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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on September 09, 2013, 05:17:42 PM
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This is all I know about this story .
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/09/questions-persist-after-ark-swat-team-fatally-shoots-107-year-old-man-during/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29
Questions persist after Ark. SWAT team fatally shoots 107-year-old man during weekend standoff
PINE BLUFF, Ark. – Authorities in Arkansas halted a standoff this weekend when they shot a man who opened fire at them.
But when police announced that the incident left a 107-year-old man dead, it sparked a flurry of questions about how and why the life of such an elderly man could end at the hands of a SWAT team.
Authorities in Pine Bluff said they used negotiating tactics, a camera and gas before they shot Monroe Isadore on Saturday.
Still, that hasn't addressed concerns from some described Isadore on Monday as a pleasant, churchgoing man who was hard of hearing.
A police report The Associated Press obtained Monday said an Arkansas woman told officers she had gone to the house where Isadore was living temporarily to help him move to a new home.
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I think the lesson here is don't shoot at SWAT.
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From the story I read yesterday, he shot at the SWAT guys once through the door and they backed off and tried to negotiate with him and then gas him out.
The 2nd time he shot at them, he wasn't so lucky.
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he wasnt the real "billy the kid" was he?
Pretty plucky for an old bugger taking on the cops wonder what set him off
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He could have been having a medical issue. Often things like TIAs have warning signs of extreme anger and violance before they happen.
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He could have been having a medical issue. Often things like TIAs have warning signs of extreme anger and violance before they happen.
Combine that with the mentioned hardness of hearing and there were a lot of things that could have been at play.
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Regardless of the health condition, age, or anything else, when you send lead downrange somebody is going to respond.
Sad as it is, I don't see anything wrong with this response based on printed reports.
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Just a WAG, but "suicide by cop".
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He could have been having a medical issue. Often things like TIAs have warning signs of extreme anger and violance before they happen.
A violent TIA? I've seen frustrated patients with TIAs, scared patients with TIAs but I have NEVER seen a violent TIA.
Insulin shock, yes.
Gaspasser's 'suicide by cop' seems to be as likely an answer as any.
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Suicide by cop ?
Jeez, he was 107, what dd he knock off ?
About 2 weeks ?
I knew there had to be more to the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/10/ark-police-officer-involved-in-standoff-that-left-107-year-old-man-dead-placed/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29
Ark. police officer involved in standoff that left 107-year-old man dead placed on paid leave
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – A police officer involved in a weekend standoff that left a 107-year-old Arkansas man dead has been placed on paid leave, authorities said Tuesday.
Pine Bluff Police Sgt. David DeFoor said the officer was placed on administrative leave immediately after he shot at Monroe Isadore, who opened fire on authorities.
"That is department policy when there's an officer-involved shooting that they're put on admin leave until the investigation is completed," DeFoor said.
Police would not identify the officer, who has not been charged with any wrongdoing. DeFoor said he believed the officer placed on leave was the only one who fired at Isadore.
Authorities have said they tried using a camera, negotiating tactics, and gas before shooting Isadore. But that hasn't answered questions from residents in Pine Bluff, a community of about 50,000 people some 45 miles southeast of Little Rock. Some are struggling to make sense of how someone known as a pleasant, churchgoing man who was hard of hearing and sometimes used a cane could die in such an explosive confrontation.
The fatal shooting happened Saturday after police said they were called to a domestic disturbance at the house where Isadore was staying.
Laurie Barlow, 48, of Lonoke, told officers she had gone to the house where Isadore was living temporarily to help him move to a new home, according to a police report. She said Isadore had previously been excited about the move but that when she arrived Isadore barricaded himself in a room.
"Ms. Barlow stated his granddaughter finally got him to open the door and she went around to speak with Mr. Isadore, at that time she stated Mr. Isadore raised his arm and pointed a gun at her and stated 'You better stop breaking in to my house,'" the report said.
After police moved Barlow and the granddaughter across the street, Isadore fired at a door moments after police tried to contact him. A SWAT team, called out when negotiations failed, maneuvered a camera into the house to see how Isadore was armed, then stormed inside after deploying gas and a distraction device, the report said. When Isadore fired, the entry team fired back.
It's not clear why authorities moved into the home when they did.
"I don't know what was going at the scene that would make them go ahead and go in," DeFoor said. "When shots are fired, it changes the whole idea of let's sit out here and wait."
Prosecutors are expected to review the case as early as this week.
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BOth my grandfathers would get very violent before they had a TIA. they would calm down, then the tia would happen. Its pretty common actually.
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The old fart asked for it. It's obviously his own fault for being blind and deaf and all.
If he'd had any sense, he would have kept his hearing and eyesight.
Now, get off my lawn.
Crusader Rabbit
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BOth my grandfathers would get very violent before they had a TIA. they would calm down, then the tia would happen. Its pretty common actually.
I think I understand now....You may have the timing of events a little off.
If you get violent BEFORE parts of your brain are being blood starved, that just makes you an asshole.
If your grandfathers were exhibiting symptoms, that is the onset of the TIA - not afterwards.
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He was 107 ffs give him a half an hour and he would have dozed off and since he was deaf he wouldnt even hear you coming and if two cops cant over power some poor old geezer aged (and will say it again 107) then they really should consider a career as a crossing guard in a ghost town.
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He was 107 ffs give him a half an hour and he would have dozed off and since he was deaf he wouldnt even hear you coming and if two cops cant over power some poor old geezer aged (and will say it again 107) then they really should consider a career as a crossing guard in a ghost town.
I was wondering the same thing. While it's seems obvious if the guy is shooting at cops they have every right to defend themselves. But why did that even happen. Couldn't they just wait the guy out? It wasn't like there were hostages or he would have been making a run for it or something.
There have lots of abuses lately with the use of SWAT teams but this one's not so clear. More details are needed.
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He might have had a "Hover Round", those things haul ass .
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he could have been wildly shooting too. We just don't know.
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Ark. police officer involved in standoff that left 107-year-old man dead placed on paid leave
How is it when cops and teachers screw up, they always get put on "paid administrative leave". And when we in the private sector do, we get FIRED.
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How is it when cops and teachers screw up, they always get put on "paid administrative leave". And when we in the private sector do, we get FIRED.
Paid administrative leave does not mean they screwed up. It is a part of their contracts that recognizes we should not and can not talk about situations until the emotions are calmed and we all know the facts. In law enforcement it recognizes the stress affects of an incident and gives the time for the body to adjust. Over the last few decades the media and coffee shop have conditioned us to believe that leave means guilty, when that is not the case.
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Maybe they figured it would be easier to explain than putting a 107 year old in jail..
I wasn't there... ???
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I forget the mans name, but there was a soldier who fought at the Battle of Bennington and Saratoga who was in his 80's at the time.
He lived to hear about the battle of New Orleans.
Just because he was old does not mean he is helpless.