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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Hazcat on July 03, 2008, 07:17:57 AM
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Disney claims to be exempts from new state gun law
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Walt Disney World believes it is exempt from a new state law that allows Florida residents to keep firearms in their vehicles while at work, according to an internal memo obtained by a newspaper.
Under the bill, which took effect Tuesday, businesses cannot prohibit employees or customers from keeping a legally owned gun locked inside their cars, as long as the owner has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
However, the bill states that property owned or leased by an employer who has a permit required by federal law to manufacture, use, store or move explosives would still be off limits. Disney has a permit for its fireworks shows.
The loophole was lobbied for by a group of lawyers that represented groups and businesses that included Disney, the Sentinel reports.
Shannon McAleavey, Disney World Vice President of Public Affairs, said in the memo that, with some exceptions, "this law does not apply to Walt Disney World Co. owned and leased properties."
The Orlando Sentinel obtained the memo. A Disney spokesman confirmed it circulated last week.
Disney spokeswoman Zoraya Suarez told The Associated Press that the company maintains a zero-tolerance policy, and said "anyone bringing a gun on property can expect to be subject to discipline."
link http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_PARKING_LOT_GUNS_DISNEY_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME
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Crowds, long lines and no carry. I'll stay away >:(
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time to rethink the trip next month. ???
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The “happiest place in the world”. Now, only the mice will have guns.
That’s too bad there is a loop-hole because someone there may need to protect themselves on their way home or when they get home. Will say it also shows how good the lawyers are for Disney were with their proactive efforts on behalf of their client.
What it comes down to, is that when you travel and you go into a hotel and you see a sign that says “NO PETS”? Well, all hotels take pets … some just don’t know it.
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Having worked for the mouse, i can tell you, getting into an employee parking lot is harder then most of you would think...
They are gated, lots of gaurds, you are asked to produce ID( several times thru out the day) There are signs every where about recording devices, there is a very strick non discloser contract you must sign and a rule book a mile thick of which you must sign that you agree. The only time I've had some one dig into my background more then they did was when I was working a on a nuclear power plant.
So now here is the question, you signed all that before the laws was passed, Do you stick to you word or do you break it?
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I would not work for them and as I private citizen they can NOT stop me from carrying when I 'visit'.
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::) here we go again.....................................sighhhhhhhhhh
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Just kidding.. ( I think :-\ )
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Disney is just WalMart with animatronics.
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::) here we go again.....................................sighhhhhhhhhh
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Just kidding.. ( I think :-\ )
Yes, We all know that TAB won't be convinced until a flaming bush tells him "Thou shall carry where thou pleaseth." And maybe not then. :(
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Disney is just trying to avoid future repair expenses... imagine working the "It's a small world" ride on a daily basis. I'm as cool headed as the next guy, but sooner or later that song just gets to you! :P It would make one hell of a shooting gallery! ;D ;D
Swoop
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Disney is just trying to avoid future repair expenses... imagine working the "It's a small world" ride on a daily basis. I'm as cool headed as the next guy, but sooner or later that song just gets to you! :P It would make one hell of a shooting gallery! ;D ;D
Swoop
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Disney is a safe place ... unless that freak'n mouse gets a bout of hydrophobia. Then you all will wish you would have had a big ol' rat killer strapped on! ;)
While Disney can be called “safe”, the issue is what about having protection for the ride home? What about protection as you go into your home?
If you work at the “Magic Kingdom” and you want to keep a gun in your car, do it and just don’t tell anyone. On your way home, crank up the Clash’s cover of “I Fought The Law” and drive safe. 8)
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Disney is a safe place ... unless that freak'n mouse gets a bout of hydrophobia. Then you all will wish you would have had a big ol' rat killer strapped on! ;)
While Disney can be called “safe”, the issue is what about having protection for the ride home? What about protection as you go into your home?
If you work at the “Magic Kingdom” and you want to keep a gun in your car, do it and just don’t tell anyone. On your way home, crank up the Clash’s cover of “I Fought The Law” and drive safe. 8)
Ooooooooooooooooooooooo, Ron, you're going to get into trouble with TAAAB!!! I'm gonna tell!!!
Hell, as long as we're talking about Disney, I thought someone other than TAB should behave like a child! ;D
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Disney is just WalMart with animatronics.
