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Title: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Ron J on June 03, 2008, 08:45:58 PM
The American people … gun owners and non-gun owners face a serious threat to our freedom this November. 

It is well documented that Barack H. Obama has a clear record against our right to keep and bear arms.  To this, can the NRA connect with every gun store and gun range in the country and have posters and signage developed to explain what it means to their freedoms and right to keep and bear arms if he is elected?  Can the NRA partner with manufacturers in the firearms industry … from ammunition to waders … to put information with their products sharing the clear and present danger that Barack H. Obama represents to the American people regarding their rights? 

This is short notice and printing and shipping timelines would be tight.  All the same, communicating what Obama represents and how people can be active in opposing his election can be a critical success driver to protecting our freedoms. 

After all, we are the bitter people that cling to our guns and religion ... and we must cling together to fight this threat. 
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: ericire12 on June 03, 2008, 08:52:39 PM
AMEN!

The NRA does a great deal for gun owners, but I am of the belief that they certainly don't do enough. With as powerful of a group as the NRA is, there is no way in hell that the crap that goes on in this country (with regards to treading on our 2nd amendment rights) should ever see the light of day! If we ever go the way of Britain or Australia or any of the other countries that have banned handguns or worse, then it will be for the sole reason that the NRA has dropped the ball. They have the money, they have the membership numbers, they have positioning in Washington..... but what are they doing with it?
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Ron J on June 03, 2008, 09:00:17 PM
Ericire12:
They have the money, they have the membership numbers, they have positioning in Washington..... but what are they doing with it?

Exactly!  Point of sale materials such as a counter display to on-pack information with a web site to connect to for information.  They have the money and the scale to make something happen and happen quickly. 

Communication is critical. 
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Rastus on June 03, 2008, 09:41:56 PM
............If we ever go the way of Britain or Australia or any of the other countries that have banned handguns or worse, then it will be for the sole reason that the NRA has dropped the ball. ..........
I take issue that the job is the NRA's, hence their fault.  The job is ours and not the NRA's.  If we believe what we say we believe, that being that power comes from the people, then that is where the NRA's power comes from.  The NRA's  numbers are not that large in comparison to some other organizations with a left-wing bent.....such as the AARP.  Those of us who are NRA members had a chance to vote this year, last year, etc. for our leadership.  Did you vote in the last NRA election?

It is easy to say someone else is not doing enough or focused the right way.  That is exactly what I am hearing here.  Whining threats to the NRA to do something.  If a few million "Zumbo" Uncle Fud hunters would sign up for NRA membership instead of "waiting for someone else to do it", it would be a big help in boosting NRA prowess.  Getting a couple of new members signed up this summer would help even more at this point.  I've signed up two (paid for them myself) this year...how many have you signed up?  And, please tell me you are voting members.

The NRA's power has been greatly diluted, let us not forget, by our "friend" John McCain via the McCain-Feingold plague. 

Yes we have a problem foe in B-HO and the She-Beast, but the "White Knight" is terribly stained as well.  This is what I mean by a slow death of having a Dem-lite as a conservative candidate.

Again, the NRA's power has been greatly diluted, let us not forget, by our "friend" John McCain via the McCain-Feingold plague.  Remember who Feingold is, what she stands for, who she stands with and how the "White Knight" was happy to work with her to muzzle the NRA and other grass roots organizations while consolidating power in the 2-party system. 

The NRA has also had to focus greatly on local and state issues....since "our" administration has not been as helpful as they promised in ensuring gun rights.  The NRA was behind the great success in getting CCW so widely accepted in the U.S. and innumerable local and state suits and gun friendly laws.

McCain needs a good running mate....someone like the Alaska Governor, to win the election.  Then no later than Feb. 2009 resign the presidency.

Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: twyacht on June 03, 2008, 09:59:41 PM
Wife found out in 2004 election the true left leaning AARP's stance and dropped them.
Ericire12:
They have the money, they have the membership numbers, they have positioning in Washington..... but what are they doing with it?

Exactly!  Point of sale materials such as a counter display to on-pack information with a web site to connect to for information.  They have the money and the scale to make something happen and happen quickly. 

Communication is critical. 

When I go to my local gun shop(1 or 2 times a week), sometimes just to chat about "ammo,guns,whatever", the other customers 96% of the time, sound like most Americans. Gas and ammo and food and everything is costing and affecting their lives.

