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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on July 13, 2013, 09:04:58 PM
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Whaddya' think?
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Good! A win for self defense. I'm expecting a civil filing coming soon.
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Same here. Every gun owner and CWP owner should expect some serious scrutiny over the next month.
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VERY GLAD TO SEE THIS OUTCOME! ;D You can count on the civil lawsuit, I'm waiting for civil unrest from the DOJ hired goons the DOJ sent down there with our tax dollars to incite civil disobedience.
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No civil suit in Florida. If its SD then the victim/family can't sue.
PS, does someone know how to merge this thread with the one in the café section?
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FQ,
Anything happening in South Florida, right now?
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FQ,
Anything happening in South Florida, right now?
Just me drinking a couple of celebratory beers and laughing at the anti's getting their asses handed to them twice in a row. Best part? The judge ordered the evidence released. So Monday GZ can go pick up his gun (sad thing is he's going to need it, and if I were him I'd upgrade from a keltec speedy quick).
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Thanks! Glad to hear. I don't have much in the way of reliable up to date news. Just trying to decide to stay put in a very rural but potentially turbulent town or bug out to a safer area. :-\
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Good! A win for self defense. I'm expecting a civil filing coming soon.
I believe the Not Guilty verdict makes him immune from civil prosecution, unless they can prove "breach of legal duty". That seems unlikely here.
"Martin's family can still file a civil suit against Zimmerman under Florida's Wrongful Death Act, which requires proof that Martin's death was caused by the negligence of another person or entity. To prove negligence under the statute, it must be shown that Zimmerman owed Martin a legal duty, that the duty owed was breached, and that an injury was caused to Martin by Zimmerman's breach."
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1130
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Hi;
The Home Owners Assn already settled long ago on this thing for 1 Million dollars. I wonder if they have regrets doing the settlement prior to any decision in the court trial ?
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I am all in favor of Civil Action and I think Zimmerman should start with NBC for editing his 911 calls, then he should move on to CNN and MSNBC. After that every poverty pimp and public figure pushing for charges starting with Al Sharpton and Jamie Fox. It's a shame he can't sue Zero (BO) for taking sides and behaving stupidly!
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I have kept tabs on the case fro the start and rather than having answers, I still have questions.
1. Why was he even charged other than simple politics?
2. Why do these so-called community leaders constantly play the race card when race is no factor, other than to desperately try to remain relevant?
3. Why now is there a push to have our stellar Attorney General look into charging Zimmerman criminally with civil rights violations? Again, other than political pressure?
Even if Zimmerman was following Martin(which I would not have advised), he had a right to do so, And Martin had a right to confront Zimmerman about following him(again, not advised). What Martin DID NOT have a right to do was attack Zimmerman. I also never heard anyone bring up the doctrine of Disparity of Force directly. This whole thing was a hot mess and a lesson to the rest of us that the most justifiable use of force can become a political fiasco. Prosecutors are political animals by nature so we all need to make sure our actions are seen as above board.
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Well, one benefit of having been tried with all the bias from the media and political leaders, it can never reasonably be said that it was white washed.
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Well, one benefit of having been tried with all the bias from the media and political leaders, it can never be said that it was white washed.
Reverend Al is blessing us with his presence here in Fl. today or tomorrow. I'll bet a box of .22 that it will be said. ;D
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Reverend Al is blessing us with his presence here in Fl. today or tomorrow. I'll bet a box of .22 that it will be said. ;D
You mis-quoted me. ;D ;D
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THe only reason he was charged was politics. the grand jury no billed it. It was not binding, but at that point if it had not been politics, it would have been droped at that point. If it had not been on the news, it would have never got that far.( unless the law required it)
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Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, needs to read Massad Ayob's four phrases to be recited following a defensive action, watch this trial, especially the closing arguments, reread Massad's words, and utilize them anytime you are involved with anything that could come back to bite you.
To quote Ron White: George Zimmerman "had the right to remain silent, but [he] didn't have the ability." And, this is what came back from the prosecution as "he lied, he lied, he lied".
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saw this posted on the net had a lol..
(http://i.imgur.com/tU7Bfw4.png)
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M 58 having read that more then a few times, even if he had fallowed them to the letter, it would not have mattered in this case. the media went full bore after him, if they had not it would have been forgotton quickly.
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TAB,
Have you watched, listened to, or read the proceedings? It is classic adrenalin induced affects. It is also classic accusations based on the changing stories as the affects wear off. Law enforcement and local prosecutors recognized it and worked through the affects immediately. However, the prosecutors kept harping on George Zimmerman "lied, and lied, and lied." That was the only part of the entire trial that concerned me as it went tot he jury.
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What I am saying is even if he did every thing "by the book" after the shooting. It would not have mattered as the media turned it political. The grand jury no billed him, it should have ended there.
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I wonder if GZ was 6'2" and 250 lbs if this would have happened at all? Martin saw a victim in GZ and proceded to make him one, just didn't count on the "great equalizer".
I agree that this was totally politically motivated and it ought to be a warning to all that carry of the possible outcome of a self-defense shooting. How much better off would GZ have been if he had been able to show some classes on self-defense training? MAG 40? Mas Ayoob finally broke his silence after the verdict but imagine if he could have taken the stand and educated America.
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Magoo,
If you take a GOOD or even average carry class, this will be covered. I have attended several, and everyone of them could have been taken right from the prosecution's closing argument. Some instructors will quote Massad, and some do not, but they will point out the affects of adrenalin, paid leave for law enforcement involved in highly charged situations, the reasoning, and invoking your right to remain silent until you have legal council and have had the time you need (according to your legal council) before opening your mouth.
After attending one of Massad's courses an instructor I work under discussed his opinion with Massad concerning Massad's four statements and our advise to limit it to less. Massad's reply, in a way that only Massad can say it, memorize it, practice it, repeat it.
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All this type of nonsense is exactly what happens when you elect racist blacks, and liberal whites into government. Sadly, we have no one to blame for this except ourselves as a nation.
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I can see a DOJ lawsuit coming. As soon as the Sharptons of the world started spouting their nonsense, Holder had to get involved either covertly or blatantly. It is turning to be both. We got the government that we deserve... :'(