When was the last time you talked to anyone at Walmart ;D
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When was the last time you talked to anyone at Walmart ;D
Never...I've been in a Walmart once...the only time I've ever completely stuck to a principle judgement. They had opened a new one near me and I checked to see if they had cheap ammo. They had NO ammo, so I left and have never gone in another.
Companies like Walmart are driving the true American Spirit out of business for their own gain. Screw them. Screw Disney too.
Somebody should set up a Disney shooting gallery. It would be a HUGE success.
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Disney is just trying to avoid future repair expenses... imagine working the "It's a small world" ride on a daily basis. I'm as cool headed as the next guy, but sooner or later that song just gets to you! :P It would make one hell of a shooting gallery! ;D ;D
Swoop
Ever since I took my 1st journey through “It’s A Small World” I thought … what if this was the “Apocalypse Now” ride? Possibly have to utilize MILES gear to minimize “friendly fire” issues from the next boat … but the possibilities would be endless.
Ride would feature a wonderful symphony of assorted full auto weapons accented by the heavy slapping rhythm section of M19 grenade launchers. Boats would navigate through the various rooms chewing up the various bad guys from around the world.
Best part, would not have to hear that maddening song until the very end. Here it will be played to show just how small our world really is as you pick the targets for Trident II missile strikes from your boat which has morphed into an Ohio class submarine. Target choices … Tehran, Damascus, Pyongyang, Caracas and San Francisco (yeah, it’s about time they have something else up their ___ ).
Hotter than Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and more fun than putting Granny into a 4G spin on the Tea Cups. I think this one has some possibilities. Hell, they may even thaw ol' Walt out for this one. ;)
PS: After the song "It's A Small World" plays, the final song would be the Doors, "The End".
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Ron...that's just plain mean spirited...San Francisco getting zeroed out. How can you be so short-sighted and angered that you would leave out...oh say, Mayor Daly's neighborhood and Bloomberg's neighborhood? You really should get a grip so you can be more inclusive....., eh?
The above not withstanding, I bet the gerbils would 2nd your vote.
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Disney is just trying to avoid future repair expenses... imagine working the "It's a small world" ride on a daily basis. I'm as cool headed as the next guy, but sooner or later that song just gets to you! :P It would make one hell of a shooting gallery! ;D ;D
Swoop
The animitronics even resemble poppers!!
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Ron...that's just plain mean spirited...San Francisco getting zeroed out. How can you be so short-sighted and angered that you would leave out...oh say, Mayor Daly's neighborhood and Bloomberg's neighborhood? You really should get a grip so you can be more inclusive....., eh?
The above not withstanding, I bet the gerbils would 2nd your vote.
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Good point Rastus! I picked San Fran for two reasons. One, I am a Dodger fan and secondly that city has no redeeming social value.
Bloomberg could take a hit but I would avoid Chi-Town because one of my two favorite bars in the entire free world is there … Buddy Guy’s Legends.
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They're about to get challenged:
http://www.wftv.com/news/16784153/detail.html
Security Guard Plans To Challenge Disney By Bringing Gun To Work - News Story - WFTV Orlando
Security Guard Plans To Challenge Disney By Bringing Gun To Work
POSTED: 5:40 pm EDT July 3, 2008
UPDATED: 6:08 pm EDT July 3, 2008
LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- A Disney security guard told Eyewitness News he's okay with being fired rather than go to work unprotected. Disney claims it's exempt from a new state law that allows employees to keep handguns in their cars.
VOTE: Allow Disney employees to have guns in cars
The employee Eyewitness News talked with is not concerned about safety at the park. He's concerned about a rise in crime everywhere else.
As a security guard, Edwin Sotomayer works strange hours and says he has a right to feel safe when he is commuting to and from the theme parks. He has been a Disney security guard for more than 13 years, but he's willing to lose his job to stand up for his right to bring a gun to work
"I am going to be a test tube of this new law. If I am the first one to get fired at Disney, let it be," he said.
Disney claims it's exempt from a new state law allowing employees to carry guns in their cars because it stores fireworks, but Sotomayer says Disney is violating his rights and he plans to challenge the company Friday by putting his gun in a case and keeping it in his car while he works security at Animal Kingdom.