I agree the point of purchase distribution of relevant issues would help those who are not ignorant by any means, but just fed up with those "Washington types" and don't think they can do anything to change the "system".

They would probably take something from a local gun shop more seriously than handing it out on the sidewalk.
The NRA and other groups certainly could exploit this angle better.

There is not ONE NRA or Grassroot Org. poster board in the several gun shops in my town that could stimulate more active participation from the citizenry.

Plus, some but not all gun shop owners want to take the effort to exploit an avenue and resource that comes in everyday.

I'll try my part, and hope for the best.
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: ericire12 on June 03, 2008, 10:18:53 PM
I take issue that the job is the NRA's, hence their fault.  The job is ours and not the NRA's. 


The NRA is the greatest representation that we have at our disposal. Aside from casting a ballot and writing your congressmen as often as possible, there is little we as individuals can do. Collectively, we have a voice. But if they do not use the time, money, and talent which they have at their disposal effectively, then yes, THEY have dropped the ball. They have all the tools needed to get the job done. If they fail then it is because they have not been faithful stewards of what we have entrusted them with.

Why do you pay your dues???
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: wisconsin on June 03, 2008, 10:49:45 PM
I hope that everyone who is part of DRTV is at the very least a 1 yr. member of the NRA. If not there enough gun related companys that will pay the first $10 of your first year membership. I must admit to some fault on my part. I don't do enough. I have not voted (NRA) and have not been as active as I should be. I could use a valid excuse of no time between family and job. But that won't do me any good if I lose my right to keep my firearms. I do always round up on my purchases and donate when I can. But since I have not been as active as I should be. I know that I can't become an armchair member and complain about the NRA. They are only as strong as we are.  My opinion on this thread is only how I view myself and not others here tonight. 
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Ron J on June 03, 2008, 11:45:32 PM
Without the NRA, our gun rights would not be what they are today.  Great organization that leads the way in protecting our RKBA. 

My point is for the NRA to utilize their scale and their connections in the firearms industry to initiate incremental activities ... at point of purchase, gun ranges, etc. to help fight Obama.  I think it is something worth doing ... and would be willing to help!   
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 04, 2008, 02:40:04 AM
E mail this to Steve Saneti, new boss at National Shooting sports foundation.
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Rastus on June 04, 2008, 06:08:13 AM

The NRA is the greatest representation that we have at our disposal. Aside from casting a ballot and writing your congressmen as often as possible, there is little we as individuals can do. Collectively, we have a voice. But if they do not use the time, money, and talent which they have at their disposal effectively, then yes, THEY have dropped the ball. They have all the tools needed to get the job done. If they fail then it is because they have not been faithful stewards of what we have entrusted them with.

Why do you pay your dues???

I send regular, large donations.  I don't have dues....I've been a life member for over 25 years now.

The NRA political got George Bush elected, twice.  You guys have fallen off the deep end to think the NRA doesn't do anything.  Or have you forgotten?   That was back when I thought the lesser of two evils was OK.

Are you a member of a gun supportion organization or do you just want to complain to impress people and make yourself feel better about doing nothing?

Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 04, 2008, 11:16:10 AM
I send regular, large donations.  I don't have dues....I've been a life member for over 25 years now.

The NRA political got George Bush elected, twice.  You guys have fallen off the deep end to think the NRA doesn't do anything.  Or have you forgotten?   That was back when I thought the lesser of two evils was OK.

Are you a member of a gun supportion organization or do you just want to complain to impress people and make yourself feel better about doing nothing?


Rastus, I'm a member, but when the NRA was founded to protect and promote our shooting heritage a civilian could buy feild artillery from Bannerman with no paper work, mail order. Ain't like that now   >:(  Besides all the GOOD stuff they do, they are LOBBIESTS, they are in the business of raising money, full unqualified victory for gun owners is not in their best business interest.
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: ericire12 on June 04, 2008, 11:40:43 AM

Rastus, I'm a member, but when the NRA was founded to protect and promote our shooting heritage a civilian could buy feild artillery from Bannerman with no paper work, mail order. Ain't like that now   >:(  Besides all the GOOD stuff they do, they are LOBBIESTS, they are in the business of raising money, full unqualified victory for gun owners is not in their best business interest.


