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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on May 22, 2013, 05:40:16 PM
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Those old guys, young kids and women are downright dangerous....You never know....Those were some tactical signs, and OMG! An American & Gadsden Flag OMG!!!! Glad they have plenty of bullets.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/woah-armed-dhs-guards-outside-irs-in-st-louis/?ModPagespeed=noscript
The elderly woman with the walker, and dude in the wheelchair,....very risky type character types....What? Local LEO's "couldn't" handle it?
Really?
Lots of pics at link.....
Do you understand yet?
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Just because IRS got caught does not mean the other agencies will stop their ordered prograqm of intimidation against all who oppose "the Won" .
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So until now, I never heard of the Federal Protective Service. So doing a little bit of googling it appears that the FPS is the federal government's security guards for federal facilities. When you think about it probably not a big deal that a bunch of security guards were standing around during a protest. But I get your point, the problem is that if the IRS can be used to quash those that do not agree with the regime, why not DHS.
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Well, that crowd appeared ready to erupt at any moment.
A real over the top force of militant radicals conservatives.
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...and I'm so glad TW that your so gullible. It gives me a reason to add to my post count ;D
Who else is responsible for security at a Federal facility? It isn't the locals. FPS is just a renamed department that used to be about a dozen security departments including IRS Police, and others. They probably didn't even have to "bolster" the number of gaurds. And check the begining of the video again, there were what three, four guys? They looked like thye could have given two $h!ts about the protest as long as they didn't throw anything or hurt themselves.
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...and I'm so glad TW that your so gullible. It gives me a reason to add to my post count ;D
Who else is responsible for security at a Federal facility? It isn't the locals. FPS is just a renamed department that used to be about a dozen security departments including IRS Police, and others. They probably didn't even have to "bolster" the number of gaurds. And check the begining of the video again, there were what three, four guys? They looked like thye could have given two $h!ts about the protest as long as they didn't throw anything or hurt themselves.
Gee,,, there were not DHS folks at the Florida facility, or the S. Carolina Facility, or the Virgina IRS outpost, or the Iowa IRS bldg. It just was local LEO's and/or troopers.....NOT the DHS,...
Keep working on your post count, and since your on the inside, be grateful your off the audit list.
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Are you REALLY that paranoid? Why do you have a computer?
Ever stopped to think about who actualy OWNS the bulding? Just because the IRS or Social Security or any other agency is in the building doesn't make it a Federal building. FPS is the security service for only federal buildings. Other facilities are leased and responsibility of the locals. Its called jurisdiction.
I think I saw your name and IP at the NSA Computer Center a couple weeks ago, I know I saw Bogan's ;D
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You guys have no idea. The VA police up here at the hospital have more Kit on than I did in Iraq. I'm not lying or exaggerating. These guys wear chest rigs (i should say a couple do regularly). There is an AR in their car. They have a Sig and a taser plus all the other crap level 4 hard plates all that. All of them wear Oakley sunglasses of the same style so figure they got a government credit card. They have a freaking SEGWAY so they dont have to walk. They constantly go to the range.
And yes I watched 2 of them slam an old guy with a Cain on the ground cause he was getting loud cause it took 4 hrs for the pharmacy to get his meds.
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It's been my experience that FPS jurisdiction is NOT limited to federally owned buildings, but also federally leased buildings and portions thereof. It more depends on what is inside than out I believe. But who am I to argue with the great jnevis?
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It's been my experience that FPS jurisdiction is NOT limited to federally owned buildings, but also federally leased buildings and portions thereof. It more depends on what is inside than out I believe. But who am I to argue with the great jnevis?
I may have implied own/lease, which isn't exactly true, but it still boils down to jurisdiction. As I've said before the FBI has a uniformed division that is only responsible for the Hoover building to the sidewalk around it. From the sidewalk to the street is Metro DC and the next block is Capitol Police. As you said it can also be what's inside in addition to other things (owned/leased or shared between local/fed) that determine who;s responsible.
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I may have implied own/lease, which isn't exactly true, but it still boils down to jurisdiction. As I've said before the FBI has a uniformed division that is only responsible for the Hoover building to the sidewalk around it. From the sidewalk to the street is Metro DC and the next block is Capitol Police. As you said it can also be what's inside in addition to other things (owned/leased or shared between local/fed) that determine who's responsible.
