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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: mkm on July 25, 2013, 11:09:00 AM
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Is the information on the following website still valid with the recent changes in Colorado laws?
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010 (http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010)
I know I don't have reciprocity there, but I want to be able to at least carry them through there. This website seems to make that appear easy.
**Edit** I double checked my reciprocity and I do have reciprocity there. I must have gotten it confused with another state.
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Glad to hear you are covered with your carry permits!
To the main topic:
Regardless of state legislation it CANNOT override federal Safe Passage provision, which states that if you are legal where you start, and legal where you end, you can transport firearms through a state with stricter laws.
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Good to hear you have reciprocity ;D Happy traveling thru Colorado! Hope ya get to enjoy some of the great spots & scenery.
If you go tru Denver area & have time, send a message thru this site & I'll buy ya a cup of coffee or 2 ;)
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M58. While you are correct, there are a few places that do disagree and will make your life hell. nyc and dc are the 2 that come to mind. remember you also must comply with storeage requirments in that state.
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Besides nycity,Albany will also give you grief if you try to check a handgun on an outgoing flight if you don't have a NY carry permit.
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Boston is another city that thinks that federal laws only apply if they like them .
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TAB,
If your gun is unloaded, cased, and in the trunk or in the rear of the passenger compartment of a pick up, suv or van, AND you don't do anything stupid you will be fine.
New Jersey ignored this law a couple years ago when a storm delayed flights and the airport refused to keep the gun case. However, it was all cleared up after a bit of pain, but the good news is that law enforcement nation wide got the education.
Nobody wants to be a test case, but we can't live our lives like Californians because there is corruption in law enforcement.
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TAB,
If your gun is unloaded, cased, and in the trunk or in the rear of the passenger compartment of a pick up, suv or van, AND you don't do anything stupid you will be fine.
New Jersey ignored this law a couple years ago when a storm delayed flights and the airport refused to keep the gun case. However, it was all cleared up after a bit of pain, but the good news is that law enforcement nation wide got the education.
Nobody wants to be a test case, but we can't live our lives like Californians because there is corruption in law enforcement.
Not so in Boston, NYC, or Chitcago.
Federal law says M58 is correct, those cities, and possibly others say "we don't care" they will bust you any way and not return your guns when you get acquitted.
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#1. There are many attorneys who now take these cases and quickly clear it up;
#2. What are the chances of running into the issues if you are passing through;
#3. It is up to you, but I am not going to be a sheep! This isn't like breaking the law and broadcasting it. This is acting legally and quietly.
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#1. There are many attorneys who now take these cases and quickly clear it up;
#2. What are the chances of running into the issues if you are passing through;
#3. It is up to you, but I am not going to be a sheep! This isn't like breaking the law and broadcasting it. This is acting legally and quietly.
If you are taking a legal gun on a plane, legally, and that plane gets diverted to one of those cities you will be arrested when you claim your luggage if the authorities don't like your particular fire arm.
You will be acquitted but you will be out time, lawyers fees, and you WILL NOT get your gun back.
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I wouldn't hold to that Tom. A lot changed when the airport and New Jersey screwed the traveler a year and a half ago.
Like I said, we don't want to be a test case, but I'm not going to stop traveling because of the one in a thousand chance of what if I am involved in an accident with my car or my plane gets diverted or delayed somewhere.
By the way, you are sounding more like TAB than pre computer crash Tom. Was your issue a power surge that hit while you were typing ???
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Well, if you do travel in an area that is gun unfriendly don't make a video of what you're doing and post it on YouTube....
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Well, if you do travel in an area that is gun unfriendly don't make a video of what you're doing and post it on YouTube....
Don't worry Solus, if I'm traveling in a "gun unfriendly" area CNN will supply the video. ;D
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Don't worry Solus, if I'm traveling in a "gun unfriendly" area CNN will supply the video. ;D
:D :D I think you are right. 60 Minutes will do a special on the route you plan to follow. ;D ;D
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I not sure how it works but what if you don't claim you gun case. Wouldn't they send it to the final destination or do you think they would pull it and turn it over to the cops.
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1Buckshot,
In today's world of people worrying about $1.50 on a $385 airfare, they book connecting flights with different airlines. If you book with let's say United, for all legs of the trip, they will check your bags through, and you will not even be able to gain access to them during a layover. The problem comes when you take Delta from A to B, United from B to C and Floyd's from C to D. In this case you need to calm your bags and recheck. That is where you get in trouble with unexpected delays.
