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Title: Security Shotgun
Post by: trex6616 on May 25, 2008, 10:06:00 PM

I am in the market for a security shotgun.  I have looked at both the Remongton 870 and the Mossberg 500.  Can anyone give me some feedback on their opinions on this issue?

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 25, 2008, 10:15:38 PM

The Mossburg has TWO slide rails for a stronger action (I think ) But the 870 is a real good gun, I don't think there is anything to recomend one over the other except price.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: twyacht on May 26, 2008, 06:20:02 AM

Love my 870. as long as this doesn't happen: :o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uU8gBpRONHU&feature=related

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: tnroadrunner on May 26, 2008, 07:11:00 AM

Get a Mossberg 590.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: gunman1911 on May 26, 2008, 08:42:03 AM

The Mossberg is about $100.00 cheaper than the 870 . The 590 can come with a 8 round tube. What ever you chose I would recommend bird shot (6 or7) in a house situation so you will not likely go through the walls and it will still get the job done.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Hazcat on May 26, 2008, 08:47:43 AM

Also I like the safety and slide release set up better on the 500.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: gunman1911 on May 26, 2008, 09:05:41 AM

Those are also good points for the Mossberg and you can replace the plastic safety with a metal one.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: NYPD13 on May 26, 2008, 09:08:07 AM

BOTH ARE EXCELLENT, RELIABLE  DESIGNS WITH PLENTY OF AFTER MARKET PARTS TO CUSTOMIZE TO MEET YOUR NEEDS. WHEN PURCHASING MINE IT CAME DOWN TO COST. AFTER CUSTOMIZING MY MOSSY 500 IT STILL COST LESS THE THE REMINGTON. I'M EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH MY MOSSBERG 835 WATERFOWL(SHADOW GRASS CAMO).

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: gunman1911 on May 26, 2008, 09:22:07 AM

I have a I have friend down state that has a recipe for 2 3/4 inch shells that blows gesse out of the sky better than any 3 inches could ever hope to but man what a recoil! I have shot 3" slugs that did not even compare.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: leatherman92 on May 26, 2008, 09:22:29 AM

I've had both and like the 870 better.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Walter45Auto on May 26, 2008, 10:08:12 AM

I've never had either, but I do have a Mossberg 590, and It's an excellent gun. My dad has a Winchester 1300 Defender, and it's an excellent gun. The 1300 has a smoother action than the Mossbergs and Remingtons, or at least the ones I've handled.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Michael Bane on May 26, 2008, 11:03:39 AM

DARN! I gotta come down on the side of...BOTH of them!

I tend to be an 870 Guy because that's what I started shooting as a kid. My main security shotgun is an 870 Vang Comp. OTOH, I'vs shot a bunch of Mossbergs, and they are rocks. I like a poll in which you can't lose!

In either case, I cannot recommend HANS VANG enough...the Vang Comp system is every bit as good as you've heard, and we've done side by side comparisons of patterns!

https://www.vangcomp.com/

Michael B

PS: Maybe we should give away some tactical shotguns on DRTV...

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: jerry on May 26, 2008, 11:08:59 AM

Darn tootin MB.  We all like them there give-a-ways.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Ron J on May 26, 2008, 11:20:40 AM

Michael is right ... both are great shotguns.  I just sold my Remington 870P to a friend and will be in the market shortly for another 12ga to compliment my old Winchester M12.  I am leaning towards the Mossberg 590 or Mossberg 930SPX.

IF you like taking 12ga guns to the extreme, check out Michael's posts on his new Serbu Super Shorty. 

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Pathfinder on May 26, 2008, 11:38:06 AM

It wasn't one of the choices, but I picked up a JC Higgins (Sears) Model 60 at a garage sale for $45. No, that price ain't missing any digits.

Gotta do a little gunsmithing with it, but it has this cool adjustable choke ("Poly Choke") on the front that looks like a combo compensator and breaching tool. I'll post once I get it cleaned up and repaired.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: ericire12 on May 26, 2008, 03:56:41 PM

Quote from: Michael Bane on May 26, 2008, 11:03:39 AM

DARN! I gotta come down on the side of...BOTH of them!

I tend to be an 870 Guy because that's what I started shooting as a kid. My main security shotgun is an 870 Vang Comp. OTOH, I'vs shot a bunch of Mossbergs, and they are rocks. I like a poll in which you can't lose!

In either case, I cannot recommend HANS VANG enough...the Vang Comp system is every bit as good as you've heard, and we've done side by side comparisons of patterns!

https://www.vangcomp.com/

Michael B

PS: Maybe we should give away some tactical shotguns on DRTV...

Bullseye!

Just another Chevy vs Ford debate.... They are both great guns, and you cant go wrong with either choice.

Yes Michael, I want to win a tactical 12 ga.!

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: 2HOW on May 26, 2008, 08:33:35 PM

Go with the Saiga , awsome gun.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: kmitch200 on May 27, 2008, 11:22:45 AM

I have both, a lefty 870 and Mossy 500. The Mossberg usually gets the nod for road warrior work just because it's chea less expensive and I hate beating up my purty 870.
If I had to choose which one to grab in a pinch, there isn't enough difference between the two - both are great shotguns.
If you are not limited by funds, get an 11-87 or 1100 or another brand gas gun of your choice - they shoot much softer.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: pioneer on May 27, 2008, 04:07:46 PM

I've used both, and both are great.  There are many after-market attachments for both, including lights, pistol grip stocks, folding stocks, heat shields, ghost right sights, magazine extenders, etc.  I used 870's as a cop, and own a Mossberg 500.