Jurisdiction. Responsibility.
It reminds me of folks standing in their yard, filming LE out on the street in front of the house..
It makes me wonder who's "jurisdiction" it is to kick folks door in, whip/shoot their ass, take their guns and take that whipped/shot ass to jail, without "responsibility" for having to justify it in light of the Constitution, (State or Federal)...
Since anybody with government issued kit is happy to do it, I'm guessing that's a question of overlapping jurisdiction, huh..
I'm sure that no LE Agency instructs Agents or Officers to employ "intimidation" tactics to gain "compliance" in a "free, Constitutional Republic". There's no need to employ such tactics on citizens that haven't even been formally accused of a crime, (therefore innocent, by definition).
It's a free country, after all... :(
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I think you just dribbled some sarcasm on my key board . ;D
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I think you just dribbled some sarcasm on my key board . ;D
Is that what that is? Thank goodness, I was worried for a second..............
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Don't worry Junkie, it cleans up easy and won't short anything out . ;D
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Are you REALLY that paranoid? Why do you have a computer?
Uh... you do realize that the same people that abused power at the IRS are the same people that are running these other Federal agencies?
Ever stopped to think about who actualy OWNS the bulding? Just because the IRS or Social Security or any other agency is in the building doesn't make it a Federal building. FPS is the security service for only federal buildings. Other facilities are leased and responsibility of the locals. Its called jurisdiction.
I think I saw your name and IP at the NSA Computer Center a couple weeks ago, I know I saw Bogan's ;D
So I can carry a gun into a federal agency's office so long as they don't own the property? ::) So if it is considered Federal property, much like a rented home would be considered private property of the renters, the FPS would be the security agency in charge/with jurisdiction.
Why do you feel the need to overlook the obvious? I understand your LEO background would predispose you to take "their" side but the pattern of abuse by the current regime fly in the face of your position. Ultimately the sooner you realize that there are real political motivations behind these agencies the less backtracking you will have to do later.
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Why do you feel the need to overlook the obvious? I understand your LEO background would predispose you to take "their" side
He was in MILITARY law enforcement .
In other words he was one of those very "govt agents" that you refer to .
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He was in MILITARY law enforcement
In other words he was one of those very "govt agents" that you refer to .
I may have been MP, but I've forgotten more actual case law supporting what le can and can't do in regards to jurisdiction and search and seizure than the "sea lawyers" on this forum.
I keep saying it, you guys really need to make up your mind. You have an expectation that a bank or any other business have some level of security to keep YOUR money, information, et al, safe, but the gov't can't at the same time have security at a building full of your's and everybody else's? You can have the latest cool AR, but if a cop has one it's militarizing the police force? The police have had military style weapons as far back as the Colt Peacemaker but now it's somehow bad? The FPS or one of it's predecessors has been in existance since 1790, but since they're DHS, now they're out to get you? Get a life! There aren't enough to watch the buildings they're supposed to, they sure as hell aren't watching you.
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I may have been MP, but I've forgotten more actual case law supporting what le can and can't do in regards to jurisdiction and search and seizure than the "sea lawyers" on this forum.
I keep saying it, you guys really need to make up your mind. You have an expectation that a bank or any other business have some level of security to keep YOUR money, information, et al, safe, but the gov't can't at the same time have security at a building full of your's and everybody else's? You can have the latest cool AR, but if a cop has one it's militarizing the police force? The police have had military style weapons as far back as the Colt Peacemaker but now it's somehow bad? The FPS or one of it's predecessors has been in existance since 1790, but since they're DHS, now they're out to get you? Get a life! There aren't enough to watch the buildings they're supposed to, they sure as hell aren't watching you.
That's where you miss the point J, if you were at one of those TEA Party rallies they made a point to find enough who sure as hell WERE watching .
As for the rest of your post maybe YOU expect bankers and cops to keep your stuff safe .
I tend to protect my own stuff, especially from cops and bankers.
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/swat-team-throws-flashbangs-raids-wrong-home-due-to-open-wifi-network/ (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/swat-team-throws-flashbangs-raids-wrong-home-due-to-open-wifi-network/)
I think this demonstrates why people (those paying attention anyway) have a large sense of apprehension about the militarization of the local PDs. They spend all of this money on cool equipment and training so they actually seem to be looking for opportunities to use it.