Hit!
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Bill Stryker on June 04, 2008, 03:47:14 PM
Rastus has the right idea.

UPGRADE to life  member, if you are already a life member upgrade to a higher level and send in donations to the NRA. I have been a life member since I used my combat pay in Vietnam to purchase it in 1965 or 66. But in addition to sending in donations consider an upgrade to your membership.

Everyone who is a member of the NRA has a right to bitch and if you have a membership level that lets you vote a vote on NRA board members. Some of you may be too young to remember that that membership vote has changed the NRA from a target shooting support group into one of the most powerful grass roots and lobbying organizations in the nation in my lifetime.

From my time at the NRA Convention this year I think the NRA is well aware of what is at stake in this election. It is up to us to support us - the NRA - with our talents and our money to make sure the voice of gun owners is heard.

I upgraded my membership a level and sent donations this year. I don't think I am done yet.
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: pioneer on June 04, 2008, 06:52:16 PM
Since it is we gun owners who are the NRA, what have you done to spread the word?

Have you contacted your district rep and volunteered to work the gun shows to sign up members and offer voter registration documents?  Have you donated any hard earned dollars to the cause? 

There are by some estimates, over 80,000,000 gun owners in the United States.  The NRA reports about 4 - 5 million members.  Does anyone see anything wrong there?  We who are working to protect and defend our rights are tired of pulling the load for the freeloaders among us.  If you are not a member, join.  If you know gun owners who are not members, bug them until they join us.  Imagine if every gun owner in America were to stand up and be counted.  We would be unbeatable and Barack Hussein Obama would become a footnote to history.
 

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Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Ron J on June 04, 2008, 10:52:08 PM
Pioneer … Great points!   But my thoughts and intent of this thread go to a larger scale.  A marketing campaign that is 2nd Amendment centric. 

My thought is initiating targeted marketing efforts.  Using the NRA’s scale (size, critical mass) to hit the guns stores and ranges with “point of sale” type of materials that share the differences in candidates.  Magazine ads in all of the outdoor and shooting magazines that show the differences and what it means if Barack Obama is elected.  Classic marketing that shows the positioning of the products … the candidates … and illustrates the features and benefits of what the November vote means. 

The NRA has the muscle, scale and ad agency to provide the copy and creative to do this. 
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Michael Bane on June 04, 2008, 11:21:46 PM
I think we all know what's at stake this November...and it's big time scary.

Once on a radio show I was asked whether I agreed with everything the NRA did. I told them that i didn't agree with everything my mother did, much less the NRA. But I also said that I gave money to the NRA for one reason and one reason alone — to be my big ole attack dog. They play the Washington game at a level I can only imagine, and we need them to do that.

I think it's in our court to turn out the gun vote. NSSF is gearing up to spend a fortune. Outdoor Channel is gearing up a "Get Out The Vote" television campaign. We're looking at using every media at our disposal to get out guys and guyettes to the polls. But in the end it falls to every one of us to make sure that all the people in our circle of friends and contacts PULL THE DARN LEVER ON THAT TUESDAY! I don't want to hear any more crap about supporting some minor candidate because "it's the right thing to do;" this election is for all the marbles. If we don;t vote guns this time, we may not get a next time.

Look at his record — b-HO wants to destroy the Second Amendment...he wants to ban handguns...he wants to ban semiautos of any kind...he wants to end concealed carry through federal law...he wants to tax/regulate ammunition out of existence...he doesn't believe in the right of self-defense...he despises us bitter gun owners and all that we believe in.

Time to stand up, boys and girls!

Michael B (ranting slightly)


Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 05, 2008, 01:29:27 AM

Hit!

The point is that they fell down on the job pretty badly for a while.

Rastus has the right idea.

UPGRADE to life  member, if you are already a life member upgrade to a higher level and send in donations to the NRA. I have been a life member since I used my combat pay in Vietnam to purchase it in 1965 or 66. But in addition to sending in donations consider an upgrade to your membership.

Everyone who is a member of the NRA has a right to bitch and if you have a membership level that lets you vote a vote on NRA board members. Some of you may be too young to remember that that membership vote has changed the NRA from a target shooting support group into one of the most powerful grass roots and lobbying organizations in the nation in my lifetime.

From my time at the NRA Convention this year I think the NRA is well aware of what is at stake in this election. It is up to us to support us - the NRA - with our talents and our money to make sure the voice of gun owners is heard.