"It's the law and the law is there to protect me. I hope somebody is listening to me up there too," he said.
Sotomayer said he wants to be able to protect himself from Orlando's growing crime problem
Channel 9 found a 43 percent increase in the number of calls for service to Disney in the last year, but also found the Orange County Sheriff's Office didn't file a report on most of the calls. Deputies said they will not file a report if the incident does not rise to the level of a crime.
Sotomayer said Disney is safe, but Orlando is not, and he has the right to keep a gun in his car so he is protected during his 23-mile commute to and from the theme park.
"The criminals don't care. If they have to kill someone, they will," he said.
Disney told Eyewitness News it respects Sotomayer's opinion, but safety is its top priority and employees who bring guns to work risk getting fired. Sotomayer has already hired an attorney.
He is not the only one who is upset. The NRA and the State Attorney General have also received complaints
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They are too smart to fall for that... they will just not let him into the parking lot. Then they will fire him.
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Please follow the link to the story and vote in the poll.
It is 93 to7 (%) to allow Disney employess to store in their car at work.
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I'm shocked to learn that Disney stores fireworks in the employee parking lot! What BS is that? Would it not be more credible to just own up to their anti-gun beliefs? And it is not even anti-gun, it's pro-peace, love, kittens&puppies, fun, amity among men, which is great until the armed man, bent on violence, arrives, and the posted signs become irrelevant. That's when the Mouse calls for stout men with real guns to deal with the problem. And they are only minutes away.
Are the Disney security guards really unarmed??
Mac.
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Voted, still 93/7% with almost 8000 votes cast.
Of course the way the proposition is worded leaves a great deal to be desired:
"The NRA is taking aim at Disney. A new law just went on the books in Florida that says people are allowed to bring their guns to work, but it's not the case at Central Florida's largest employer. Do you think Disney employees should be allowed to bring guns to work?"
First, let's scare everyone, the big bad NRA is gunning for the areas largest employer.
Last, it is NOT about bringing them to work (i.e., into the park), only to the parking lot.
Typical mindless/liberal mediia?
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Voted, still 93/7% with almost 8000 votes cast.
Of course the way the proposition is worded leaves a great deal to be desired:
"The NRA is taking aim at Disney. A new law just went on the books in Florida that says people are allowed to bring their guns to work, but it's not the case at Central Florida's largest employer. Do you think Disney employees should be allowed to bring guns to work?"
First, let's scare everyone, the big bad NRA is gunning for the areas largest employer.
Last, it is NOT about bringing them to work (i.e., into the park), only to the parking lot.
Typical mindless/liberal mediia?
replace with 'biased' and you have the right of it.
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DDMack:
"Would it not be more credible to just own up to their anti-gun beliefs?"
They don't believe anyone should have weapons on their property. My thought is that they are afraid of an employee going "Goofy" after hearing the theme to "It's A Small World" one too many times.
"...until the armed man, bent on violence, arrives, and the posted signs become irrelevant."
This is the key point. Whether it is an employee or someone from outside their kingdom, their employees are being denied the right to self protection on their way to and from work.
"That's when the Mouse calls for stout men with real guns to deal with the problem."
The Mouse makes a lot of money for the state and for Disney. But the Mouse has to answer to the law of the land and should this make it to court, the decision will be that employers and the state cannot trump the US Constitution. Especially if there are no explosives being stored in the employee parking lot!
Pathfinder:
"First, let's scare everyone, the big bad NRA is gunning for the areas largest employer."
That was my take on that story too. Almost made it sound like Eddie the Eagle was having baby mice and ducks for breakfast.
"Last, it is NOT about bringing them to work (i.e., into the park), only to the parking lot."
I could be wrong but don't the employees at Disney have to park in a secure employee parking lot that is like a mile away from the actual park? With the law in place that employees can bring a weapon to work and that there are no explosives/fireworks being stored in, on or under the employee parking lot, I don't see Disney having any legs on this one.
Also wondering ... does Disney have the right to search someone's vehicle in their parking lot?
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Today many (most?) corporate employers (Human Resources Departments) want to show they are fair and compassionate and have no reservations hiring unbalanced people. HR departments have become all consuming in corporate America with their United Way giving punishment, special day parades, etc. etc. while punishing organizations that stand on moral principles of our founding like churches, Boy Scouts, etc.
