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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on January 24, 2014, 09:51:12 PM
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I was reading this in the newspaper, and I saw it above in the Child Board. However, for fullest release of information I will expand it here.
I went to www.smith-wesson.com and found the following release. At the end of the release is the link to the full release with more information.
As I read this, California has just managed a full ban on the sale of new pistols in California. I predict that next they will act to register existing non-compliant, and from New York we all know what will come next >:(
Take your blood pressure medicine and read!
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/MSMicroSFinal.pdf (http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/MSMicroSFinal.pdf)
California is Forcing Smith & Wesson Corp. to Drop Most M&P Pistols.
Smith & Wesson® greatly values our loyal customers in California. Thus, it is with great regret that we announce that we are being forced by the State of California to drop certain handguns from the California market.
Every handgun available for sale in California has to be tested and approved by California to be put on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale (the “Approved Roster”). That approval must be renewed every year. California has recently imposed a requirement that no new semi-automatic pistol will be approved unless it contains the so-called microstamping “technology,” a prohibitively expensive process which, according to many studies, is unproven, ineffective, and unreliable. In addition, California is also asserting that if there is virtually ANY non-cosmetic change to a semi-automatic pistol, then that existing product will be considered a “new” firearm and subject to the microstamping requirement. It should be noted that we, like all reputable firearm manufacturers, continually improve and enhance our products for the benefit of our customers. Thus, in situations where a pistol already on the Approved Roster has been improved or enhanced, we are being forced to let the pistol fall off of the Approved Roster, and it will not be eligible to return to the Approved Roster until it incorporates microstamping.
This is the situation that is occurring with the M&P® pistols by Smith & Wesson (excluding the M&P Shield). Thus, as various M&P pistols come up for renewal, they will not be approved and will fall off the Approved Roster. We would point out that two of our models, the M&P Shield and the SDVE™ (both in 9mm and .40 calibers), were recently approved just prior to the microstamping requirements, so we can continue to supply the California market with those models. Additionally, as long as California takes the position that virtually any change subjects them to microstamping, we plan to keep those models unchanged. We will also continue to supply the California market with revolvers, bolt action rifles, and modern sporting rifles, because microstamping does not apply to those products.
Read the full Smith & Wesson Corp. release here: http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/MSMicroSFinal.pdf
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I've been seeing people post about "Smith & Wesson are no longer selling guns in California due to microstamping laws." They've been posting it like s&w was doing because they wanted to and praising them. According to your article, they are only doing it because they have to and then only certain guns. Much less praise worthy and much more booing all around.
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It's also quite possible that a third party, one of their distributors, might modify the pistols and get them approved so they comply and can sell them (at a increased cost) to the CA market.
I know the law doesn't apply to revolvers, but I wouldn't take my revolver there just the same. I've suggested to ICORE they cease having the IRC in CA.
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If you read the full information you will find that there are only two models that today can be sold in California under the law, the SVDE and the M&P Shield. Everything else is out of compliance. Within twelve months these two models will need to renew their Roster status and will fail as well.
If all you read are the snipit pieces in newspapers you are left thinking that it is only S&W's newest model that is affected, and that the rest of their handgun lineup is ok. That is false!
This is the case with all pistol manufacturers! Nobody has this technology in place and ready to go, much less proven either effective or reliable from both the stamping and firearm function point of view.
What is telling is that off all the handgun makers in the world, Sturm Ruger filed the law suit, and Smith and Wesson is the only other at this point to join.
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I want the ENTIRE INDUSTRY to write off Kalifornia.
No ammo, no primers/bullets/cases/powder, no parts, no service to any 'exempts' either. (LEO)
Need a screw for a grip panel? Go to the hardware store. Gov. Moonbat needs security? Buy a dog.
You elect these bozos - you live with the consequences.
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um the way the law is written, unless the guy that holds the patten on micro stamping makes it public, the law does not apply. some thing is fishy here.
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I want the ENTIRE INDUSTRY to write off Kalifornia.
No ammo, no primers/bullets/cases/powder, no parts, no service to any 'exempts' either. (LEO)
Need a screw for a grip panel? Go to the hardware store. Gov. Moonbat needs security? Buy a dog.
You elect these bozos - you live with the consequences.
Yeah, this!
Anyone with a CA address gets NOTHING in the way of gun goodies.
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Hi;
I am for the ban on sales to Gov't entities in kalifornia, But we must remember that there are a lot of good Law Abiding Citizens who have guns in Kalifornia. How many SASS people are there? Not all parts of Kalifornia are nuts and loons.
if there was a way to pck and choose who you sell to - may be the way...
Ronny Barrett - is his ban on Kalifornia still in effect ?
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TAB,
Do you ever look into things before you speak type?
The reason this came out is because the Courts threw out the patten restriction, and opened the doors for enforcement of the legislation.
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If you read the full information you will find that there are only two models that today can be sold in California under the law, the SVDE and the M&P Shield. Everything else is out of compliance. Within twelve months these two models will need to renew their Roster status and will fail as well.
If all you read are the snipit pieces in newspapers you are left thinking that it is only S&W's newest model that is affected, and that the rest of their handgun lineup is ok. That is false!
This is the case with all pistol manufacturers! Nobody has this technology in place and ready to go, much less proven either effective or reliable from both the stamping and firearm function point of view.
What is telling is that off all the handgun makers in the world, Sturm Ruger filed the law suit, and Smith and Wesson is the only other at this point to join.