I upgraded my membership a level and sent donations this year. I don't think I am done yet.

I'm not so much bitching as excepting reality, the people who made Buggy whips and Harnesses did not encourage people to improve cars, That does not mean they made bad whips and harness. The first steps in TOTAL elimination of fire arms restrictions, are to  1) find equaly lucritive employment for lobbying groups and lobbyists 2) find equivalent employment for all the ATF agents and other LEO's who derive a significant portion of their income from enforcing gun laws.

I don't have a problem with B ho dispising me for being pro gun, I dispise him for being a blatantly un American socialist, so it evens out. I would be Proud to vote for the first black president, unfortunatly Thomas Sowell is not running  ;D

But getting back to the original post, MB, you would be the perfect person to present  Rons  idea to Mr. Sanetti.
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Rastus on June 05, 2008, 07:31:43 AM
Since it is we gun owners who are the NRA, what have you done to spread the word?

Have you contacted your district rep and volunteered to work the gun shows to sign up members and offer voter registration documents?  Have you donated any hard earned dollars to the cause?  .....
 

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The real "HIT" is in the first line.  A past post complained about the NRA not doing enough and still hasn't acknowledged being a member of any 2nd Ammendment rights organization.  Most gun owners aren't members.  If you lament how a 2nd Ammendment rights organization performs, then join to make them change by having a better way and working to accomplish it...we're all about being more effective....or start a new one.  Rather than pointing a finger and complaining, if there is a better more productive idea join and share it.  Pissing and moaning is just that...pissing and moaning...doing nothing but complaining produces nothing but self-bitterness and ill will.  It may impress friends but more importantly it impresses those who are not friends that base their opinions upon pissing and moaning...ooops there goes another almost could have been a member but was turned away by a sour apple that bitches without contributing gun rights guy...bitterness is a turn off, eh?   I have no doubt that the complaining of hundreds has affected ten's of thousands and has done MY NRA more harm than good.

To my buddy out there, I hear you about the rights we have lost.  We both evidently grew up at around the same time...try to remember what it was like 30-40 years ago and what it a great victory it was for the NRA to change and to preserve what we now have.  You were serving in the Marines so you probably don't have the same perspective of the fight that I have.  The old NRA focus was to be a target shooting organizer type of organization.  Had it not been for the great Cincinatti Revolution membership revolt (remember?) we might not own anything now.  A lot of good has been done but, any organization must plan for the long road and accomplish what it can from within it's membership.  We lament about what we have lost and, for instance, most gun owners still think MG and supressors are illegal and..."Why do you need that for hunting anyway?"  Perhaps more can be done on education, but I have heard the NRA for years saying it's about guns not hunting (though they do help with that as well)....so why hasn't everyone picked up that the 2nd Ammendment is about guns not hunting?

Truth is, if the bulk of a membership (this board is far more educated in gun law and is to the right of most gun owners...no doubt about it..Thank you MB, Outdoor Channel, Jim Scoutten, Tom Gresham, etc.) doesn't support something the NRA, can't go out and say, hey Uncle Sam, either you let us buy, for instance, MG's like any other weapon or we will vote you all out of office...they would lose 1/2 of the members, become a laughing stock in their failure and then what would happen to their power?  Evidently some people think the NRA can rule the nation....instead of realizing they can only guide the nation based upon their membership support.

Moving on...lots of you guys are OK and encourage voting for the lesser of 2 evils, which we will evidently do this year, but then you complain because the NRA was wise enough to not waste political capital on something that can't be won or that would have made them look more foolish to the general public than they are now portrayed because they would stepped outside their membership support?  Stepping outside the membership base to push an issue most people don't know enough to support would play well into the liberals hands as in...see the NRA is run by a bunch of right-wing kooks who are not in touch with America or their members...that would help a lot, eh?  80,000,000 gun owners and it's important enough for...how many....to join to support?  Either gun rights are not so important to them as we here on this board (evidently....that is the reality) or someone has fishhooks in their pockets while striving to be a bitter butt and sit on the sidelines and point fingers. 