As the article states; at the the first (wrong) address they send in SWAT and use flash-bangs, at the second address (the right one) they just send an officer to the door.
I dearly hope this is an anomaly but fear that it is more the norm. Something like this at my address would probably get me killed.
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That's where you miss the point J, if you were at one of those TEA Party rallies they made a point to find enough who sure as hell WERE watching .
As for the rest of your post maybe YOU expect bankers and cops to keep your stuff safe .
I tend to protect my own stuff, especially from cops and bankers.
No I get the point perfectly. Just because they are gov't they MUST be doing something bad. Can't have security guards actually GUARD a building, heaven forbid. So they're standing out front watching big f-ing deal. You'd watch too if a bunch of people were standing around in front of where you work just to see what they're doing.
You obvisously don't protect your stuff very well. You keep coming on the Internet. See Ichiban's post as an example. There is no expectation of privacy on the Internet, and with a minimum amount of skill and equipment someone can steal every dime you can't physically touch, then make it so you can't get any more physical cash. You guys keep pounding on the gov' "invading your privacy" but then turn around and leave it all online for anybody to see.
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Hmmm,...Let's just ask the Philly Po-Po recruitment website shall we?
I get the warm and fuzzies,,,,how about you....
http://phillypolice.com/careers/military-experience/
Military Experience
Overview
Police recruitment efforts are designed to identify the candidates that are best able to complete their Academy training and who are most likely to perform at the highest levels of operational proficiency in the shortest time. Because of this focus, the Philadelphia Police Department actively recruits veterans of our armed forces for service in the Department.
To claim a veteran's preference you must be able to answer yes to at least one of the following criteria:
I am an honorably discharged veteran who served in the Armed Forces of the United States on active duty, except for training, on or after December 7, 1941.
I am the spouse of a disabled veteran.
I am the spouse of a deceased veteran.
I served with the National Guard or Reserves, completed basic training as part of my service, and completed my National Guard or Reserve obligation.
The Police Department is structured as a para-military organization. This means that we employ a culture and protocols that closely approximate those of the armed forces. Concepts like the chain of command, organizational hierarchies, military order and discipline, and others are ideas that are present in all police organizations. Because of this similarity to the military services, veterans have demonstrated an ability to quickly assimilate into the police organizational framework and are, therefore, productive in their respective duties quicker and at a higher proficiency level than those who have no experience serving in such organizations.
In addition, veterans are, on the whole, in peak physical condition. Because of this, veterans are more likely to withstand the rigors of recruit training and to satisfactorily complete their courses of study to become police officers. Candidates who lack this degree of physical conditioning are more likely to fail the physical component of training and not complete their term of training. This is more than an inconvenience to the department because such failures result in the wasting of valuable training dollars and delay our efforts to add personnel to the patrol force.
Other than issues concerning training completion, physical conditioning is especially important because policing can, at times, be a very demanding occupation that requires the strenuous application of physical effort. Officer candidates who are unfit will clearly have a more difficult time of adequately responding in these situations, placing other officers and citizens at increased risk.
Veterans have also received prior training in firearms, a phase of training that persons not familiar with firearms may have difficulty with. Again, the idea is to identify the candidates most likely to succeed and to actively recruit them for inclusion in our ranks.
Veteran's Benefit Summary
U.S. Veteran's Preference
Ten points for veteran's preference will be added to the scores of those who pass the written examination. You are eligible if you are honorably discharged from the U.S. Armed Forces. Spouses of disabled or deceased veterans may also be considered. Attach a legible copy of your DD-214, Member 4, to your application if you wish your eligibility to be reviewed.
Military personnel who are still on active duty and do not yet have their DD-214 are ineligible for the ten point benefit at this time. However, they may apply for the addition of the ten points to their raw score upon their honorable discharge.
We encourage all veterans to take advantage of this opportunity to join the Philadelphia Police Department; an agency dedicated to excellence and cutting-edge law enforcement leadership. We are defining the future of law enforcement in Philadelphia, we invite you to join us in making that vision a reality.
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It's not just a job, (in new LE), it's an adventure....
Do I really need to post more MRAP'S and tactical assault teams in Boston,.....again???
