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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: philw on May 30, 2013, 06:39:12 PM
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A Walt Disney World patron on a ride with her grandson found a loaded gun on her seat, officials said.
Officials said that the woman found the pistol on the Dinosaur ride at Animal Kingdom. The woman turned over the loaded weapon to a park attendant, who then contacted her manager and authorities.
The gun's owner, Angelo Lista, told authorities he discovered his gun was missing several minutes after leaving the ride. He has a concealed weapons permit.
Mr Lista told authorities he didn't know Disney World patrons weren't allowed to bring guns.
He said he thought the security checkpoint at the entrance to the Florida theme park was only so that guards could check bags for bombs or explosives. Patrons do not walk through metal detectors nor are they subject to patdowns.
Disney World, located in Luke Buena Vista, Florida, prohibits patrons from bringing weapons of any kind on its property.
It comes in the same week that police arrested a 22-year-old Disneyland employee on suspicion of placing a so-called dry ice bomb in a trash can at the theme park.
Nobody was injured in the small blast on Tuesday in the Mickey's Toontown section of the popular park in Anaheim, southeast of Los Angeles.
Christian Barnes, described as an "outdoor vending cast member," was arrested late Tuesday on suspicion of possessing a destructive device,
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/disney-world-gran-finds-gun-on-ride/story-e6frfq80-1226654148344#ixzz2Up2vBefb
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i read that the other day, thats not a opps, thats a you fucked up, turn in your ccw.
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i read that the other day, thats not a opps, thats a you fucked up, turn in your ccw.
Do "gun free zones" carry the weight of law in FL? There are many states that the words on the sign aren't worth the paper they're printed on, MN being one of them.
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I question how patrons are notified. We went to Bush Gardens, and saw no posting of no weapons of any type, but a call to their customer service informed me that "all weapons are banned." Now the questions is, how do you differentiate a tool knife and a weapon knife?
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it does not matter rather the sign had the weight of law or not. The guy lost in gun, and in a place where a minor could have got thier hands on it. that is inexucsable I my book. on another note, the Disney security is no joke,they don't mess around. Thats not to say is a place where crime does not happen, as it happens every where. They will eject you at will and will file any and all charges against you. No bs I have worked at nuke plants and at disney land ( both for industrail coatings) disney lands back lot security was better.
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We are broadly talking fruit here tab:
Apples - The guy screwed up, and his firearm came out of its holster - YES, his bad;
Oranges - Should he have had a firearm there - We don't know? What does the law say?
In Minnesota, as stated earlier, posting is a joke. I carry right past those signs every day. I carry at Twins games, I carry at Vikings games, I carry in stores, and I carry at the State Capitol - Legal, legal, legal, and legal!
Know your laws and follow them - Did he pass or fail, we want to know.
Handle your gun and be responsible - He failed!
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Know your laws and follow them - Did he pass or fail, we want to know.
Handle your gun and be responsible - He failed!
I checked handgunlaw.us and it say that in FL, signs do not carry the weight of law.
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To me, they had a sign saying not to carry, you don't carry. its a respect thing for me. its also why I am a big fan of tx 30.06 law. reguardless of the law, he needs to lose his ccw. He fucked up and fucked up big time.
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TAB, your so eager to yank any ones CCW for any screw up .
What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not get ?
If you want to get right down to brass tacks, there is no Constitutional requirement for responsible conduct included in any of the Bill of Rights , if there were MSNBC would not be on the air.
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no, but most states do have laws. Reality is the uscons, does not say felons should not own a gun either, it does not say alot of things. Thats besides the point. I am a firm beleaver, that if you want to cary a gun, there is a responcibilty that goes with it.
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I am a firm believer that if you are going to own a computer and keyboard you should know how to spell.
Illiterates and semi-illiterates shouldn't have the first amendment. I mean if you are going to write, there's a responsibility that goes with it...............
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We are all witnesses to the fact that TAB and California deserve each other.
Not ignoring the fact this guy screwed up, but there is more here than just throwing him under the bus.
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We are all witnesses to the fact that TAB and California deserve each other.
Not ignoring the fact this guy screwed up, but there is more here than just throwing him under the bus.
Perhaps unfortunately he has migrated to Ore.
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he threw himself under the bus, twice.
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Once TAB!
His firearm fell out of its holster. Big no no.
However, if posting in Florida does not carry weight of law, he did nothing wrong there. He was just as much in his right to carry there ans Disney is to ask him not to.
