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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: graywolf on June 07, 2013, 01:10:02 PM
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With all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the trampling of the First, Fourth and Tenth Amendment, the Second must feel like the lost child in the bus station. Why even the ACLU has jumped to the defense of the Fourth and Tenth as it always has in the past for the First. When the AP scandal broke, one journalist was quick to point out the importance of the First "because it is the first!" Keeping that line of thinking that should make the Second the second most important. To his way of thinking the Founding Fathers put them in order of importance. Well, we all know that without the 2nd, the rest are just quaint thoughts that filled out the page on the Bill of Rights. In the words of the Second Amendment, "I just don't get any respect." Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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I would say if there was a true "Rodney Dangerfield" of Amendments it would be the 3rd amendment: http://www.thirdamendment.com/third.html
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Maybe a bit obscure now but wait until Marshall Law is declared and the guys in the blue berets from the U. N. are nocking on your door with their luggage. >:( Ok, maybe a little paranoid, but it could happen, Cheah!
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Maybe a bit obscure now but wait until Marshall Law is declared and the guys in the blue berets from the U. N. are nocking on your door with their luggage. >:( Ok, maybe a little paranoid, but it could happen, Cheah!
Hence the second. Ok, Chao Li, wait right there, I just want to tidy up a bit. I'll go get your room key and get some tea started. I'll be right back. ;D
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Hence the second. Ok, Chao Li, wait right there, I just want to tidy up a bit. I'll go get your room key and get some tea started. I'll be right back. ;D
No need to wait, I've got your key dispenser right here in my IWB holster. Springfield XDM.
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I joked earlier about the 3rd amendment since it rarely comes up. Well the government finally got around to destroying that one as well. We're through the looking glass here people.
http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/05/nevada-family-says-police-occupation-vio
You don't often hear about lawsuits based on the Third Amendment, the one that says "no soldier shall in time of peace be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war but in a manner to be prescribed by law." That usually overlooked provision is cited in a federal lawsuit recently filed by Anthony Mitchell and his parents, Michael and Linda Mitchell—an oddity for which we can thank the Henderson, Nevada, police department. The Mitchells, who live in separate houses near each other in the Las Vegas suburb, were forcibly evicted from their homes on July 10, 2011, by police officers responding to a domestic violence report involving one of their neighbors. Here is how it all started, according to the complaint:
At 10:45 a.m. defendant Officer Christopher Worley (HPD) contacted plaintiff Anthony Mitchell via his telephone. Worley told plaintiff that police needed to occupy his home in order to gain a "tactical advantage" against the occupant of the neighboring house. Anthony Mitchell told the officer that he did not want to become involved and that he did not want police to enter his residence. Although Worley continued to insist that plaintiff should leave his residence, plaintiff clearly explained that he did not intend to leave his home or to allow police to occupy his home. Worley then ended the phone call.
The cops did not take no for an answer:
[Henderson police officers] banged forcefully on the door and loudly commanded Anthony Mitchell to open the door to his residence. Surprised and perturbed, plaintiff Anthony Mitchell immediately called his mother (plaintiff Linda Mitchell) on the phone, exclaiming to her that the police were beating on his front door.
Seconds later, officers, including Officer Rockwell, smashed open plaintiff Anthony Mitchell's front door with a metal ram as plaintiff stood in his living room. As plaintiff Anthony Mitchell stood in shock, the officers aimed their weapons at Anthony Mitchell and shouted obscenities at him and ordered him to lie down on the floor. Fearing for his life, plaintiff Anthony Mitchell dropped his phone and prostrated himself onto the floor of his living room, covering his face and hands.
Addressing plaintiff as "asshole," officers, including Officer Snyder, shouted conflicting orders at Anthony Mitchell, commanding him to both shut off his phone, which was on the floor in front of his head, and simultaneously commanding him to 'crawl' toward the officers. Confused and terrified, plaintiff Anthony Mitchell remained curled on the floor of his living room, with his hands over his face, and made no movement.
Although plaintiff Anthony Mitchell was lying motionless on the ground and posed no threat, officers, including Officer David Cawthorn, then fired multiple "pepperball" rounds at plaintiff as he lay defenseless on the floor of his living room. Anthony Mitchell was struck at least three times by shots fired from close range, injuring him and causing him severe pain.
The cops pepperballed Mitchell's dog for good measure, even though she was "cowering in the corner when officers smashed through the front door." They charged Mitchell with...wait for it..."obstructing an officer." His father, Michael, faced the same charge after he tried to leave a police command center to which he was lured under false pretenses while the police took over his house as well. The two men were jailed for nine hours before making bail, and the charges ultimately were dismissed with prejudice. The lawsuit argues that police filed the unjustified charges "to provide cover for defendants' wrongful actions, to frustrate and impede plaintiffs' ability to seek relief for those actions, and to further intimidate and retaliate against plaintiffs." In addition to Third and Fourth Amendment violations tied to the warrantless occupation of their homes, the Mitchells say the police are guilty of assault and battery, conspiracy, defamation, abuse of process, malicious prosecution, negligence, and infliction of emotional distress.
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Keep us posted on this Brushmore.
I didn't see any mention on Firewire or Brietbart.
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So tell me that at least some LEO's attitudes don't need to be pruned? and not just a bit.
The whole damn tree need to be made sawdust.
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I've said it over and over , with ample proof in support , that the average cop doesn't give 2 sh!ts about the law, the Constitution, or your rights .
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Doing some digging I found an actual court document which is attached. Reading this it sounds much worse than what is described in the news article. But it is just one side of the story.
But what bothers me about this is that cases like this always come down to money. If this was even partially true, people should be fired and maybe even sent to jail. I think the best option at this point is to put pressure on their bosses, i.e. elected officials before we slip too far down this slippery slope.
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Perhaps we will all have to post a copy of the Constitution at each of our home's entry sites to remind our LEO brethren just what they swore to "defend and protect".
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Perhaps we will all have to post a copy of the Constitution at each of our home's entry sites to remind our LEO brethren just what they swore to "defend and protect".
Yep.
I keep a pocket sized copy (I got two free form the Heritage Foundation) hand at most all times. I have actually, on several occasions, pulled it out and asked someone to "show me where it says" whatever they may be blowing gas about. Works every time.
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Yep.
I keep a pocket sized copy (I got two free form the Heritage Foundation) hand at most all times. I have actually, on several occasions, pulled it out and asked someone to "show me where it says" whatever they may be blowing gas about. Works every time.
I had one of those but left it at my Father-in-laws last year. I do have a copy on my phone though ;D
For Independence Day I read the Declaration of Independence before we ate, probably haven't read it all the way through in 10-15 years. Those that paid attention were struck by some of the reasons given and how close they were to what we are experiencing today. :'(
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Yeah...and now the Declaration is viewed by many in education as more of a subversive document than a unique Declaration of the natural rights of The People and their separation from tyranny.
No doubt tyrants would view it as a subversive document to be crushed, ridiculed and destroyed.
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Seems like the 10th may have been the first to be bitch slapped over the couch.
Not even most of us take that one seriously, as far as optimistic expectations go, seems like.. :(
I guess it'll take the most digging to get back to, though I do think it would be quicker to rediscover the Constitution by going forward.. (New Party, new Country..)