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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on June 12, 2008, 01:04:18 PM
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According to Barack Obama, high gas prices don’t really constitute a problem for Americans. He stated yesterday that the reason for our anger is the rapid increase in prices, not the prices themselves.
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gehaf7_TBAs
Exit Question: Change you can believe in?
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Real rockett surgeon, that guy is! ::)
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Whats so sad is that most Dem politicians are happy that prices are going up....... apparently, "It will decrease demand" and as far as they are concerned that is good for America and of course good for the environment........ STUPID PAGANS!
I personally think that they are so damn happy about it because it is yet one more thing that brings them closer to the American people being utterly dependent (pun intended) on the government to take care of them..... I can see it now, in 2012 the Dem presidential campaign will be based on "Universal Gasoline".
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he is right about one thing, we rely too much on oil. god knows higher fuel prices don't help anyone, makes the cost of every thing go up... its called inflation, and its normally not a good thing.
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he is right about one thing, we rely too much on oil. god knows higher fuel prices don't help anyone, makes the cost of every thing go up... its called inflation, and its normally not a good thing.
We COULD have bullet trains and public transport but the tree huggers won't let us build Nuke plants that would power them without oil OR smog.
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Nuclar plants are not a way to go... They actually do more damage in the long run. Also fuel rods are no longer cost effective when 5% of them is used up.
There is no one solution... we need many, not just as a country, but as a world.
most of the smog in southern CA( which is famous for it) its coming from china.
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Nuclar plants are not a way to go... They actually do more damage in the long run. Also fuel rods are no longer cost effective when 5% of them is used up.
There is no one solution... we need many, not just as a country, but as a world.
most of the smog in southern CA( which is famous for it) its coming from china.
I know ! lets all just roll over and play dead. (http://www.mazeguy.net/angry/thumbsdown.gif)
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Obama has many ideas for us and his global proverty tax will sink us. >:( ??? Used car salesman at best
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most of the smog in southern CA( which is famous for it) its coming from china.
Huh ???
Back in the 70's when I spent (did) some time in southern Cal, I was taught in school that the smog issue in the LA Basin was due to the inversion layer that kept it from climbing over the mountains. At that time China was not the industrial nation, pumping out pollution the way it is today. I also have a hard time believing that you could get the pollutants to hang within 5,000 feet (this is the altitude at which it would be clear of some of the lower passes of the range) of the ocean's surface as it came all the way across the Pacific.
Back on task:
I still say the the Democrats are mostly pleased with the fuel prices being high. It has long been their hope to price fuel high enough that we would be forced to conserve based on budget issues alone. They only thing that has them pissed is that they weren't able to do it by taxing us into submission.
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Nuclar plants are not a way to go... They actually do more damage in the long run. Also fuel rods are no longer cost effective when 5% of them is used up.
Which is why they are sent for reprocessing to remove the spent fuel and recreate new buttons for inclusion in zircaloy rods. Of the many solutions...I'd like to see an investigation on why solar cells are so expensive...and batteries for that matter. Simple technology...premium price.
Sorry, but I don't think that smog is going away any time soon. Until fusion reactors are created and in place, everything else is pretty much a stop-gap. Wind, hydro, thermal (really damaging potential) do not and probably will never exist in signficant quantities...solar would be great but it is expensive and around 12-15% effective (need a full spectrum cell) while living it's short life (10-15 years) before a very expensive replacement. Cost to take my 2,500 sq ft home off the grid....$185k...not going to happen.
A big help would be room temperature superconductors. If room temp superconductors existed then we would have an excess of about
35+% generating capacity in this nation....that's right, 'bout 35% of your electric bill is for power generated and lost in the lines due to heat.
This is where I think government is good; funding huge, ponderous research efforts that have the potential for mass benefit but which have exceedingly long lead times for a result that is not guaranteed. That supercollider in Texas that was scrapped in the 90's may have made a difference in understanding the physical that could have led to room temp s-c's (and other things) in our near future. Now we fund the European Supercollider...I've a cousin working there from DOE...dang shame we didn't follow through with ours. Sure wish the nation would step up and have a crash program like the space race on superconductors...the biggest bang for the buck that no one knows or talks about....just us geek engineers.
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M58, Blaming their problems on other is a Ca. INDUSTRY, even if the problem was there, WITH a sceintific explanation, including possible cures, 30 years before the ALLEGED cause.
Back in the 70's, well before China got their industrial rush going, they were talking about boring tunnels through a mountain to "Vent" the smog. Guess the money went to paying benifits to illegal aleins instead. (http://www.mazeguy.net/angry/stirthepot.gif)
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M58, Blaming their problems on other is a Ca. INDUSTRY, even if the problem was there, WITH a sceintific explanation, including possible cures, 30 years before the ALLEGED cause.