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb294/pioneer461/Guns%20-%20Long%20Guns/Guns005.jpg)

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb294/pioneer461/Me/police.png)

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: twyacht on May 27, 2008, 08:21:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvQJsYnkNhA&feature=related . I hate when this happens.

Sorry, wrong video posted due to a gremlin in my system.

Although, I still love my 870.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Walter45Auto on May 27, 2008, 09:56:25 PM

Quote from: Michael Bane on May 26, 2008, 11:03:39 AM

DARN! I gotta come down on the side of...BOTH of them!


PS: Maybe we should give away some tactical shotguns on DRTV...

Now that's a good idea for a giveaway!!!

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Hazcat on May 27, 2008, 10:00:34 PM

Quote from: Walter45Auto on May 27, 2008, 09:56:25 PM

Now that's a good idea for a giveaway!!!

YEP!  and with his new show (Armed Citizen?) to show us how to best use a normal SC for home defense it would be VERY cool!

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: trex6616 on May 27, 2008, 10:17:55 PM

Thanks for all the great responses guys!!!  Looks like a toss up and which one I can get the best deal on.   Michael  it would be a great idea to have one as a  giveaway!!!

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Hazcat on May 27, 2008, 10:22:24 PM

TREX,

Yep I would say 'toss up' so put them in your hands and check how YOU like the feel and controls (safety, release, etc) then pick the one YOU like.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Big Frank on May 29, 2008, 12:01:04 PM

I have a Remington Model 1100 (Sportsman 12 Auto, actually) with a pistol grip stock and 18-1/2 inch barrel. I can, and have, fired 7 shots one-handed with it. If one hand is disabled a pump doesn't do you much good, unless your name is Sarah Conner.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: blackwolfe on May 29, 2008, 08:51:23 PM

I love my Ithaca 37's.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: mtnscout on June 01, 2008, 12:59:18 PM

A lot of police agencies use the 870, ditto for the services. I use the 870 at work and I also have one at home because I'm familiar with it and trust it. Either one would work and they both are fun to shoot.
 WARNING!! You can spend more on aftermarket goodies then you spent on your shotgun ;)

I think the idea of a tactical shotgun giveaway would be great ;D

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 01, 2008, 01:14:37 PM

Just a thought, not a slam on either shot gun or manufacturer, but it might be a good idea to get a shotgun that operates the same as your primary rifle (The one(s) you shoot the most). I'm generaly a semi Auto rifle shooter, I don't know how many times at the range I have tried a second shot with a friends rifle and had nothing happen as I forgot to work the bolt   :o It's funny, and leads to razzing at the range, but in a life or death situation at 0 dark thirty that sort of confusion can get you killed. As I said, just a thought.
Some one once said, "The two loudest sounds in the world are a BANG when you expect a click, and a click when you expect a BANG."

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: blademan11 on June 01, 2008, 03:09:48 PM

Either gun is a good deal. My 3" 870 with external ammo carriers holds 18 rounds. #1 Buck in the country and #9 spurshot for town. With small shot the load is much safer to neighbors but will spread shot from mouth to lower intestines in baddies if aimed at sternun from 20 feet.I call it Chain-saw in a can.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 01, 2008, 08:54:24 PM

Chainsaw in a can ? I like that ;D

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: HAWKFISH on June 03, 2008, 07:20:36 AM

I dunno.. I have the same delima.. between the same two shotguns too. I am hoping to get one in a few months. I love the way the Remington feels, but I like the lower cost and reliability of the mossberg.   ???  Both do seem like good choices..   I guess whichever you like best.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: ccd on June 03, 2008, 11:11:42 AM

I REALLY like semiautos more for defense over pumps. If the Saiga 12 isn't your cup of tea, you might want to consider the Stoeger 2000 Defense model (Turkish made Benelli) MSRP is $479.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: tumblebug on June 15, 2008, 06:34:23 PM

 11-87 SPECIAL PURPOSE 21 inch rifled barrel & sights.[oh my]

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: John McCreery on June 25, 2008, 01:12:34 PM

Grew up with the 870 and love it.  Had a saiga and sold it!  Big mistake!  I'll be going back to saiga as soon as it comes in from back order.

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: hp-hobo on June 25, 2008, 02:03:30 PM

We are a two Mossberg family.  My wife has a 500 HS410 with an 18.5" barrel, full stock and pistol grip forearm.  I have a 500 Persuader (12 gauge) with an 18.5" barrel, pistol grip and standard forearm.  Both get regular workouts out behind the house with bird shot and carry 00 shot (5+1) in the house.  Mine makes a bigger bang and uses cheaper ammo.  Hers is "cute" and she digs it.

At least one of them is at the ready whenever we’re sleeping.  Don’t be a bad guy in our home.   :-X

Title: Re: Security Shotgun
Post by: Solus on June 25, 2008, 03:20:29 PM

I own both a 870 and a 590.

The 590 has the Vang Comp System and a Knoxx SpecOps Folder

The 870 is by far the smoother of the two actions.

The 590 is much easier to shoot with the compensation and the Knoxx stock.

The safety on the 590 is mounted on the tang and is easier to use than the 870.  However, if you install a pistol grip stock on the 590, the safety location becomes a problem..your thumb just isn't up there any more.

A back bored and elongated forcing cone is great for HD and target shooting, but is not so good for hunting.  It does make for a very tight pattern but does so by stringing out the shot load.  This really makes a tight pattern on stationary or slow moving targets, but on birds or faster moving game, you will get fewer hits because it moves out of the pattern before all the shot has arrived.

If I had to choose one of them, I'd go with the 870 because is feels so smooth and works better with a pistol grip.  I use the Knoxx SpecOps adjustable tactical stock because I found the length of pull on the folder is too long for me...and I'm 6'2.

I have not looked into Vang Comp barrels for the 870