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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on May 16, 2013, 05:05:21 PM
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From David Codrea:
Credit card reader companies discriminate against gun buyers and sellers
A change to the Square seller’s agreement now forbids “payments in connection with … sales of (i) firearms, firearm parts or hardware, and ammunition; or (ii) weapons and other devices designed to cause physical injury,” the iOS/Android payment processing device company announced on its website last week.
“Before the change, Square was happy as a clam to be used for face-to-face firearms sales,” The Truth About Guns blog noted. “But now, they don’t even want to be used if all you’re buying is something as innocuous as a new pair of grips for your 1911. All deals involving firearms are no longer allowed to be processed through Square.”
“Apparently Square is joining several other payment processors and financial institutions and are now refusing to do business with anyone who has anything to do with guns, ammo or other weapons,” the Guns Save Lives blog observed, adding “Paypal has long had a standing policy of refusing to business with any gun related business, including for things as innocuous as gun magazines. GE Capital, one of the largest lenders in the US recently announced they would no longer work with the gun industry as well.”
“We may decide not to authorize or settle any transaction that you submit to us if we believe that the transaction is in violation of this Agreement,” Square warns its users.
The motivation appears to come out of prejudice and a desire to be politically correct, but they unarguably have the right to set terms and conditions under which they’re willing to allow their products and services to be used.
That said, Square isn’t the only company that offers a mobile device credit card reader. Gun Rights Examiner approached one competitor, PayAnywhere, as a prohibition was not apparent on their posted terms and conditions. Using their website chat function, they were asked “Does PayAnywhere allow or prohibit firearms sales with its reader?” and a representative with the screen name Quanita responded “Yes we do prohibit firearm sales on the PayAnywhere accounts.”
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More at link:
http://www.examiner.com/article/credit-card-reader-companies-discriminate-against-gun-buyers-and-sellers
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Jack Dorsey, CEO of Square and Chairman of Twitter, evidently doesn’t think firearms belong in the "free" marketplace, and so practices economic segregation to discourage it.
Credits: Bill Pugliano/Getty Images
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Cash, cash, cash, cash, ok,...gold, precious metals, jewelry, even livestock,...
But you didn't hear that from me....
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Paypal has long had a standing policy of refusing to business with any gun related business, including for things as innocuous as gun magazines.
Funny, I recently purchased some holsters, and a K31 bayonet frog on ebay using PayPal....Hmmm....
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I looked at 3 different items on GunsAmerica and they all contained a note to "Never use Western Union or PayPal for transactions"
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just one more to the dozens of reasons why square sucks ass.
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What would the outcry be if they decided they would not allow their product to be used by Blacks, or in support of Black causes?
This is a clear civil rights violation and needs to be sued to stop it. Now.
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What would the outcry be if they decided they would not allow their product to be used by Blacks, or in support of Black causes?
This is a clear civil rights violation and needs to be sued to stop it. Now.
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Legal products. Legally purchased. It's outrageous that PayPal and Square would violate their contractual commitment to legally transfer funds. Out-effing-rageous.
Crusader Rabbit
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It could be a cya move or a legal deal.(I would guess cya) it is thier right, to choose who they do biz with.
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They have the right as a private company to set policy. I also have the right to withhold my money and not buy one of those infernal things. And I plan on doing just that and refuse to do business with those who use it!
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It's not "buying" a Square.
You have to refuse to do business with any vendor who uses the Square.
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Arlenes Flowers in Richland WA is being sued by the ACLU and WA state AG,s office for refusing to do the floral arrangements for a gay wedding. She has sold the two men flowers for years. They asked the store to do the flower arrangements. She said she would be unable to participate in their wedding because it is in opposition to her religious beliefs, she would however sell them the flowers so someone else could to the arrangements.
Where is the ACLU now that Square is discriminating against gun owners?
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Arlenes Flowers in Richland WA is being sued by the ACLU and WA state AG,s office for refusing to do the floral arrangements for a gay wedding. She has sold the two men flowers for years. They asked the store to do the flower arrangements. She said she would be unable to participate in their wedding because it is in opposition to her religious beliefs, she would however sell them the flowers so someone else could to the arrangements.
Where is the ACLU now that Square is discriminating against gun owners?
As far as the ACLU is concerned there are only 9 amendments in the Bill of Rights.
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They can pound that thing with the pirate rates they charge. 2.75% per swipe? They've got to be kidding.
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I had to google the device in order to know what it did. Any merchant that I encounter using one will not get my business, and I will tell them why. The butt-pirate % swipe fee is just icing.
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actually for mobile swipes thats about the going rate. some are far worse as they charge fees per month and transaction fees as well. pretty much every one sucks when it comes to that unless you have a store or do lots of transactions.
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This is yet another example of why so many individuals today don't have any money. They're poor because they are busy as hell making everyone else rich, by paying ridiculous interest rates. 21+% on credit cards, and now 2.75% piled on that, just to swipe the damn card before you get home with what you bought.
If people just figured out what they're paying in interest on everything they think they own, they would have heart failure.
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If people just figured out what they're paying in interest on everything they think they own, they would have heart failure.
My figure is 0. Everything I have is owned outright. I have receipts, bill's of sale, deeds, titles, cancelled checks, you name it. What I don't have is a balance on a credit card, car loan, or mortgage.
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sadly not many people can do that. I know I use to live off credit, you really can't run a small biz off cash. more so when you need 6 or 7 figures for a project.
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I still see this as an opportunity for someone to come and get that business.. With a very light advertising budget, that niche market would be there for the taking.. You don't have to be Chase or B of A to make money.
Ever noticed that the one crowd that never seems to bounce a check is Gun Guys, (at least with Gun Guys)? If Wal-Mart can open their own bank, I'm not sure why NRA can't do the same.. It's not like they couldn't use the revenue stream..
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it would take 10s of millions to set up a service like square.
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If Wal-Mart can open their own bank, I'm not sure why NRA can't do the same.. It's not like they couldn't use the revenue stream..
Cabela's also owns and operates their own bank, and banking system. It's the reason they push Cabela's credit cards so hard every time you walk in the place. It's called Foremost Bank. I'm not sure, but I believe the NRA is a non profit organization. If they are opening their own bank might violate their not for profit status.
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Cabela's also owns and operates their own bank, and banking system. It's the reason they push Cabela's credit cards so hard every time you walk in the place. It's called Foremost Bank. I'm not sure, but I believe the NRA is a non profit organization. If they are opening their own bank might violate their not for profit status.
NRA dues used to be tax deductible, (I don't know about now ) because they were non profit .
So, as Bill says, a bank may not work, but I think the rules are different for a Credit Union.