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Title: HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
Post by: CurrieS103 on June 24, 2008, 09:05:05 AM: This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.
I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.

How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'

'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage'

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Democrats: 19
Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by:
Democrats: 580,000
Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by:
Democrats: 127 million
Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Democrats: 13.2
Republicans: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republicans won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE
Title: Re: HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
Post by: gunman1911 on June 24, 2008, 09:48:28 AM: I relly don't think that its going to be that long, but that is not the unfortunate part, its whats after.
Title: Re: HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
Post by: rojawe on June 24, 2008, 04:45:40 PM: Sorry to say the Republic for which it stands one Nation under God is being attacted everyday by the people that hate our way of life. >:( ???
Title: Re: HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
Post by: pioneer on June 24, 2008, 06:02:25 PM: I checked that with SNOPES.com, as I am wont to do with many such things. They say the Alexander Tyler information is "very likely ficticious." Go to their web site to see how they reached that conclusion. Sorry. :(

Here's their page; http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

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Title: Re: HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
Post by: 2HOW on June 24, 2008, 06:05:34 PM: They say all things come in a cycle, we must be close to the bottom.
Title: Re: HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
Post by: tumblebug on June 24, 2008, 06:11:27 PM: -1
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Post by: brosometal on June 24, 2008, 10:55:24 PM: Quote from: pioneer on June 24, 2008, 06:02:25 PM
I checked that with SNOPES.com, as I am wont to do with many such things. They say the Alexander Tyler information is "very likely ficticious." Go to their web site to see how they reached that conclusion. Sorry. :(

Here's their page; http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

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While snopes.com deals with an even hand it is usually the left hand dealing. While the numbers were not as extreme as the piece stated there still was a marked differece and the axiom still holds. Snopes dismisses this by saying if you average the two numbers together you get close to the national average. Hmmmm.(placing my thinking cap on) I'm no math whiz but if you take two divisions of the nation (red counties and blue counties) and average them together you get close to the national average. Nice circular logic on that one. A more honest way of putting the numbers in the snopes.com answer: You are a third more likely to be murdered in Blue county than a red one. Not as easily dismissed now. Just keep in mind, a-holes don't have a party, a color, etc. They are everywhere.