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Title: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: GeorgeCook on June 02, 2013, 11:57:05 AM
I like watching his documentaries and I think this will be interesting to this forum:



Let me say up front I support hunting, though I do not hunt. Louis has some ethical issues with it, as you'll see, but I'm struck by the frank and honest presentation the hunting guides and game farmers present to him. There is a stark reality that you can see that people like Louis just can not accept.

Anyway, I hope you all find this interesting.

Thanks!
George
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: fightingquaker13 on June 02, 2013, 12:33:56 PM
I will watch it. I just bought a google nexus, and of course went searching for free books. I got Selous' on hunting in South Africa and also "The man eaters of Tsavo". Should I win the lotto I will be off to Africa, and no whining about the ethics on my part.
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: TAB on June 02, 2013, 12:44:30 PM
you may want to try audio books.  It takes some looking( local library is best bet) for free audio books.  They are out there.   I use my when I have to drive long distance by myself.   better then music.
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 02, 2013, 02:17:04 PM
FQ, 2 words,
Robert Ruarke.
Try "Death in the Long grass"
You also might like "Out of Africa"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_africa

Out of Africa is a memoir by Isak Dinesen, a pen name used by the Danish author Baroness Karen von Blixen-Finecke. The book, first published in 1937, recounts events of the seventeen years when Blixen made her home in Kenya, then British East Africa.
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: sledgemeister on June 04, 2013, 08:48:54 PM
Louis is just another hypocrite, his last sentence says it all, "I will eat the meat but I wont kill the animal". What he failed to say was he  and others like him will always put shit on those that are prepared to kill an animal, for no other reason but because they can and its easy to do so.
Walt Disney has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: fightingquaker13 on June 05, 2013, 12:18:23 AM
Louis is just another hypocrite, his last sentence says it all, "I will eat the meat but I wont kill the animal". What he failed to say was he  and others like him will always put shit on those that are prepared to kill an animal, for no other reason but because they can and its easy to do so.
Walt Disney has a lot to answer for.
This. If you can't kill, that's fine. But don't eat meat that someone else killed (on your dollar) and then look down your nose at the guy who did your dirty work. Either become a vegetarian, man up to the reality that every steak starts with a dead animal, or shut your gob. All three are valid choices. Condemning hunting over a steak? Not so much.
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: billt on June 05, 2013, 08:15:51 AM
All of these Bambi huggers need to take a guided tour of a slaughterhouse to see where those T-Bones come from, they all so love to chew on in the backyard on a sunny Sunday afternoon. It's called reality.
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: TAB on June 05, 2013, 08:18:09 AM
THey also need to see what happens when the population is allowed to explode or live in the hills and watch them eat thier gardens.    controled hunting is a very good thing.
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 05, 2013, 02:49:02 PM
This. If you can't kill, that's fine. But don't eat meat that someone else killed (on your dollar) and then look down your nose at the guy who did your dirty work. Either become a vegetarian, man up to the reality that every steak starts with a dead animal, or shut your gob. All three are valid choices. Condemning hunting over a steak? Not so much.

I was going to say something nice about the common sense displayed in FQ's post.
But if I do he'll turn around and post some brain wrenching liberal crap and spoil it .  
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: lhprop1 on June 06, 2013, 10:03:05 AM
I don't have time to watch an hour-long video at work, but the first few minutes of it shows them at a game farm.  Game farms are controversial for many hunters.  If his issue was with game farms, specifically, I can see where he's coming from.  If he's just some hippie who's afraid to kill an animal to provide food for himself, then he can go pound sand. 
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: Magoo541 on June 06, 2013, 08:41:41 PM
I watched the short film last night and wanted to ponder it a bit but forgot to  ;D

Anyway I'd have to agree with all the comments above.  He came across as a sh!t stirring "journalist" that could pull the trigger on some bacon on the hoof.
Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: JLawson on June 08, 2013, 02:09:15 PM
For me, the issue is one of dominion.  As I believe is true in most cases, if you prayerfully search the Bible for answers you are very likely to find them.  The Bible provides many examples of Godly and righteous men using beasts for labor and food.  In Genesis 9:3, God instructs Noah and his sons, "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

God wants us to use every resource of the earth to glorify Him.  We were given trees and stones to build our shelters.  We were given fish, birds, and animals for food.  We were given fertile soil, water, sunshine, and seeds to cultivate crops.  And God gave us the intelligence and physical ability to have dominion over all of these resources.  To exercise our power and stewardship over these gifts in a respectful and conscientious manner is to fulfill God's desire for us to have a rich and satisfying life while on earth.  I believe we sin if we abuse our relationship with nature by polluting or wasting what we have been given.

At the same time, I respect a person's decision to not hunt or fish... either for sport or to feed himself.  In our modern society, we rely on many "experts" for our daily needs.  We call on carpenters, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, doctors, dentists, etc. to provide the essentials as well as the comforts of life.  For some, this dependency is a matter of convenience... for others it's a matter of necessity.  Relying on someone else for food is really no different.  This level of dependency is why so few would survive in a widespread, cataclysmic event.

Title: Re: Louis Theroux's African Safari
Post by: GeorgeCook on June 08, 2013, 07:00:17 PM
I liked what the game farmer told him about the lions. He told him they would eat everything on him except the top of his skull and the feet. And then they would play with his clothes. That was pretty good right there....