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Go ahead, especially since they were NOT MRAPS.
I'll even post it for you to be helpfull
(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/04/boston-marathon-watertown-suspects-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg)
MRAP
(http://armytrucksinc.com/wp-content/gallery/inventory/3.%20ARMORED%20VEHICLES/MRAP%206x6.jpg)
(http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/images/LAND_MRAP_MaxxPro_Dash_Ambluance_Profile_lg.jpg)
(https://acc.dau.mil/GetImage.aspx?id=432996&pname=image&sz=Original&lang=en-US&ts=1352902282)
If you're going to contiue to post conspiracy BS at least do a little research and get it right.
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If you're going to contiue to post conspiracy BS at least do a little research and get it right.
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Your Right,.... I'm such a slacker,...
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I'm sure it was just some "dealership options"....ya know color, tires, stereo, sun roof,....
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I'm sure I just missed those simple F250's parked and deployed as needed...oh wait,...
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In addition, veterans are, on the whole, in peak physical condition. Because of this, veterans are more likely to withstand the rigors of recruit training and to satisfactorily complete their courses of study to become police officers.
I am an honorably discharged veteran who served in the Armed Forces of the United States on active duty, except for training, on or after December 7, 1941.
So a vet that was 18 in 1941 would be 90 now...but on the whole, in peak physical condition. ;D
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Them thar F250's TW spoke of are built right here in Pittsfield, MA.
http://www.swattrucks.com/
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You folks can continue to argue who's paranoid or who's not but I, long ago, stopped trusting our government! I'm also well aware of the internet footprint I leave behind... I had a TS clearance at one time, pretty sure they know where to find me...
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You folks can continue to argue who's paranoid or who's not but I, long ago, stopped trusting our government! I'm also well aware of the internet footprint I leave behind... I had a TS clearance at one time, pretty sure they know where to find me...
Me too, I will not hide but I won't sit here unarmed and helpless either nor will I believe that any law enforcement agency cares one whit about my safety-although some do its not good practice.
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I make no secrets of either my opinions or the fact that if they did get a ban I would simply start making my own.
Just like every other moderately skilled machinist in the country.
All it takes is the machines, and there are about 100 of them with in walking distance.
http://www.cncguns.com/downloads.html
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All it takes is the machines, and there are about 100 of them with in walking distance.
The ol' Foxfire series of books, had an 1800's blacksmith recipe for common homemade rifles. Yes,...those "good ol' boys of the South", can and have been making custom firearms for oh I don't know, 200+ years.
The "zip" guns of WWI & II were homemade....Ingenuity back than, a high dollar printer today....
Keep your bets on the ol' school design.
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Bow and arrow will get you anything you want.
Including one of those "neato tactical vehicles" if you pick your time right.
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Lots of hind-sight at work here. The Homeland Security police officers, are not security guards, they are federal police officers.
For several decades they were known as the Federal Protective Service, with limited jurisdiction to federal property. In many areas with lots of federal building, they are a common sight. It was only after 9-11-01 they were merged with "Homeland Security" a term I still shudder when hearing it.
Not to belabor the point, the federal police unit gets word of a protest rally happening on whatever date, and they have a responsibility to protect federal property, their primary objective. Without knowing how many people are going to show up, what their disposition is, or if there will be counter demonstrations, as there frequently are, it is prudent to have officers on scene in case trouble breaks out. On the video, I did not see an example of excessive force, or any force for that matter. They are in every day uniforms, not riot gear, and they stand around and watch. Heck, the officers were greatly out numbered.
No trouble, no riot, everyone goes home, nice and peacefully. In fact, I'd be willing to wager the officers are more on the side of the protesters. In some smaller cities with not so many federal facilities, the local police are often contracted to provide law enforcement services. That's why some cities have them, and others don't. Yes I'm a retired city police officer, and I presently work across the street from a large federal complex with many HS police officers. Don't let imaginations and conspiracy buffs insult your intelligence. They are not an occupying force, they are every day people, who live in the communities, raise their kids, pay taxes, just like the rest of us.
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I believe you are right in this case, Pioneer.
But I bet a lot of the members of Hitlers SS were "every day people, who live in the communities, raise their kids, pay taxes, just like the rest of us."