I don't know if it has any bearing on the situation, but S&W and Ruger are the only 2 publicly traded gun companies.
They have also been 2 of the best performing stocks for the last several years.
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Research from the University of California Davis:
From the Executive Summary (red emphasis mine):
Policy Implications and Recommendations for further research the findings of this study will have a direct impact on any legislation involving micro-serialized firing pins including the recently enacted revisions to California Penal Code section 12126 application which proposed the application of second-generation micro-serialized firing pins manufactured by ID Dynamics to all semiautomatic handguns sold in the state of California. As shown, while the technology works with some firearms, it
does not perform equally well for every encoding structure or for every semiautomatic handgun tested. As only a limited number of firing pins, encoding sequences, and firearms were tested in this study, it is not known how this emerging technology would perform across the board in relation to the over 2000 different makes and models of semiautomatic handguns sold in California each year.
At the present time, therefore, because its forensic potential has yet to be fully assessed, a mandate for the implementation of this technology in all new semiautomatic handguns sold in the state of California is counter-indicated. We specifically propose further research on alpha-numeric 12 serial numbers on firearms mostly in gang related shootings, suitability of such alpha-numeric imprint on fired cartridge case areas other than the soft primer area, realistic and accurate production cost estimates for such micro-engraving and a evaluation as to what percent of gang related shooting could realistically besolved by such technology given current gang firearms usage.
Complete paper:
http://forensicscience.ucdavis.edu/pdf/microserial.pdf (http://forensicscience.ucdavis.edu/pdf/microserial.pdf)
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This is exactly what the anti's had in mind when they made the law. Make no mistake that this law is doing what it was intended to do, make it even harder for citizens to buy guns.
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Hi;
I am for the ban on sales to Gov't entities in kalifornia, But we must remember that there are a lot of good Law Abiding Citizens who have guns in Kalifornia. How many SASS people are there? Not all parts of Kalifornia are nuts and loons.
if there was a way to pck and choose who you sell to - may be the way...
Ronny Barrett - is his ban on Kalifornia still in effect ?
Not all parts, just the South, the North and some parts in between.
I know there are a LOT of good gun owners in CA. I shoot with some when they come to my state.
It sucks for them now and it will only get worse.
The only way to get the libtards to see the farce their politicians have bestowed upon them is to rip that bandaid off and let those that are exempt from the laws feel the same pain as the serfs.
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Hello,
Brushmore has it right. The law is doing exactly what it was intended to do.
The whole concept of Microstamping is ludicrous. The idea that stamping a unique identifier on the fired case will aid in criminal investigations is silly. To begin with, the technology is easily defeated by altering parts with simple tools like a nail file or sandpaper, or simply replacing them with the ready surplus of non-modified parts. Heck, even a fistful of random cases scattered at a crime scene is enough to queer the process. Let's not even talk about the vast number of guns without the technology floating around out there--enough to keep criminals afloat for dozens of generations before they even need to start thinking about using a microstamped gun.
Of course, all of this assumes that there is value in finding out who the serial number is linked to. As we all know, guns used in crime are usually obtained through theft or the black market, so there is no reason to believe that the person on file is the one who committed the crime with the gun. Probably 99% of the instances where guns are traced using Microstamping will yield nothing but the name of the person who previously had his gun stolen.
This law was never seriously intended as a crime-fighting solution. It was marketed that way to the sheeple, but that was never its intent. The law was simply designed to make these guns more expensive and difficult to obtain, so that the state could reduce the number of guns sold in California. Having companies like Ruger and Smith & Wesson (with many others to follow suit in the coming months) withdraw from the market was not an unintended consequence, but rather the prime objective.
The CA Attorney General is on shaky ground with her proclamation that the microstamping technology is "unencumbered" and therefore available to all vendors in the market to use. It's not, of course, but a minor detail like that won't stop her from issuing an unlawful order. She follows the White House Method, in which an unlawful or unconstitutional edict is issued, then when it is questioned, the Executive says, "So what, what are you going to do about it?" They can do that with confidence, knowing that they will get away with it almost every time.
Incidentally, the AG is no friend of law enforcement, having argued against capital punishment in the case of a convicted cop killer, and having been a constant obstacle to policing in the city she came from. If Smith & Wesson or Ruger or anybody else had the cajones to cut off CA law enforcement from sales and support (as they should), the AG would probably be pleased as punch. I figure she would rather have LE disarmed anyhow.
V/R
Mike
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[veering slightly with the topic]
I posted on ICORE forum a question about whether ICORE would pull IRC from California. Someone posted back that micro-stamping doesn't affect revolvers. And the ICORE rep "liked" that response. Okay I asked, where is the line in the sand?
Two thoughts about this. One, by keeping some competitions in CA we're "holding our ground" and trying not to punish shooters in that state. The other side, is when is enough, enough? When does a competition say, sorry, but your state is no longer an acceptable place to hold competitions? What did Pastor Niemöller say?
Personally, I don't have the time or money to travel to the other coast for one competition. I wish it were more centrally located, or moved around. I also have no desire to transport any firearm into CA. I don't trust them. I don't take any comfort in that revolvers aren't affect... yet.
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Davis is the most lib err al college in ca other then berekly. Really sad as its a ag school in the very red yolo counts
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But even as liberal as they are at UC Davis, they saw through the smoke and mirrors and called BS on the legislation. Proves that even the blind dog catches the occasional rabbit.
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