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Title: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: philw on May 31, 2013, 12:16:48 AM
Guess common sense is that rare these days it is a superpower

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A KINDERGARTEN student in the US has been accused of "traumatising" other students after bringing a coin-sized plastic toy gun on to the school bus.
The young boy was forced to write an apology letter to the bus driver, given a detention and may lose his bus riding privileges over the incident, The Blaze reports.
The bus driver said the student "caused quite a disturbance" and left other children "traumatised", according to the boy's mother.
The mother, Mieke Crane, accused school officials at Old Mill Pond Elementary in Palmer, Massachusetts, of overreacting.
"I could see if it was, you know, an Airsoft gun or some sort of pistol or live bullets or something. This is just a toy," Ms Crane said.
She said her son did not equate the small plastic toy gun with an actual firearm or weapon and did not understand the school's zero tolerance policy on guns.
Did the school overreact? Let us know your thoughts below.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/sixyearold-student-punished-over-tiny-toy-gun/story-e6frfro0-1226654285172#ixzz2UqPsuRqF
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: crusader rabbit on May 31, 2013, 06:49:35 AM
Idiocy abounds in this modern era.

Perhaps the little kiddies were afraid it would migrate up their nose and require a trip to the ER.

CR
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: kmitch200 on May 31, 2013, 07:08:58 AM
She said her son did not equate the small plastic toy gun with an actual firearm or weapon

Neither does ANYONE ELSE!  ZT & PC raise their thick but empty heads again.
What a crock of $#!+.
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: Timothy on May 31, 2013, 09:24:02 AM
But it's perfectly acceptable to drag people out of their homes at gunpoint here!  Remember the marathon?

I weep along with Rabbit!!!
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: lhprop1 on May 31, 2013, 09:33:28 AM
If any of my son's friends is ever "traumatized" by a miniature toy gun, it's time to take a close hard look at the type of sissies he's hanging out with.
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: Solus on May 31, 2013, 11:27:39 AM
All part of the plan.  

It is not about safety ...just about conditioning children to fear every thought or image of a firearm no matter how harmless.  The goal will be accomplished when a generation or two grow up firearms are evil except in government hands.


They will all grow up to be voters.

 
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 31, 2013, 02:34:06 PM
All part of the plan.   

It is not about safety ...just about conditioning children to fear every thought or image of a firearm no matter how harmless.  The goal will be accomplished when a generation or two grow up firearms are evil except in government hands.


They will all grow up to be voters.

 

If any of my son's friends is ever "traumatized" by a miniature toy gun, it's time to take a close hard look at the type of sissies he's hanging out with.

Solus is correct, but Ihprop1 said it better  ;D
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: MikeBjerum on May 31, 2013, 07:00:40 PM
Here's a question for you:

We heard from the mother, and we heard from the family attorney.  Where is the father in this?  If it were my kid, I would be in jail for at minimum terroristic threats, but more likely assault and battery, and a school administrator would be sporting bruises and lacerations.
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 31, 2013, 07:10:37 PM
Maybe he is .
See my post about Marlin Perkins. >:(
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: philw on June 01, 2013, 01:59:56 AM
Lol m58

Might not be around. Or he might be away with work

Lol or what he said was not able to be printed or put to air. As would of been in my case
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: billt on June 01, 2013, 05:17:03 AM
I have "Zero Tolerance" for stories like this any longer.
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: graywolf on June 03, 2013, 06:28:12 PM
Flash Forward to the very near Future....Military Recruiter to potential candidate:  "Well what role do you see yourself in today's Army(Marines, Navy, Air Force)?  Candidate: " Really anything as long as I don't have to learn to shoot or have to carry a firearm."
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: unclejames on June 03, 2013, 07:38:21 PM
Children are actually quite resilient and can tolerate amazing levels of unpleasantness. Its only when "well intentioned adults" begin to tell them how upset they are that they freak out . Watch a toddler take a tumble some time, they will usually react based on the parents reaction. Quit wussifying our kids and sprout a pair of onions. Every one will be better off.
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 03, 2013, 09:07:26 PM
The best Govt response to any perceived problem would be "ignore it and it will go away".
We have become the "Union of Socialist Busybody, Meddler's.
America's problem is not "Big Brother", it's "Maiden Aunt".
KMitch got it right with his signature line from Daniel Webster, (his birthplace is about 15 miles from here,)

"It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions."
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on June 03, 2013, 09:15:29 PM
Alexis  De Tocqueville put it best (as usual). I hate to give props to a Frenchman, but this guy had us pegged. From "Democracy in America".

“After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the government then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence: it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”
—  Alexis de Tocqueville - Democracy in America, Volume II (1840); Book Four, Chapter VI 
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: TAB on June 04, 2013, 02:29:10 AM
i would like to point out that zero tolerance is not always a bad thing in schools.  A zero tolerance for say smoking on campus or illegal activatys( drinking or pot comes to mind) for alot of things its not.
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: Solus on June 04, 2013, 09:31:25 AM
i would like to point out that zero tolerance is not always a bad thing in schools.  A zero tolerance for say smoking on campus or illegal activatys( drinking or pot comes to mind) for alot of things its not.

Zero Tolerance for illegal activities is a No Brainer..on campus or not.

Smoking is likely an illegal activity in most public buildings  and might be for under 18 year olds anyplace.

Having a toy gun or partially eaten Pop Tart isn't illegal in the vast majority, if not all, places.
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: 1911 Junkie on June 04, 2013, 12:31:46 PM
Zero Tolerance for illegal activities is a No Brainer..on campus or not.

Smoking is likely an illegal activity in most public buildings  and might be for under 18 year olds anyplace.

Having a toy gun or partially eaten Pop Tart isn't illegal in the vast majority, if not all, places.

TAB will say you have to eat in a way that doesn't offend his sensibilities. It's a respect thing.....
Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: tt11758 on June 04, 2013, 06:01:38 PM
TAB will say you have to eat in a way that doesn't offend his sensibilities. It's a respect thing.....

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Title: Re: Zero tolerance strikes again!!!
Post by: graywolf on June 05, 2013, 02:13:58 PM
My final words on the subject...
 Creating rules without thinking through how they will apply to individual situations provides an easy out for administrators. It's convenient for the schools who won't have to make judgment calls if they have a rule they can apply brainlessly.