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Member Section => Shotguns => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on May 21, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
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In pumps I am a Mossberg 500 fan, but I don't know anything about semi auto's .
In the future I'm considering 18.5 inch barrel and telescoping stock (M 4/ AR style ).
What would be the best semi 12 ga. to put that on ?
Why ?
Please, no "Brand X sucks".
If that's what you think post why or I learn nothing of use.
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I have a Remington 1100 that I really like but you can't put a collapsible stock on it. I hacksawed the barrel down from 28" to 18" and drilled the gas ports out one letter drill size larger because it wouldn't function with light loads in the winter. Now it handles any 2-3/4" shells that I want it to.
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I would second the 1100 or the newer 1187
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Heard a lot of good things about the Remington Versamax but would probably go with the 1100/1187.
JMHOFWIW
Richard
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if money is no object then benelli M-2 tactical(I think that's the correct model) will run with the best of them,Chosen by USMC for their combat shotgun.I think they have an adjustable stock for it.if not try to find one of their M-1 super 90's
http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli-m2-tactical.php
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I like the Benelli too, right up until you see the price!
Yikes!
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I think the biggest question is what do you intend to do other than "riot". If that's the only purpose then save the cash and go Mossberg. If you intend to customize that is the practical choice.
If you want to spend a little more for built in capability then Remington has options. Benelli is awesome but in today's price spiked age is just a brand.
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How about this in semi auto .
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll282/tombogn03884/Moss500.jpg) (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/tombogn03884/media/Moss500.jpg.html)
It will be a home defense gun .
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I'm a game player... shot an 1100 or 1187 for about 25years... off the top of my head
6 bolt carrier link failures
2 extractors
1 gas ring
1 fore end clip
1 shell interceptor
multiple shell lift pins
I now shoot a Benelli M1 Super 90... and my life doesn't depend on it...
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+1 on the M1. I have one that is as near a perfect shotgun as I've ever encountered.
They don't make em anymore.. If you can find a used one, it'll run under a Grand.
My "list" is
Benelli M2, "3 Gun",
(Or for the box fed variety),
VEPR 12 over the Saiga because it will cycle the light loads that the Saiga won't.
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For value the Mossberg 930 gives a lot of dependable bang for the buck. They come configured a lot of different ways.
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OK... couldn't help myself... pic of yours truly shooting an 1100 in the mid 80s... just for the guy in the coon skin hat ;D
(http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz180/LesSnyder/DSC00257.jpg) (http://s825.photobucket.com/user/LesSnyder/media/DSC00257.jpg.html)
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OK... couldn't help myself... pic of yours truly shooting an 1100 in the mid 80s... just for the guy in the coon skin hat ;D
(http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz180/LesSnyder/DSC00257.jpg) (http://s825.photobucket.com/user/LesSnyder/media/DSC00257.jpg.html)
Is that MB ? ;D
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yes....
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If its just for HD, I'd stick with what you have. I mean how many rounds are you going to fire at across the living room distances? If its a toy, I'd buy a Saiga. The other selections are excellent choices, but I know you don't hunt, and unless you shoot skeet where the above mentioned guns will take a longer barrel, I just don't think they offer enough of an advantage to be worth the cash. If you want a range toy, you might as well get something that will take a twenty round drum. If you want to kill some SOB I'd stick with the Mossy 500. Just my .02.
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If its just for HD, I'd stick with what you have. I mean how many rounds are you going to fire at across the living room distances? If its a toy, I'd buy a Saiga. The other selections are excellent choices, but I know you don't hunt, and unless you shoot skeet where the above mentioned guns will take a longer barrel, I just don't think they offer enough of an advantage to be worth the cash. If you want a range toy, you might as well get something that will take a twenty round drum. If you want to kill some SOB I'd stick with the Mossy 500. Just my .02.
I agree with your reasoning 110%.
The fly in the ointment is that during my 2 years of unemployment the Mossy had to go to pay the light and internet bills . :'(
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I agree with your reasoning 110%.
The fly in the ointment is that during my 2 years of unemployment the Mossy had to go to pay the light and internet bills . :'(
You could always grab a Maverick Special Purpose. Its made by Mossy in Mehico and has an 18" barrel and an 8 round tube. They're about $250 out the door, and good enough for government work. Not semi-auto, but reliable and cheap.
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I'm not even close to buying yet so I am research the most suited to my wants with out considering cost this time around .
I prefer, semi auto rifles, and they have formed my habits so sometimes with a bolt action rifle I forget to work the action before the 2nd shot .