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Perhaps unfortunately he has migrated to Ore.
You can take the boy out of California, but you can't take California out of the boy.
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You can take the boy out of California, but you can't take California out of the boy.
If you don't believe it just look at Colorado.
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no, but most states do have laws. Reality is the uscons, does not say felons should not own a gun either, it does not say alot of things. Thats besides the point.
That's not besides the point, that IS the point Tom was making.
Yes, the guy screwed up royally. Give him the same stern talking to that cops get when they leave their guns in the shitter.
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Until the illegal NFA was passed former convicts COULD own guns.
There is a photo of Frank James, (Jesse's brother, not the blogger ) being given back his pistols by the warden as he was released from prison.
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he went past the sign, rather its legal or not, thats a bs move on his part. I know many of you don't agree. what if it was a no smoking sign and he lit up next too you? there are states where that is not illegal.
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Since I smoke like a chimney I probably would not even notice.
Please cite for me the Constitutional requirement that no one do any thing that annoys you .
Just be glad he's only smoking and not farting or masturbating .
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he went past the sign, rather its legal or not, thats a bs move on his part. I know many of you don't agree. what if it was a no smoking sign and he lit up next too you? there are states where that is not illegal.
Nit to pick...
It's "whether", not "rather"...
Laws, way too many! Way too poorly legislated! Way too poorly thought out...
If congress never passed another law, I'd be happy!
TAB, you've left the communism of CA behind. Climb aboard the train to America! It's there for the taking...
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i am a big fan of Tx 3006 law. for me its a respect thing. I don't care if they said no hats, or no bibles or even no blacks. They asked you not to bring it there, he did. Thats a huge sign of disrespect for me.
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he went past the sign, rather its legal or not, thats a bs move on his part. I know many of you don't agree. what if it was a no smoking sign and he lit up next too you? there are states where that is not illegal.
TAB, Did you miss the information that signs in Florida do not carry the weight of law? He did nothing wrong by legally carrying past the sign. Like I said before, I do it everyday, and I have the statute memorized:
624.714 Subd 17 (a) - Posting
624.714 Subd 1(g)(3) - State Capitol Complex and Courthouses
Can anyone cite the statute that says you can carry in a Post Office?
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18USC s/s 930
Section d...(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
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I am a firm believer that if you are going to own a computer and keyboard you should know how to spell.
Illiterates and semi-illiterates shouldn't have the first amendment. I mean if you are going to write, there's a responsibility that goes with it...............
I am screwed then.
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18USC s/s 930
Section d...(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
We have a winner!
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We have a winner!
I didn't have an answer but I did read the statute. It's rather ambiguous in nature and difficult to be comfortable with the wording.
Any insight from those more knowledgeable would be appreciated!
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What it says is that if you carry legally you can carry there. Just like most legislation it is STUPID.
Our legal system is restrictive - We can do anything, and laws put limits on it. However, most gun laws are the reverse. We have allowed our rights to be restricted so badly that we now have laws that say we can. Sadly we accept it, and we play the game. TAB and his feeling that legal carry is bad, because the carrier walked past a sign with no legal weight is an example of what is wrong with many Americans.
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What it says is that if you carry legally you can carry there. Just like most legislation it is STUPID.
Our legal system is restrictive - We can do anything, and laws put limits on it. However, most gun laws are the reverse. We have allowed our rights to be restricted so badly that we now have laws that say we can. Sadly we accept it, and we play the game. TAB and his feeling that legal carry is bad, because the carrier walked past a sign with no legal weight is an example of what is wrong with many Americans.
You and I are now definitely reading from the same page .
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TAB isn't looking at it from a legal point of view, but rather from a personal point of view.
He entered private property and disregarded the legitimate wishes of the owner.
He looks at it like someone coming into your house, knowing you have certain restrictions, be them related to firearms, smoking or missing the toilet when you take a whiz or any other particular.
TAB is saying to go into that house, deliberately and willingly violating the wishes of the owner shows disrespect, in TAB's veiw, unpardonable disrespect.
Where he goes wrong is wanting the penalty for that disrespect to be the losing of a right protected by the 2A.
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its like that in texas. Not many say texas is not gun friendly. as a small biz owner, I spend more time at work then I do at home. it might as well be my home, i have invested lots of blood sweat and tears in it.
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Solus,
The difference is that while Disney is private property, it is a business where we are invitees to spend money there. As invitees we have certain rights and expectations that are to be met by the invitor. In this case it is the law, and not personalities that count.
