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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Crescendo on April 10, 2007, 10:58:23 PM
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I've been looking at several lever action rifles in the 45-70, 444 Marlin, and 450 marlin Magnum caliber.
Anyone with any experience; do's / don'ts; etc. ???
Do the SAS shooters use anything that large?
Thanx, Richard
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Why not get a .454? You'll be able to knock down anything with it same as a 45-70 and you can shoot mild 45LC for Cowboy.
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Why not get a .454? You'll be able to knock down anything with it same as a 45-70 and you can shoot mild 45LC for Cowboy.
Thanx Haz - excellent idea :)
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If your thinking about using it for Cowboy long range events, I'd go with a traditional caliber like 45-70 so that it would be legal. You might want to check out a 1886 model or even a more cooler 1876 being imported by a couple of different companies.... ;D
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. . . . I'd go with a traditional caliber like 45-70 . . . .check out a 1886 . . 1876 being imported by a couple of different companies.... ;D
WW - I believe the 45-70 will do it for me - I have a friends Uberti to shoot this weekend - but , I will be looking at some others also -
Thanx :)
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In Cowboy Action Shooting You can use a 45-70 Lever action rifle in Long Range side events. Most use the Marlin Cowboy in 45-70 with some slicking up. I recently bought one and am in the process of getting it ready for this year CAS season. I'll let you know how it works out.
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i just ordered a Henry big boy in 44mag, i hope its as much fun and slick as my 22 golden boy. i have a marlin in 30/30 and 35 rem. they were already great, but after shooting the new Horanady ammo. its like two new guns. how much more fun can guns get? remember if your having fun somebody not going to like it!!! keep em close and loaded. P.S . mike and gun lovers i love the forum. in just a few days i have learned so much. and i don't yell anymore. xd40lover ::)
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i just ordered a Henry big boy in 44mag, i hope its as much fun and slick as my 22 golden boy. i have a marlin in 30/30 and 35 rem. they were already great, but after shooting the new Horanady ammo. its like two new guns. how much more fun can guns get? remember if your having fun somebody not going to like it!!! keep em close and loaded. P.S . mike and gun lovers i love the forum. in just a few days i have learned so much. and i don't yell anymore. xd40lover ::)
HEY! XD, ;)
I have two levers. Both PUMAs, one in 44mag and one in 454. Love 'em both.
The 44mag actually recoiled harded than I thought it would. I ended up fitting a pad to it so my son (13) could shoot it. The 454 came with a pad and with 45 loads (even hot ones) it feels like a 22.
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i just ordered a Henry big boy in 44mag, i hope its as much fun and slick as my 22 golden boy. i have a marlin in 30/30 and 35 rem. they were already great, but after shooting the new Horanady ammo. its like two new guns. how much more fun can guns get? remember if your having fun somebody not going to like it!!! keep em close and loaded. P.S . mike and gun lovers i love the forum. in just a few days i have learned so much. and i don't yell anymore. xd40lover ::)
Not yelling is prob. a good thing....... ;)
tex
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I've been looking at several lever action rifles in the 45-70, 444 Marlin, and 450 marlin Magnum caliber.
Anyone with any experience; do's / don'ts; etc. ???
Do the SAS shooters use anything that large?
Thanx, Richard
Check out the Savage 99, looks like a lever action, shoots like a modern longarm. It has a rotary magazine which means pointy ballistic coefficient bullets are okay, say
something in a .300 Winchester?
Best regards,
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Check out the Savage 99, looks like a lever action, shoots like a modern longarm. It has a rotary magazine which means pointy ballistic coefficient bullets are okay, say
something in a .300 Winchester? Best regards,
Hey JJ - thanx for the thought - I'm not locked in on Cowboy scenarios, but I am looking for something with an extra level of capacity toward deer and up, an outside chance for bear, but something I can tune into a 200 yard or less . At my house, the racoons do not grow extremely large, and it does not have to be in the arena of 3-gun specific.
I appreciate the suggestion - Crescendo
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Hey JJ - thanx for the thought - I'm not locked in on Cowboy scenarios, but I am looking for something with an extra level of capacity toward deer and up, an outside chance for bear, but something I can tune into a 200 yard or less . At my house, the racoons do not grow extremely large, and it does not have to be in the arena of 3-gun specific.
I appreciate the suggestion - Crescendo
C,
I'm telling you look at the Puma 454. 45 Lc and 454 covers a lot of ground and it's a good shooter.
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At my house, the racoons do not grow extremely large,
Why didnt you say so man.....In the case of the rabid raccoons I will suggest trying the Marlin 450Mag with the new Leveroution ammo. Just smoke the one in the lead so the others see how foolish your trashcan-boonanza would be to thier health. :D
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Pumas are really nice guns...I have one in .44 Mag I have used in cowboy events and it was slick out of the box. The .454 Puma looks to be a sweetheart, as is the cartridge. Pay attention to the factory specs on the gun, though. I have seen some .454s loaded up to Looney Tunes pressures, and I wouldn't want to launch any through a lever gun based on a Winchester 1892 action, even a beefed-up one like the Puma.
