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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Mojave Desert on June 29, 2008, 07:48:45 PM
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the French. And for good reason:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/francemilitaryaccident;_ylt=Anzuw3UHHfp7xrzni0yJkmEDW7oF
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I'd make a joke but this is too tragic.
How the heck does anyone familiar with firearms load live rounds and think they're blank? Why, even with blanks were people downrange (as in any possible bullet path)?
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(http://www.funnfrolic.co.uk/party-store/images/smi/21305.jpg)
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I'd make a joke but this is too tragic.
How the heck does anyone familiar with firearms load live rounds and think they're blank? Why, even with blanks were people downrange (as in any possible bullet path)?
+1 Haz, Decorum prohibits me from saying something rude, in light of a clear tradgedy.
But, I can quote Archie Bunker, "aw jeez, Edith, its the French for cryin' out loud,...." ::)
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No wonder they couldn't win a war...when you use your own citizens for target practice public support drops rapidly. Then again since it was the french military...that says it all.
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That is absolutely disgusting and I would expect this from the French, I don't believe that this was a mistake.
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These are the same geniuses who used REAL bombs in an airline security test , then lost track of several of them.???
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I think those Frenchies need a refresher course on Rule #1
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My guess is that the soldiers who where doing the shooting did not load their own magazines.
More likely that someone in the armory loaded a bunch of them to be handed out....and, probably deliberately, put the live magazine in the box.
The Sargent still should have checked, epically when he knew he was going to be firing into a crowd...and whoever set up the demo calling for firing into the crowd should be tried on more than negligence.
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Anybets on rather or not this was the 1st time a french weapon was actually fired? We know they are droped alot.
Now with that said, Atleast 2 people fooked up big time here.
supply for having live ammo where thier should have been blanks, and the person(s) that loaded and fired said live ammo.
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Fer sure, TAB. I know when we had war games or what ever I NEVER took a mag from some one and just used it. I loaded my own so I KNEW.
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The same way this can happen http://www.lapolicegear.com/frfiheoutini.html and this http://www.lapolicegear.com/frmitefianmi.html
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The same way this can happen http://www.lapolicegear.com/frfiheoutini.html and this http://www.lapolicegear.com/frmitefianmi.html
Thanks 2HOW, I spilled my Pouille Fuisse wine all over my escargot. That was hysterically funny.
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The same way this can happen http://www.lapolicegear.com/frfiheoutini.html and this http://www.lapolicegear.com/frmitefianmi.html
Fearing retaliation for their decisive landing in Iraq and their formidable display of weapons technology (see videos above) the French have raised their Threat Level from Run to Hide.
There are only two levels above Hide: Surrender and Collaborate.
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Fer sure, TAB. I know when we had war games or what ever I NEVER took a mag from some one and just used it. I loaded my own so I KNEW.
We even had "Blank firing attachments that partly blocked the barrel, the purpose was to generate enough pressure to cycle the weapon, however would also serve to prevent such incedents as people tend to quit shooting when their barrel bursts.
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We even had "Blank firing attachments that partly blocked the barrel, the purpose was to generate enough pressure to cycle the weapon, however would also serve to prevent such incedents as people tend to quit shooting when their barrel bursts.
we are talking about the french here... They would most likly think thats whats supose to happen. ;D
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we are talking about the french here... They would most likly think thats whats supose to happen. ;D
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The only thing they have for blanks ae thier minds!
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French army chief quit. The soldier (according to this story it was just one) who fired the live ammo is being charged.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374466,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374466,00.html)
French Army Chief Quits After 16 Spectators Shot at Military Show
Tuesday, July 01, 2008
PARIS — France's army chief resigned Tuesday following a weekend military show in which 16 people were shot and wounded when real bullets were used instead of blanks.
President Nicolas Sarkozy accepted Gen. Bruno Cuche's resignation, Sarkozy's office said Tuesday, and the country's defense minister suspended the use of blank munitions at public military shows.
Meanwhile, the soldier who fired the bullets was handed preliminary charges for involuntary injury. The 28-year-old was taken into custody soon after Sunday's display of hostage-freeing techniques at the Laperrine military barracks in southern France, in which 16 people were hit with real bullets.
Most of those injured were civilians, and three were children. Officials at a hospital in Toulouse, where five of the victims are being treated, said Tuesday their condition was "stable." A day earlier, hospital officials had said that none of the injuries appeared life-threatening.
Officials had earlier said 17 people were injured, but Montpellier Prosecutor Brice Robin on Tuesday put the total at 16.
In a statement Tuesday, Cuche said his decision to resign was a direct response to Sunday's incident.
"As the military chief, I must fully accept my responsibilities," the statement said.
Speaking on France-Info radio, Defense Minister Herve Morin praised Cuche, the general who resigned, as "a man with a conscience" who had made the decision to resign himself and had not been forced out.
"He felt that the ... tragedy, beyond the incident linked to personal mistakes, revealed organizational defaults, malfunctionings," Morin later told reporters at a news conference Tuesday. He added that the general had brought up the possibility of resigning on Sunday, only hours after the incident.
The military blamed the shooting at a parachute regiment's open day on "serious failings."
Montpellier Prosecutor Robin said the shooting appeared to be unintentional.
"According to (the soldier's) early statements, it appears that he made a mistake while loading his gun," Robin said. "This act was absolutely not premeditated; I want to be clear about this point."
The soldier said he "forgot" to hand in unused bullets, as rules stipulate, Robin said. He then "made a mistake" and loaded his weapon with those munitions, Robin said.
The soldier, a sergeant, was freed pending the investigation.
Under French law, preliminary charges mean investigating judges have strong reason to suspect involvement in a crime. Judges decide later if there is enough evidence for a trial.
Without waiting for the results of the judicial and military investigations, Morin ordered the army chief of staff to prepare punishments for those responsible, the ministry said in a statement. It did not elaborate on what the sanctions would be.
Sarkozy had promised there would be "consequences" after the shooting.
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Even the 'miles" system today we train with covers the muzzel . The "rules" still apply even while training. and youre right Tom the blank system we had covered the muzzel with a screw on adapter, we used to take them off and shoot the red team. made a nasty burn and would put the paper in your skin LOL. but I digress ;D
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Even the 'miles" system today we train with covers the muzzel . The "rules" still apply even while training. and youre right Tom the blank system we had covered the muzzel with a screw on adapter, we used to take them off and shoot the red team. made a nasty burn and would put the paper in your skin LOL. but I digress ;D
The wad, at close range, will go through a C ration can.
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If you read this, it says "a live cartridge" not a magazine was the cause, that was one potent round that injured seventeen people...