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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: RTFM on June 26, 2008, 07:01:52 PM
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With all the great news today with Helller, and all the reading I did today on the error net, I read and now can't find a good analogy of supposing the 2ns amendment with the first...
Some thing about allowing books to those that already poses an education but denying them for the general public, and keeping a well read (something or other…)
HELP I can’t find it or where I read it, anyone know where I can get it?
(I auto clear my history each time my browser closes, I already looked…)
Thanks all.
RTFM
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Need just a bit more to go on to clarify your request. Try to be as specific as possible or try Google.
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How about during the questioning of the Heller v. DC attorneys by the Justices when the arguments were made?
Mac.
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"Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars."
Short and sweet but not with books. Lemee try again.
""A well-educated electorate being necessary to the preservation of a free society, the right of the people to read and compose books shall not be infringed."
This means:
A. Only well-educated voters have the right to read books.
B. The right to read books can be restricted to only those books necessary to educate an electorate
C. A limited number of books can be written so long as the author is in the State of their domicile, subject to a three day waiting periods, registration, and a one book per month reading limit.
D. People should be unimpeded in reading and composing books, so as to promote education."
Is that it? I found it here:
http://www.youdebate.com/cgi-bin/scarecrow/topic.cgi?forum=9&topic=2505 (http://www.youdebate.com/cgi-bin/scarecrow/topic.cgi?forum=9&topic=2505)
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brosometal close ... thanks for the replies though.
I have some time todday to look again, if I find it I'll post it here.
Thank you
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With all the great news today with Helller, and all the reading I did today on the error net, I read and now can't find a good analogy of supposing the 2ns amendment with the first...
Some thing about allowing books to those that already poses an education but denying them for the general public, and keeping a well read (something or other
)
HELP I cant find it or where I read it, anyone know where I can get it?
(I auto clear my history each time my browser closes, I already looked
)
Thanks all.
RTFM
I heard something like that on Tom Greshams Guntalk www.guntalk.tv it was on a podcast during the Time leading up to the orel arguments. but it was also posted on a thread here or also try back issues of the Shooting wire, they can be accessed from here by clicking the "Articles button at the top of the screen then going to the articles by Jim Shepard, Hope that helps.
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FOUND IT!!!!
brosometal closer than I thought, but I wanted (needed) the second part also.
From Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation.
For some reason, many people get confused with the grammar and structure of the Second Amendment's wording. They have said that the first part ("A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state . . ." restricts the second part, so that only the militia has the "right to keep and bear arms."
Try this one. "A well-educated people, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed." Now, ask them if this means that only well-educated people could keep and read books, or does it mean that everyone can have books as a means to produce a well-educated people.
Link to full article:
http://www.guntalk.com/site.php?pageID=15&newsID=41
Thanks for your assistance everyone.
RTFM
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I have often heard it as "A well educated electorate....."
Then the question is "can only people qualified to vote keep and read books?"
I like this version better because the first (supporting) clause has a defined meaning as a subset of the 'people' the same as 'militia' does.
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I like the wording you found as well. I will be placing this in my verbal ammo box for some of the Berkley-East types in my neighborhood. Thanks again for the clarification post :)