This is not the sort of mistake you can afford at 3 AM in your living room.
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I'm not even close to buying yet so I am research the most suited to my wants with out considering cost this time around .
I prefer, semi auto rifles, and they have formed my habits so sometimes with a bolt action rifle I forget to work the action before the 2nd shot .
This is not the sort of mistake you can afford at 3 AM in your living room.
True, and I too am glued into semi-auto actions. But for me the shot gun is the weapon of last resort. I want it idiot proof (me being the idiot in question), and 100% reliable. I know that semi auto shotguns, particularly with high brass loads, will cycle reliably. BUT, there's that lizard part of my brain that doesn't trust that that's going to happen. I want the certainty that comes with a pump. I mean the only reason I own mine is for "get off my lawn" purposes. I hunt with SxS doubles. This is just a last ditch survival gun. I figure that the odds are good that I might screw up in any situation stressful enough that I need to use it. I don't want to add the possibility of a mechanical malfunction to the mix. Frankly, even if the price points were the same I'd choose a pump. If I could have any shotgun made for HD (as in you won a raffle go to the rack and pick one) it would be a mossy 590A1 with ghost rings and a light. You can keep the thousand dollar semis. But that's just me.
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honestly I trust my 1100 more then my 870 or my ithica 37.
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...I figure that the odds are good that I might screw up in any situation stressful enough that I need to use it. I don't want to add the possibility of a mechanical malfunction to the mix. Frankly, even if the price points were the same I'd choose a pump. If I could have any shotgun made for HD (as in you won a raffle go to the rack and pick one) it would be a mossy 590A1 with ghost rings and a light. You can keep the thousand dollar semis. But that's just me.
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I shot a 590A1, with ghost ring sights, and a 14" barrel at Rogers Shooting School a few years back. That was one heck of a setup. Obviously a 14" barrel is NFA territory, but one setup with a 16" barrel would be sweet too.
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FWiw I have seen alot of short stroke jams with pumps.
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I shot a 590A1, with ghost ring sights, and a 14" barrel at Rogers Shooting School a few years back. That was one heck of a setup. Obviously a 14" barrel is NFA territory, but one setup with a 16" barrel would be sweet too.
I know it's nit picking, and possibly even a typo on George's part, but on shot guns the limit is 18, not 16 like with rifles.
It was dreamed up by politicians, you don't expect it to be simple and sensible do you ?
FWiw I have seen alot of short stroke jams with pumps.
As to TAB's comment, you can use maintenance to reduce the chance of mechanical failure, especially with modern, simpler actions, but if the Gods have ruled against you even a SXS will fail sometimes .
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I shot a 590A1, with ghost ring sights, and a 14" barrel at Rogers Shooting School a few years back. That was one heck of a setup. Obviously a 14" barrel is NFA territory, but one setup with a 16" barrel would be sweet too.
Its got to be 18" to be legal with a shotty.
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I know it's nit picking, and possibly even a typo on George's part, but on shot guns the limit is 18, not 16 like with rifles.
It was dreamed up by politicians, you don't expect it to be simple and sensible do you ?
Nah, I just got it wrong. I appreciate you and Quaker correcting me on that one.... :)
Note to Feds: I'm not your next "Randy Weaver" candidate, look elsewhere. ;)
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in 30+ years of practical shooting game playing, reliability has been a constant goal... at 65, I may not get to shoot many more, so don't want to have mechanical problems ... screwed the pooch at Ft Benning in 2010 with bad choice of cheap ammo... but that aside, I humbly submit the most reliable mix I've found.... coupled to a Glock G34 with Heinie sights, and a non captured guide rode and ISMI spring... a 21" Benelli M1S90 and 16" AR with TA31F ACOG.....
(http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz180/LesSnyder/DSC00466_zps09b2155b.jpg) (http://s825.photobucket.com/user/LesSnyder/media/DSC00466_zps09b2155b.jpg.html)
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I have a Model 1100 I bought approx. 45 years ago, used a bicycle for my ride. Had a saddle scabbard on my 26" bicycle. Literally thousands of rounds through it. The only time it failed me was when it was dirty, raining on a duck hunt with wet paper shells or the Italian made shotgun shells I bought for dove hunting at the local drug store (yes, a drug store). Guns were not the taboo thing they are reported to be now. For a cheap gun, my 1100 would be my first choice for an auto. My first choice of a defense shotgun would be my short barrel Browning over/under (barrels are just barely legal). My hunting barrels for the Browning are of better quality.