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Sr. Judicial Analyst, and former Federal Judge, Andrew Napolitano, has a vid (at link) came out this morning. With his thoughts.
There is NO specific statute that specifies DHS "protect" Fed Property. This was a bully tactic and an intimidating move, once again by our illustrious regime.
Greta interviewed a Florida Tea Party Rally member, NO WHERE NEAR FED PROPERTY, and guess who showed up?
The DHS Po-Po... The "concept" of the DHS Police "obligated by statute to protect Federal Property" is a sham....
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2416516683001/did-dhs-send-armed-agents-to-tea-party-protests-on-irs/
Vids at link. To be fair, the DHS Police showed up at Occupy Rallies as well, also NO WHERE NEAR FED PROPERTY.
It's an intimidation tool.
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Anyone remember this?
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And then there is that whole NSA thing where some misguided whacko claims they have captured all of the data on this website and your Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Twitter, etc. account along with you telephone records from ATT, TMobile, Verizon, etc.
Really guys. Get off the conspiracy thing. The little that may be done (and only under direct court order and oversight) will only benefit and help the citizen and will not be abused by politicians or bureaucrats despite any desires for personal gain or ideological advancement because they are true to what they say. They do not collect information illegal to collect and misuse it...really...get a life.
C'mon...you don't really think the Administration would misuse intelligence, the IRS, BATF, The Justice Department, Homeland Security or other agencies for personal or ideological gain do you? It's just for protecting federal buildings and property and "good" citizens...nothing else. Stay home, nothing to see here, move along....
Geez, you guys act like they would target individuals or individual creeds or religions...how hokey is that thought? You are just conspiracy theorists run amuck...NO WAY this is being used against groups with differing beliefs of the Party like conservatives, Christians, Jews, etc....it's all in your little pea brains...nothing more. Progressive liberal communist democrats are not misusing the system and putting overlords in placed...that's a fantasy...just look at Benghazi...all an overblown ruse by FoxNews to drum up ratings and start poo-poo.
You guys...get a life. Jnevis is right on this one....open your minds and allay your fears. They are from the government and they are not here to hurt you or deny you anything...they are your friends and cannot be misused. They have families and mortgages and need a paycheck too. We can all be secure knowing they will walk off their job for no money to do the right thing just like those good guys in the black uniforms in Germany in the 1930's and 40's.
Really guys. So there is always a "guest" on the thread immediately after you post...even at 1:00 AM...don't be freaking out! There are not progressive ideologues misusing anything or planning to change things behind your back. It is nothing, relax, enjoy the nice warm water of the "frog pool".
PS: Jnevis I really do think you are a good guy and that you are sincere and upstanding. That is not to put you down...it is to affirm you are someone I like. It's good to know there are good guys still in there....but there is a new young crew that lacks an adequate education or upbringing on the way. I'm just going to have to lean the other way on this one. I worked on a government project with a Congressional strategic designation and have a different take on the ease of which federal law enforcement (including private contractors) can be misused. We may disagree on this one for a while.
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You are correct, Rastus. Thanks for yanking me back to reality. I fee like a naive fool.
And yeah...this warm water is GREAT....so relaxing...ahhh.
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Anyone remember this?
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I wonder what the guys on the stage in back think about their boy now?
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I wonder what the guys on the stage in back think about their boy now?
Whatever their opinion, I bet they do not communicate it electronically .
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We all remember the cartoon depicting a mouse flipping the bird at the eagle swooping in for the kill. I am sure we all laughed at it. We all thought the mouse performing his last act of defiance was stupid for intimidating the eagle, didn't we? But, in reality, the outcome would be the same nevertheless...that mouse was going to die. If there were 9,900,000 mice flipping the bird at the eagle would the outcome change? Fear and defiance are partners in the mind of the mouse, but not in the eagle. And so it seems to be with 330,000,000 Americans (some of whom are citizens) and the U.S. government. To change the equation, the U.S. government must have fear of 9,900,000 Americans. In order for that to happen, 9,900,000 Americans have to flip the bird at the U.S. government. What better mechanism to do that than the internet? After all, we now know that the U.S. government is listening in and paying attention. And when the number of bird flippers reaches 9,900,000? Wow, that's 3%, isn't it? Maybe, just maybe, they become fearful and we get some semblance of our republic back. It's becoming obvious that the opposition to gun control issues alone will not reach the 9,900,000 bird flipping threshold. But when you factor in Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS political targeting, NSA phone records collection and NSA's PRISM internet snooping as well as gun control issues with a base of support of 5,000,000 people, you only need another 4,900,000 bird flippers to carry the day. At 9,900,000 bird flippers, even jnevis will pay attention...okay make it 99,000,000 for him!