I suggest you shoot a few of the boomers...they all kick like wild mules. Buffalo Bore loads heavy hunting rounds for the boomers, and their site — http://www.buffalobore.com/ — is a wealth of information. I do like the Marlin 1895 Guide Gun in 45/70...don't have one, but I've shot them a bunch. In terms of .44 Magnum, the Marlin is the sturdiest of the bunch, although Bufalo Bore suggests having them rebarreled to stabilze really heavy bullets if you go in that direction. I have a Marlin .44 I've used in cowboy, and it's still rough as a cob. Steve Young at Steve's Gunz — http://www.stevesgunz.com/ — can fix that for cheap. He did my Sweetie's .32 H&R Marlin, and how it's as slick, or slicker, as my regular .357 Navy Arms M92 clone I usually use for cowboy.
If you want to spend the money and want the coolest of the cool, check out Jim West and Wild West Guns in Alaska (http://www.wildwestguns.com/), especially his Alaskan Co-Pilot in .50 Alaskan. Now THERE is a boomer! The .457 version will also fire 45/70s and .410 shotshells. One of these days I'm going to scrape up the green and get one for myself...just in case of velociraptors and some of the smaller T-rexes!
Michael B
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MB,
The Puma 454 will handle any SAMMI load for the 454 with no problems.
Also it has a 1/30 twist and likes the heavy bullets best.
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One of these days I'm going to scrape up the green and get one for myself...just in case of velociraptors and some of the smaller T-rexes!
Michael B
Yeah right, I dont know who you are trying to fool, cauz we all know that atop that bunker high in CO. there is a Barrett model 82A1/M107 with a half-a-dozen ammo cans full of preloaded mags. ;)
But if you need us to play dumb so you have a good reason......I am in man.
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Check out the Savage 99, looks like a lever action, shoots like a modern longarm. It has a rotary magazine which means pointy ballistic coefficient bullets are okay, say
something in a .300 Winchester?
Best regards,
ACCCCCKKKKKK! Apparently the Savage 99 was chambered in everything EXCEPT .300 Winchester!!!!! I go now to commit
Sepeku or Hari Kari or whatever!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_2000_Jan/ai_57886792/print
Excerpt:
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Ahead Of Its Time
Incorporating a five-shot rotary magazine rather than a traditional
tubular magazine in his 99, Savage again showed his genius. He gave
the hunter the advantage of being able to shoot ballistically
superior, spitzer bullets in a svelte lever action rifle.
There were other advantages as well to the rotary magazine. Made of
brass, it was machined specifically to each caliber chambered in the
99 so that feeding cartridges was smooth, flawless and in a straight
line. By having its cartridges contained compactly in the receiver
rather than hanging out there and chugging down a tubular magazine,
the Savage maintained its excellent balance and constant point-of-impact.
The rotary magazine facilitated the trim lines of the 99's slim
receiver that measured only 1 1/2" wide and 2 1/4" deep. The Savage
was easy to tote in the eastern deer woods and proved to be an ideal
saddle gun out west.
Finally, the Savage 99 magazine system incorporated a unique and
visible cartridge counter. Through a window milled into the left side
of the receiver, one could read exactly how many shells were held in
the magazine. Only at the very end of its manufacturing life did a
detachable magazine replace the rotary magazine of the Model 99.
Changing With The Times
The 99 action was inherently strong and gas proof. Chambered
originally for the relatively mild .303 Savage, the 99 handled the
modern, compact, high-pressure and high-velocity cartridges that came
on the market over the next 100 years. Before its demise, the
adaptable 99 had been factory chambered for 15 different cartridges:
the .303 Savage, .30-30, .25-35, .32-40, .38-55, .250-3000 Savage, .22
Hi-Power, .300 Savage, .308, .243, .358, .284 Win., .22-250, .375
Win., and the 7mm/08 Remington.
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And accurate? Well, the Savage lever gun could give most bolt guns a
run for their money when it came to out-of-the-box accuracy. Part of
the secret was in the stock. The butt stock of the 99 was drawn tight
to the solid receiver with a through-bolt as opposed to the
tang-mounted stocks used in Winchesters and Marlins.
The lock time of the 99 was remarkably fast and although the Savage
bolt locked up at the rear, it locked up tightly. More subtly, the
Savage 99 readily accommodated a scope sight -- an advantage that
helped shooters extract the utmost accuracy the Model 99 had to offer.
I have owned several solid-frame Savages in .243 Win., .250-3000, .300
Savage, and .308 that truthfully could be rated minute-of-angle
rifles. Triggers weren't ever the greatest, but the 99 can shoot!
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SAS shooters do use the .45-70, but not very many of them I'd assume, because of ammo price. I reccomend the .45-70 Guide gun. It's a great gun!
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. . . I recomend the .45-70 Guide gun. It's a great gun!
Thanx for the input walt - I've been leaning this way for the last few weeks - Time to get on with it.
Crescendo