You want to know what I get for my membership....everything I need in a political tool kit to know what's going on in my area, my nation, who is behind it, and where to write the letter as a front man that says I am behind the NRA covering it's back with support and a vote.  What I do need most I can't get from my dues---I need more fellow members to join in this fight.  The big bad NRA is nothing without member support.  The NRA supports me just fine and is doing an otherwise great job to advance, yes advance, gun rights in areas and is working simultaneously to hold the line in other areas.  Look around and the local threat....without the coordinated NRA support.....from local policiticians would would have banned most guns by now in many large cities and concealed carry across most of our nation would be a mere fantasy.

Make a difference.  Join.
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: ericire12 on June 05, 2008, 07:42:15 AM


Look at his record — b-HO wants to destroy the Second Amendment...he wants to ban handguns...he wants to ban semiautos of any kind...he wants to end concealed carry through federal law...he wants to tax/regulate ammunition out of existence...he doesn't believe in the right of self-defense...he despises us bitter gun owners and all that we believe in.


Michael B (ranting slightly)





The scary part is that he is charismatic enough, that he just might be able to do it.
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Rastus on June 05, 2008, 07:43:36 AM
As a sidebar to my last post concerning the NRA pushing the "envelope" to support something the general membership may not support and the inherent dangers in that......  Do ya'll remember the comment about the "jack booted thugs" that came out about the ATF in the 90's?  The NRA took a hell of a lick from that from members, public perception (the media slanted it....who would have thunk that?) and the RINO daddy, George H. Bush.  It was aatruthful and accurate statement, but it may not have been the right thing at the time for them to say....but hell, I liked it and I'm proud of it.  

Be productive....join the NRA... or GOA or some other RKBA organization or start your own.  Positive actions speak loudly with accomplishment, negative words drag everyone down in the public's eyes so, be careful in your criticisms (which can be productive in the right venue) so that those who are less informed will not be deterred from organizations that support the RKBA.  
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Ron J on June 05, 2008, 08:38:30 AM
Rastus:
Stepping outside the membership base to push an issue most people don't know enough to support would play well into the liberals hands as in...see the NRA is run by a bunch of right-wing kooks who are not in touch with America or their members...that would help a lot, eh?  80,000,000 gun owners and it's important enough for...how many....to join to support?



Again … and just to try to make my point clear, my intent of this thread was not to bitch about the NRA.  Far from it.  Great organization that leads the fight for the 2nd Amendment.  And I would agree with several posts that we the members need to do more to help pull more people in to join.  A similar example, church outreach.  A church can spend a lot of money to market and attempt to "pull" people to their pews but the most effective way to increase membership and outreach is a personal invitation. Same with gun owners.  Reach out to non-NRA members to join and help the fight. Over the last two years, I was able to get six new people to join and two of the people don’t even own guns.  

As well, I am not saying that the NRA should extend this marketing effort to the non-shooter.  That would miss the target (pun intended) market and be a waste of their working marketing dollar. Go after shooters for their votes this November.  

For instance, like the grocery store “on-pack coupons”, get some rolls of 1.5” x 1.5” on-pack “coupons” printed up that can go on boxes of ammo, gun cleaning supplies, gun cases, guns (!) etc.  These coupons are peel and stick tri-folds that can hold a lot of information spelling out what this election means for their 2nd Amendment rights.  Maybe tie-in with a gun purchase like what S&W does.  Buy a new whatever and get $50 off when you bring in proof you voted.  Buy whatever dollar amount of ammo and get a free silicone gun cloth with proof of voting. Other examples, point of sale displays … you know, the little triangle up-rights that can go on a counter top?  Have these with a quick-look comparison of where the candidates stand on RKBA. Ever go to the grocery store to buy something and you look down at the floor to see an ad for something?  Floor art … “Want Your RKBA Stepped On?’  Have a 3’ x 3’ vinyl mat made outlining what the election means to someone who like to shoot and enjoys responsible gun ownership.  Have the candidate’s records on the 2nd Amendment.  Have facts about responsible gun ownership and self defense. Given that this election can mean a substantial loss in revenue for gun store owners, they should get behind efforts for gun owners to protect their rights and vote.  

