers. Today you can't even talk about these activities on school grounds. How much safer have our school grounds become over the last 65 years of removing all of these items, activities, and thoughts from our public school property?
I graduated in '94 and it was common for us to have our guns in our cars. And the teachers knew it, too, because many of them also hunted and we'd talk about where we were going hunting before/after school in class with them. No one ever got shot. Hell, we were even allowed to keep dangerous things like saws, screw drivers, hammers, etc in shop class. The horror!
Something drastic has changed in our country in the last 15 years. Guns are not to blame because the one constant in the history of this country is gun ownership.
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I bet he keeps better track of his gun from now on.
Maybe. When I got caught by TSA I shared it with Rob Pincus, Kelly's response was "only once", and shortly after Rob got caught for his sixth. Two trips after my moment of glory I almost did it again, even after double checking the bag.
Situations like this are just like DQ's: There are two groups of participants - those that have and those who are going to.
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“He didn’t know what to do,” Boykin, whose son is friends with Withrow, told Fox News. “If you jump in the truck and leave, then they get you for skipping school.
Scipping skool was never a big deal to me......what a pussy.
I bet any kid who finds him/herself in the same situation immediately leaves from now on. It has been proven to them that being honest is not good. Thank you, Zero Tolerance = Zero Intellect.
If you stay, it could will be played that you "knowingly and willingly" have a gun at the school.
GTFO NOW.
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one more thing that bugs me as a egale scout, being a eagle scout does not make one a good person. just like being a college grad does not make you smart.
This is the single dumbest comment I have heard on this forum. Nonsense!
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The problem here is not that the kid made a mistake. Amazingly enough kids do that! The problem here is how pathetically irresponsible the adults are in positions of relatively minor authority. "I don't have any choice but to destroy this kids life". Bullshit. grow a pair and use some Judgement! The admin in the office could have helped him make a better choice by telling him to go home and then come back. The principal could have told the mom to deal with it. The cop could have told the school to quit peeing down their leg and taken the kid off campus, returned him home and screwed up the paperwork so that the case was untryable.
These adults are idiots not the kid.
I had a number of run ins with the cops as a kid even though I was not a criminals They scared the crap out of me and turned me over to my parents . This kid is not a danger to society and it used to be that those were the guys the cops focused on.
We have become a nation of sissies.
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It was mentioned in another story on Fox News that recently two different administrators or employees of the district had brought guns to schools. In those cases the subjects received three day suspensions, but no felony charges. From what is known here publicly I see no criminal intent. I do not see where this young man knowingly and willingly brought a firearm to school. This kid should not have his life scarred with a criminal record, as this is nothing more than a mistake, not a criminal action.
It was also mentioned that Jerry Farwell Jr. happened to be passing through this town when this was in the local news. There was a picture of the kid with a gal that was wearing a Liberty University tee shirt. Farwell gave the kid a full scholarship to the kid to Liberty University.
Being an Eagle Scout does not make you a bad person, although there are those that would hold it against you, and that may be part of the persecution here.
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one more thing that bugs me as a egale scout, being a eagle scout does not make one a good person. just like being a college grad does not make you smart.
Maybe you missed this part in the story, “The law is very clear when a person knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property,” spokesperson Tracey Peedin Jones said. “The situation was turned over to law enforcement immediately.”
It appears that he DIDN'T KNOW the shot the shotgun was in the vehicle. If he didn't know it was there he couldn't WILLINGLY bring the shotgun to school.
When educational institutions put No Tolerance Policies in place it allows school management to check their common sense at the door when they come to work.
As screwed up politically as Minnesota is right now, you are not in violation of the law when the gun you have in your vehicle while on school property is transported in compliance within MN gun laws. As of right now.
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Watchman has a clear grasp of the situation:
He did not do it intentionally, and as soon as he realized his error he tried to correct it the best way he knew.
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so the question remains, how do you lose a gun? i have never understood how people can lose very important/ expensive things.
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I don't recall reading anywhere that he lost a gun. Try again.
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so the question remains, how do you lose a gun? i have never understood how people can lose very important/ expensive things.
Why so are you so judgemental? I don't believe he technically "lost" the shotgun. I believe there is a distinction between something being lost and forgetting to put something back in its usual and customary place.
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TAB,
Pretend that you live in a free nation and that having a firearm is a part of normal life. They are not something stored in a vault, taken out five seconds before use, and returned while still hot. As I think back over the past 29 years (May of '84 is when we moved to this place - I think Tuesday will be the anniversary) there are very few times that there has not been at least one gun in my pickup, and that includes when others were using it.
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i am not saying there is a issue withh having a gun in the truck, but forgetting about where you put a gun is not a mistake, its neglagent.
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i am not saying there is a issue withh having a gun in the truck, but forgetting about where you put a gun is not a mistake, its neglagent.
That may be, but the fact is that he did not intentionally bring the gun to school. No crime.
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i never said it should be a crime, but he did f..k up pretty bad. I can see if something like a mag or some ammo fell out of a bag, but not a gun. That goes way past the oops level for me.
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so the question remains, how do you lose a gun? i have never understood how people can lose very important/ expensive things.
Happens all the time TAB, I guess you're just better than every one else.
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TAB,
Once again you need to come on over to the real world. There is a big difference between forgetting where you put or left a gun, and living a lifestyle where guns are a normal item and using them is a normal activity. Am I wrong because I often leave my sporting or hunting guns in the pickup for weeks or even months? Is it wrong that I often have a handgun stored in the pickup? Perhaps I'm an idiot because I need to check which shotgun is in the pickup once in awhile. Then of course there is always the moment that I realize that my wife took off with a handgun in the overhead bin in the pickup, and the quick call to tell her to stash it.
There are many safe ways to transport and keep firearms in vehicles that are safe. That is not the issue here as much as we live in a world that has become over populated with sheep.
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DO you forget about those guns and take them places where its illegal to have them? there is a huge diffrence between having a gun in the car vs forgeting about it.
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DO you forget about those guns and take them places where its illegal to have them? there is a huge diffrence between having a gun in the car vs forgeting about it.
Exactly. If you have a gun in the car and go onto school property and you REMEMBERED the gun was there before you parked, you have broken the law.
On the other hand, if you did the same thing not remembering it was there, you broke no law.
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TAB, I don't have anyplace in this state where I can't have a gun on property, and only a small number where I can carry. If you get past the "guns are bad" mentality that you have been indoctrinated into, you don't think of guns as something that must not be present before you hop in and take off.
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Federal building/ parking lots.
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Federal building/ parking lots.
No problemo! Post offices, our county courthouse, our State Office buildings and Capital, all no problemo.
Most public schools and their property, county courthouses, and then there are the lovely jails and prisons where I can't.
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If you are used to having guns on or near you, eventually you will take one somewhere its illegal. Its not on purpose but more out of habit. Anytime you are to look in my truck there will be at least one gun and who knows how much ammo ( I win the lottery every time I clean it out). I know I have done. I realized it after I was already there but they never knew and I sure as hell wasn't going to tell them.
The kid made an honest mistake, no point in ruining the rest of his life for it. Give him some detention or Saturday school and be done. The felony charges are way over the top for what he did. Leave the cops put of it they have more important things to do.