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m58 I am working as a consultant now. often do to tight time frames or airlines just not flying from A to B atleast one out of every 10 flights I have to use more then one airline. It sucks, but thats part of life.
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Just be sure your magazines don't hold more than 15 rounds. I doubt that anyone outside of Boulder/Denver will give a rat's rear-end but I wouldn't want to be the test case.
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TAB,
They have this really neat option called Non-Stop. If you are worth paying to fly in, you are worth the few dollars more for a non-stop flight.
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Just be sure your magazines don't hold more than 15 rounds. I doubt that anyone outside of Boulder/Denver will give a rat's rear-end but I wouldn't want to be the test case.
I was wondering about that. I was thinking they would be ok to bring as long as I didn't sell, trade it give them away since y'all can still have the ones you own. Most of my pistol mags are 15, but all long gun mags are over that. Hmmmmm
How does the federal law work when you're making a giant loop? Technically, I'm on my way home as soon as I leave it; it'll just be two weeks before I make it back.
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i agree completely, but you can't always get them. if I take the puddle jumper from here to portland, I will always fly atleast 2 airlines. its a 4+ hour drive or a 2.5 hour train/ bus ride. Personally I like the train, the bus sucks but its only 15 mins. I am in portland now to fly out tonight. Its a no stop. You know where you don't get off the plane, no direct flight this time at any price.
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I was wondering about that. I was thinking they would be ok to bring as long as I didn't sell, trade it give them away since y'all can still have the ones you own. Most of my pistol mags are 15, but all long gun mags are over that. Hmmmmm
How does the federal law work when you're making a giant loop? Technically, I'm on my way home as soon as I leave it; it'll just be two weeks before I make it back.
If you are traveling to Colorado and then home, Colorado and home would be the two points where you need to be legal. If you could prove another state other than Colorado was your destination you could go with their laws. To me it sounds like Colorado law is what you are going to have to obey.
Also, The Free Passage rule is strictly for transportation, and it does not allow for use in a more restrictive jurisdiction.
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TAB,
Even if you are changing airlines, as long as you do not leave the airport you are ok. Where people, like in New Jersey, get in trouble is when the enter the airport or leave the airport with the firearms.
Even if you leave the airport, the Free Passage covers you as long as that jurisdiction is not your end point.
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That is how the law is written, but more then once the locals have ignored the law. you also have to be careful so states require a locked case/ gun lock. In ca a simple zippered pouch is ok, in others its not. just for the record I am flying with my gun tonight. my no stop is lax, if it was a stop, no way I would have brought it.
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Airlines require a locked hard case, so when flying that is a non-issue.
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I was wondering about that. I was thinking they would be ok to bring as long as I didn't sell, trade it give them away since y'all can still have the ones you own. Most of my pistol mags are 15, but all long gun mags are over that. Hmmmmm
How does the federal law work when you're making a giant loop? Technically, I'm on my way home as soon as I leave it; it'll just be two weeks before I make it back.
No. You're going TO Colorado. If it was a stop over on the way to Atlanta, you'd be fine. But the law says it has to be legal at the point of origin and the destination. If your ticket says Colorado? Well, that's your destination, and you play by their rules while you're there, as legally you aren't just passing through.
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No. You're going TO Colorado. If it was a stop over on the way to Atlanta, you'd be fine. But the law says it has to be legal at the point of origin and the destination. If your ticket says Colorado? Well, that's your destination, and you play by their rules while you're there, as legally you aren't just passing through.
The part about being on the way home was mostly a joke.
I'm not flying. I'm driving from Alabama to the four corners region to go to most of the national parks in the area. I'll probably be in Utah most of the time but will also visit Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, maybe cross the line into Nevada for a day. That's not counting all the states in between, but I'm legal in those. Tent camping and sandwiches to make it affordable.
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I was wondering about that. I was thinking they would be ok to bring as long as I didn't sell, trade it give them away since y'all can still have the ones you own. Most of my pistol mags are 15, but all long gun mags are over that. Hmmmmm
There should be no problem since you are the original owner and you maintain possession, don't sell, loan, give yada, yada, yada anyone else your Hi cap Mags and technically if your gun has a hi-cap mag in it you aren't even allowed to let anyone else to shoot it with the hi-cap mag. As you have probably read, July 1st people stood there passing, trading, exchanging hi-cap P-Mags on the capital steps with CSP watching them. They were in violation of the law an unenforceable one at that & nobody got arrested, fined or hand slapped.