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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on March 21, 2014, 09:18:05 AM

Title: Government Regulation
Post by: MikeBjerum on March 21, 2014, 09:18:05 AM
I throw these things out there every once in a while with mixed results in debate.  Remember, we all need to take off the blinders of "it is for the children" and "it is reasonable" as we contemplate these thoughts:

What right does our government, federal or state, have to require registration of every firearm made or imported into the United States?

What right does our government, federal or state, have to require that records be kept of every firearm transaction involving a licensed dealer?

For that matter, what right does our government have to require the massive number of regulations and fees involved to be a Federal Firearms License holder?

With the current administration pushing, and many recent past administrations having had this happen behind their backs, for Agencies to intimidate law abiding businesses and citizens, I ask when we crossed the lines of infringement on many fronts.
Title: Re: Government Regulation
Post by: tt11758 on March 21, 2014, 09:27:39 AM
I throw these things out there every once in a while with mixed results in debate.  Remember, we all need to take off the blinders of "it is for the children" and "it is reasonable" as we contemplate these thoughts:

What right does our government, federal or state, have to require registration of every firearm made or imported into the United States?

What right does our government, federal or state, have to require that records be kept of every firearm transaction involving a licensed dealer?

For that matter, what right does our government have to require the massive number of regulations and fees involved to be a Federal Firearms License holder?

With the current administration pushing, and many recent past administrations having had this happen behind their backs, for Agencies to intimidate law abiding businesses and citizens, I ask when we crossed the lines of infringement on many fronts.

As far as "what right does our government have.......?", according to the Founding Fathers of this formerly-great nation, the government  has only those rights which "we the people" consent for them to have. 

But then, since "we the people" allow the .gov to piss all over the Constitution on a daily basis, why should they respect or fear "we the people"?
Title: Re: Government Regulation
Post by: MikeBjerum on March 21, 2014, 10:17:06 AM
... why should they respect or fear "we the people"?

Ka Chick!
Sound it out a few times quickly  ;)
Title: Re: Government Regulation
Post by: Magoo541 on March 21, 2014, 02:22:36 PM
It's amazing that prior to 1968 FFL didn't even exist.  You could buy guns and have them delivered through the US Mail!  LHO bought his that way and they were true to form and didn't let a crisis go to waste.  The gall of the gun grabbers to use the death of a president to further their political agenda. >:(

Never mind Jackie O's careful construction of the Camelot myth that everyone still believes as the God's honest truth... >:( >:(
Title: Re: Government Regulation
Post by: Solus on March 21, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
I have heard, and it makes sense, but have not looked for any confirmation that many established firearms vendors supported the GCA '68 because it would eliminate mail order competition.

Title: Re: Government Regulation
Post by: Magoo541 on March 21, 2014, 05:38:23 PM
I have heard, and it makes sense, but have not looked for any confirmation that many established firearms vendors supported the GCA '68 because it would eliminate mail order competition.

Much like may Class III collectors supported the ban on new firearms in '86.  Self-interest that allows the rights of others to be overridden is one of the most heinous sins in my mind.
Title: Re: Government Regulation
Post by: MikeBjerum on March 21, 2014, 08:05:58 PM
I have heard, and it makes sense, but have not looked for any confirmation that many established firearms vendors supported the GCA '68 because it would eliminate mail order competition.

These are some of the ideas where the National Rifle Association, our own Fudds, hunting organizations, and competition folk have sold us down the river.  The anti's claim that the NRA never compromises, but I will point to many of these laws and show you where we have given away the store.