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THey also have the right to kick you out. texas got it right with thier 3006 law.
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THey also have the right to kick you out. texas got it right with thier 3006 law.
So ?
Let them, whats your point ?
No one knew he was carrying , the only real fact is that his pistol was found there.
Maybe aliens moved it.
Unlikely, but I challenge you to prove they did not do it.
Maybe it's Bush's fault ?
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So ?
Let them, whats your point ?
No one knew he was carrying , the only real fact is that his pistol was found there.
Maybe aliens moved it.
Unlikely, but I challenge you to prove they did not do it.
Maybe it's Bush's fault ?
Once again tab has it wrong. Even with the 30.06 sign you gave to be asked to leave and refuse before you break the law. That is on private property that is not a bar.
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Tom, no 3006 law says if you are cuaght going past a sign that meets the requirements of the law. You have commited a misdemeanor.
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Tom, no 3006 law says if you are cuaght going past a sign that meets the requirements of the law. You have commited a misdemeanor.
Come back down to earth TAB!
You are quoting Texas law. The event happened in Florida.
Outside of having spent far too much time in California, why are you so pressed on wanting government and business to be able to deny us our rights?
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What about the rights of the business owners? you don't have to go to thier place of business if you choose not to. if you read the post above mine you would see why I said what i did about the 3006 law.
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As a business owner you lose many of your selective rights when you advertise for people to attend you business. This part of statute and case law is a large part of business law in funeral service. It is common for families to wish to exclude and estranged family member, bad neighbor, bar buddy, or employer from a service. Once a business puts notice out publicly of the openness of the event to the public no restrictions beyond the law can be applied. This is where a no guns sign comes into play. As long as the carrier follows the law they can carry.
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M58 stole my reply right out of my head .
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Ah but disney world is not open to the public. You have to pay to enter.
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Same with any business TAB. You pay to participate. They invite you in, you pay to play, and they have limited ability to regulate.
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a Civil Right, just like race, religious belief, and now sexual orientation. What do the courts say about those? Do you believe that Disney would get by with saying no blacks, no females, no gays, etc.?
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Although I've never before considered M58 in the same context as a black lesbian I have to say I still agree with his reasoning.
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Yes, but you can't change your skin color or your sexual attraction, but you can leave your gun in you car.
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Yes, but you can't change your skin color or your sexual attraction, but you can leave your gun in you car.
Only if you have one .
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TAB just can't admit when he's wrong, even when it's pointed out to him. You can tell by his last couple of posts that he knows he's been beaten, but he just can't give up. I don't know whether to laugh or be embarrassed for him.
Ok, I'm gonna go with laugh.
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I a a firm beleaver that property owners have the right to restrict firearms from thier property. I am not talking about residents, but places of business. I am also a firm beleaver a employer can say rather or not a employee has a gun. like it or not, if something bad happens at a place of business, it does not matter if its a employee or a patron, the deepest pockets are going to be sued. I work very hard for what I have, I will be damned if some one being an idiot is going to take it from me.
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I a a firm beleaver that property owners have the right to restrict firearms from thier property. I am not talking about residents, but places of business. I am also a firm beleaver a employer can say rather or not a employee has a gun. like it or not, if something bad happens at a place of business, it does not matter if its a employee or a patron, the deepest pockets are going to be sued. I work very hard for what I have, I will be damned if some one being an idiot is going to take it from me.
If they don't like they should make their business "By invitation only" or go f*ck themselves.
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or you could just do the right thing and either not go or disarm.
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TT is right about you .
You turn "pig headed" into a punch line.
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Yes, but you can't change your skin color or your sexual attraction, but you can leave your gun in you car.
True, but it is still a civil right, and as long as I have the option to exercise my right I will.
Keep in mind TAB, there are two reasons that a business posts to ban firearms: 1. They are sheeple who actually believe that by posting the world will magically become a bed of roses with no boogie men; 2. Because their insurance company requires it.
I don't know which it is with Disney, but being such strong supporters of civil rights I'm sure we can reason with them on this one ;)
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i have never seen a insurance ploicy that requires it. I have never met a lawyer that won't say its a good idea to limit liabilty.
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Most banks are posted, because of their insurance, and many insurance inspectors will "recommend" it when they make site inspections. What happens if you have a site inspection sheet where the inspector recommends it, and then you have an incident with someone who is carrying on site and you haven't posted?
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unless its in the policy or says you must fallow thier instructions they will pay, might take years and lots of lawyers, but they will pay.