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If there were 9,900,000 mice flipping the bird sending rounds at the eagle would the outcome change?
FIFY
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We all remember the cartoon depicting a mouse flipping the bird at the eagle swooping in for the kill. I am sure we all laughed at it. We all thought the mouse performing his last act of defiance was stupid for intimidating the eagle, didn't we? But, in reality, the outcome would be the same nevertheless...that mouse was going to die. If there were 9,900,000 mice flipping the bird at the eagle would the outcome change? Fear and defiance are partners in the mind of the mouse, but not in the eagle. And so it seems to be with 330,000,000 Americans (some of whom are citizens) and the U.S. government. To change the equation, the U.S. government must have fear of 9,900,000 Americans. In order for that to happen, 9,900,000 Americans have to flip the bird at the U.S. government. What better mechanism to do that than the internet? After all, we now know that the U.S. government is listening in and paying attention. And when the number of bird flippers reaches 9,900,000? Wow, that's 3%, isn't it? Maybe, just maybe, they become fearful and we get some semblance of our republic back. It's becoming obvious that the opposition to gun control issues alone will not reach the 9,900,000 bird flipping threshold. But when you factor in Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS political targeting, NSA phone records collection and NSA's PRISM internet snooping as well as gun control issues with a base of support of 5,000,000 people, you only need another 4,900,000 bird flippers to carry the day. At 9,900,000 bird flippers, even jnevis will pay attention...okay make it 99,000,000 for him!
Truth is, you could have 50,000,000 Americans flipping the bird at the .gov, nothing will change. Nothing! The Federal bureaucracy alone seems to be approaching 50 million employees! ;D
The only thing that will change the .gov is for whatever percent of Americans need to react to start what was done in the Revolutionary times - tarring, feathering and running politicians and bureaucrats out of town on a rail - figuratively preferably, like the folks are doing in CO with the recalls. Literally, well, that's a whole lot uglier solution. It is considered a curse to tell someone - "May you live in interesting times", and the environment around real tarring and feathering - and the .gov's typically "normal" heavy-handed overreaction - would be very ugly.
The original patriots also burned down Tory homes and businesses, as well as .gov offices, as well as destruction of property in other ways (the original Tea Party dumping tea in the harbor for example).
I hope it doesn't come to this, but the Italians found an interesting solution to their fascist dictator when they strung Mussolini, his mistress, Prime Minister, et al. by the heels from lampposts in a gas station in Milan. That picture should by law hang in every Federal .gov employee's office - including the ones in Congress and the WH - as a "friendly" reminder of the ultimate power of the people.
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Path, I took a political leadership class by Dudley Brown (NAGR president) a week or so ago. He made the point that you don't have to move 100%, 50%+1 or even 10% of the population. He argued that out of the entire population less than 30% actually vote. In fact IIRC he broke it down to 8% D, 8% R, 3% I and the remaining 6% were the only votes in play. Granted we are talking general population/popular support and less than 30% supported the Revolution. I think we have to wake up those around us to what is going on. We need to be vocal to our politicians and let them know we need to cut welfare (drug tests first), shrink .gov and then we can begin to educate the Obamazobies that have NEVER worked for their own survival.
The path (no pun intended ;D ) is long and work is hard but we didn't get here overnight and we wont get back to where our country should be in a few years. The next generation is already beginning to fight and we need to aid in every way possible.
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Just to add. On a naval facility, you may have 3 forms of "security". Military MP's in digi's, civilian police in base attire, and contracted awareness security. What makes you think the same dynamic doesn't apply to other govt locations?
I won't disclose the location but during events we also have 3 other enforcement teams including Federal, state, and regional. An event of gathering persons would denote some added or adjusted security?
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An event of gathering persons would denote some added or adjusted security?
That would be on the verge of a 1st Amendment violation and we know that would never happen in the US of A... oh wait... nevermind.... ::)