The biggest gun fight of all time is headed to us this November.  We will not be pressing a trigger with this fight.  We are pressing a lever to vote!  Yes, it’s too bad we can’t double tap our vote!  My thought with this is utilize the NRA’s scale to initiate incremental marketing to pull people to vote and thus fight for our right to keep and bear arms.  As to the various organizations that Rastus and others have mentioned, maybe it's time for them to pull their resources together.  Fragmented efforts by similar organizations is not efficient nor effective.  Time to hook up and fight together. 
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: ericire12 on June 05, 2008, 10:09:21 AM
Ron-

You make great points, but I think with the approach you are suggesting they would simply be preaching to the choir. Yes, it is important to get out the vote come election time and also to increase the membership numbers, but I think the cause would be better served focusing efforts on the non-gun owners. Number of members and number of voters is only important when you are talking directly to politicians.

We have to change the culture if we are going to win this war. The misconceptions are in overload because of the propaganda that has been spoon fed to the masses via the media. I think you have to launch a series of commonsense TV and print ad campaigns that would convince the American people that guns are not evil, and that the way to combat violent crime is to go after the criminals and not the guns. We all know the statistics because we are shooters and because this is all near and dear to our hearts. The average American knows nothing about this issue other then the misconceptions that the media tells them.

When that is the only voice they hear, we should not be surprised by what they believe. 
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Ron J on June 05, 2008, 10:43:39 AM
Ericire12:  "... the approach you are suggesting they would simply be preaching to the choir."

Not exactly.  For instance, the Democratic Party has a huge base of "silent" gun owners.  These people are part of the votes we need to capture.  To this, only about 57% of gun owners polled say they would not vote for Obama.  Subtract margin for error and there's a lot of votes to be had.  Point is to launch a marketing campaign that mobilizes the choir to insure that Obama is defeated. 

As we know, there are several issues from fiscal sanity to national security that have people troubled over B. Hussein Obama.  Hitting the 2nd Amendment could well be the critical competitive edge needed to defeat him in November. 
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: MikeBjerum on June 05, 2008, 11:18:14 AM
We have just now reached the point that we know who the two main players are, and we are still waiting to who will run with them.  I believe that the NRA will be right there when they know who the players are so they know what issues to campaign with.

It has been said by many that we are the NRA, and we are responsible for the word getting out.  How many here help distribute the information to clubs and ranges, how many make sure their local gun shop posts the information, how many are recruiters and promote the NRA (you would be amazed how few dealers and ranges are members), and how many here actively work on NRA events to raise awareness?

When I ask or search on my own I always find that the NRA has plenty of materials available for the asking.  Isn't it better for me to get the information and distribute it to where it will do the best rather than the NRA sending it blindly where it will usually get trash canned (even by those that could and should use it) because it is just viewed as junk mail?
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Ron J on June 05, 2008, 11:27:02 AM
m58:
Isn't it better for me to get the information and distribute it to where it will do the best rather than the NRA sending it blindly where it will usually get trash canned (even by those that could and should use it) because it is just viewed as junk mail?

Absolutely right.  That would be a bad approach to take and not one that I would advocate.  For retail placement, would need to organize direct calls to the decision makers at retail to implement.  This would likely require volunteers to do which I don't think would be a problem. 
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 06, 2008, 01:34:25 AM
Ron, the only part I disagree with is going through the NRA, NOT because I have any major beef, but because they will only be able to do what YOU can do, Find some one with contacts in the industry (MB for example) who is talking to the appropriate people anyway and pass the idea along.
Regardless of how much I dislike McCain, the more B ho talks the easier it gets for me to hold my nose and fill in the circle beside McCains name (paper Ballots here )
Title: Re: NRA ... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Post by: Ron J on June 06, 2008, 07:50:54 AM
Ron, the only part I disagree with is going through the NRA, NOT because I have any major beef, but because they will only be able to do what YOU can do, Find some one with contacts in the industry (MB for example) who is talking to the appropriate people anyway and pass the idea along.
Regardless of how much I dislike McCain, the more B ho talks the easier it gets for me to hold my nose and fill in the circle beside McCains name (paper Ballots here )

You bring up a good point.  I mentioned the NRA because they have the expertise and in-house capability to do such "incremental" advertising and to do it quickly.  Given their sizable industry connections, they would also be able to secure effective distribution of materials.  Lastly, such an effort could be well used as a tool for them to attract new members. 

To your point, it would be IDEAL if five or six manufacturers partnered together (possibly with the NRA and/or GOA) and put something spectacular out.  And ... in case any of the manufacturers are reading this ... I have 20 years of sales and marketing expertise and am willing to work for this cause!!!