Back in the 70's, well before China got their industrial rush going, they were talking about boring tunnels through a mountain to "Vent" the smog. Guess the money went to paying benifits to illegal aleins instead. (http://www.mazeguy.net/angry/stirthepot.gif)
Such a caring, concerned and compassionate people to contemplate pushing their airborne sewage upon their neighbors....tell me it's not true! Oh wait, I remember that too....you old coot you. You have made me feel old tonight. :-X
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Such a caring, concerned and compassionate people to contemplate pushing their airborne sewage upon their neighbors....tell me it's not true! Oh wait, I remember that too....you old coot you. You have made me feel old tonight. :-X
Sorry, I'm only a LATE boomer ;D
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batterys cost alot for one reason... the materials to build them cost alot. That and battery tech has not really changed in a 100 years.
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M58, Blaming their problems on other is a Ca. INDUSTRY, even if the problem was there, WITH a sceintific explanation, including possible cures, 30 years before the ALLEGED cause.
Back in the 70's, well before China got their industrial rush going, they were talking about boring tunnels through a mountain to "Vent" the smog. Guess the money went to paying benifits to illegal aleins instead. (http://www.mazeguy.net/angry/stirthepot.gif)
Yep ... The Beverly Hillbillies episode where someone tried to con Jed into funding the tunnels to vent the smog would be a lot funnier if it hadn't been for living there when the State realized that was their best way to clear the air. The science is there that the only way to eliminate smog in the basin is to move EVERYONE out. There is no way any one can live in that area without creating a smog problem. But, I'm sure someone will get elected claiming they have the magic answer!
I'm surprised that no one out there has found a way to pump the smog back through the pipe lines they use to drain the Colorado River for their use.
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batterys cost alot for one reason... the materials to build them cost alot. That and battery tech has not really changed in a 100 years.
I heard somewhere (Gun Talk I THINK ) that part of the reason ammo prices went up so much was that Europe was buying lead for batteries for electric cars etc. But Trolleys and Electric trains don't need batteries, they can use power from a central source, like the old Cable cars.
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i don't know why lead prices have gone nuts( now copper I understand, but not lead), I just know its actually cheaper for me to buy 12 ga target loads, open them up and take just the lead then it is for me to buy the lead to reload my 16 ga. ( I recycle the powder as well)
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Rant on. ::)
The US Peso dollar is likely driving prices on commodities more than demand. Same thing as my oil price rant (subtract market speculation and currency exhange rates and the price would be $50-$60/bbls). Afte WWII the US benefited, by being on top, by having the world use our currency as the international unit of exchage. Oil, rubber, copper....commodities in general were all traded in $'s. That meant that a country had to turn their currency into a dollar to buy a commodity (or most finished products). Also, when a country received a dollar for a sale, they either used it to purchase something from abroad or exchanged it back into their currency.
Now...since they've been printing so much money (for a large part pumping up the economy with credit) the last few years and have lowered interest rates (except the *^()^&@ credit cards) the dollar has lost ground against other currencies. The dollar's loss includes a lower and lower percentage of use in the world market.
So now, for instance, a euro is worth 70% more now than it was in 2000-2003. So, if I'm selling, say, lead on the world market for every $1 I used to get I now need (Euro could be bought for 92 cents, now it takes $1.56) I now need $1.70 to buy the same amount of goods and service I used to buy from other currencies just due to exchange rate.
Not that supply and demand aren't playing a big part....its just that it gripes me that oil should be no more than $60 and we're paying over $135 to people who don't work for it (speculate) and because the $ is in such bad shape. The politicians just aren't talking about the real causes....are they?
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With China and Cuba setting up oil platforms off Florida, McCain doesn't want to disturb the wildlife in ANWAR, 30 years since a new refinery, Kennedy Clan opposes a wind farm off his MA estate, can't get a nuclear plant built anywhere.
Large shale oil deposits in the upper midwest can't access. What the hell are complaining about? This has had a llllooooooonnnnngggg
buildup to where we are today.
Furthermore, just a couple years ago large SUV's and a pretty woman driving her H2 which will never even see a gravel road, was the latest thing. (with matching handbag).
Why are we shocked? We have resources here we can't get. That's great..... Barack has an "energy plan?" Oh that will help I'm sure. :P
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With China and Cuba setting up oil platforms off Florida, McCain doesn't want to disturb the wildlife in ANWAR, 30 years since a new refinery, Kennedy Clan opposes a wind farm off his MA estate, can't get a nuclear plant built anywhere.
Large shale oil deposits in the upper midwest can't access. What the hell are complaining about? This has had a llllooooooonnnnngggg
buildup to where we are today.
Furthermore, just a couple years ago large SUV's and a pretty woman driving her H2 which will never even see a gravel road, was the latest thing. (with matching handbag).
Why are we shocked? We have resources here we can't get. That's great..... Barack has an "energy plan?" Oh that will help I'm sure. :P
And proposed oil and gas exploration in ANWR would only affect 2,000 of its 19 million acres, or 0.01 percent.