HR departments will become corporate fascists if there is weak executive leadership twisting law to suit self-directed political goals. I see it where I've worked. Usually, it's not the stand-up guys that work in HR...it's the fringe element of society and generally wants to establish a corporate nanny-state with a gynocentric bent. Rant off.
So...here we are, we must deny people a right to protect themselves to and from work so we can control what's in their personal vehicles. If it is that big of a deal then I'm guessing everyone is passing through metal detectors after they exit the parking lot, eh? No knives, blunt instruments, tools, etc. on location...right? Hogfreakingwash. It's about gun-hating agenda mixed with control.
It's a phantom control issue. There is no significant employee problem..oh it does occur, but nothing like being accosted on the side of the road. If that less than significant problem occurs where I work...then I would like to be able to defend myself. Another example of trying to stop a crazy person by punishing everyone else...why must we persist in controlling the masses in failed attempts to mitigate a crazy person? Because it "feels like" we've done something and, hey, control feels good to some people.
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replace with 'biased' and you have the right of it.
I was giving them the benefit of the doubt with "mindless" as it is often apropos with a large percentage of the media.
Can't wait to hear from TAB on this thread!
not. ;D
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I was giving them the benefit of the doubt with "mindless" as it is often apropos with a large percentage of the media.
Kindness can be a dangerous virtue if mis-applied. ;)
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"They don't believe anyone should have weapons on their property. " Ron J.
They don't believe anyone on the planet should have, or need, weapons. I agree 100%. I am not, however, in total denial of human nature, and will not sacrifice my security in furtherance of their quest for the Garden of Eden. I just don't understand why they fear the honest man, armed against evil, and foolishly believe that their policies will evoke everyman's better nature.
Mac.
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The ting is the policy only affects employees that HAVE a CCW!
The FL law that just passed says that CCW holders are allowed to keep a gun in the car while at work (with the fireworks exception).
As far as visitors to the park there is no restriction on CCW holders. I carry all the time at Universal.
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Unless the powers that be are standing at the gates with wands and are doing strip searches, there is no way in hell they will know that I was carrying. ::)
If I was working there and one fine day I see that they are wanding or using metal detectors, or even asking to search my vehicle.....I'd politely tell them to kiss my donkey, turn around and leave.
Id phone in my resignation.
I had been to Disney Land several times in the past with my kids while I suffered living in SoCal.
Admittedly the first couple of visits were a dream come true for me. As a child I watched the opening day festivities on the family's B&W Philco TV.
After that second visit I became annoyed at the BS we had to suffer while visiting.
And now this crap. I can't help but feel that old Walt is spinning in his grave over the way his dream is being run now days.
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Unless the powers that be are standing at the gates with wands and are doing strip searches, there is no way in hell they will know that I was carrying. ::)
having worked for them( working for a very large contractor that was doing remodel work at DL) I can tell you they do every thing but strip search you. They really don't mess around. Infact there was more security there then there was when I was working on a FBI building ( same contractor)
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Are the Disney security guards armed??
Mac.
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I guess times have changed. If I recall, they used to store their fireworks in the old bunkers at the airport. Orlando International used to be an airforce base, and Disney rented some of the old bunkers for storage. This was in the early 90's when I used to call on them. With all their building over the last years, they may have decided it was better to build their own storage area instead of transporting them from OIA.
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I guess times have changed. If I recall, they used to store their fireworks in the old bunkers at the airport. Orlando International used to be an airforce base, and Disney rented some of the old bunkers for storage. This was in the early 90's when I used to call on them. With all their building over the last years, they may have decided it was better to build their own storage area instead of transporting them from OIA.
Do you have a way to check on that ? If they store their explosives OFF SITE then the explosives clause wouldn't be in affect.Would it ?
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I don't live up that way anymore Tom. If there is anyone from the Orlando area, maybe they could check.
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Do you have a way to check on that ? If they store their explosives OFF SITE then the explosives clause wouldn't be in affect.Would it ?
It would still be in effect, because regardless of where they store them, they shoot them off from barges in lagoons towards the back of the property, i.e., ON the property.
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It would still be in effect, because regardless of where they store them, they shoot them off from barges in lagoons towards the back of the property, i.e., ON the property.
Oh, thought there was a way to jam them up .