The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on May 21, 2014, 10:27:17 PM
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I don't think the federal government will fix itself. Congress, both sides, and the person who is in the Office of President have known what was going on for years. In fact I don't care what the head of VA did in the military he's either a dumb as a rock promotee' or has turned into a sellout.
If administrators denied people care they were entitled to in the pursuit of furthering their careers or somehow feathering their own nests or because they were ordered to CONTRARY to policy to deny care why not charge those people with murder or manslaughter?
I think that fits....talk about see the federal government convulse....the states still have the big stick until that Constitutional Convention filled with good intentions gets derailed as pre-planned by the communist/totalitarian progressive liberals. Besides....it will give Eric Holder something else to do to defend the minions as opposed to focusing on how to screw the people.
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As someone who has gone to the VA in the past, this is not surprise. They seem like they do everything in their power to get you to not use the VA. I sustained an injury to my shoulder while in the service and was hoping to get treatment for it but the hassle of dealing with the VA was not worth it so I just paid for whatever I needed myself.
I pretty much have 0 faith that anything we actually get fixed. This is just how large bureaucracies work by their nature and until people figure that out nothing will change.
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When I was taking people to emergency rooms as a career from '78-'10, many vets wanted to go to the Phx VA "Emergency" Dept for treatment. (very small, VERY understaffed)
After MULTIPLE problems the Fire Dept medical director sent out a memo that said we could NOT take patients there. If the patient was needing emergency care, they needed to go to any other ED than that one.
IIRC, that was back in the 90's...I don't imagine that anything has gotten much better in the years since.
It's very nature (bureaucracy) means that it is a fustercluck who's only interest is perpetuating itself.
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Tell me again about how great govt health care is ?
Think this is bad, Obamacare is for the entire country.
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I have been involved with the VA (as a patient) for more years than I'd care to admit. And contrary to the reports of many others, I have enjoyed superlative treatment. Of course, it should be noted that I use the C.W. "Bill" Young Bay Pines Veterans Hospital. Bill Young, our long time congresscritter, was a true champion for veterans' rights, and his wife, Beverly, was indefatigable in her pursuit of nothing but the best for Florida vets.
I now sport two after-market hips that still work better than the ones I got from God--even after 10 years or more on the first one and 8 or 9 on number 2.
Last year around this time I discovered I had a hiatal hernia. Better than 80% of my stomach had taken up residence north of my diaphragm and was pressing against my heart. The VA got me in for surgery within a week after discovery. Can't fault that kind of speed.
When I needed new glasses, I got my eye exam scheduled within 3 weeks to a month of my request and my new specs came in the mail 8 days later.
I should also note that when I was visiting my folks in Mesa, AZ, I discovered I had picked up a tapeworm while teaching English in Thailand. Don't ask how I know, but believe me when I say I had absolute confirmation it was a tapeworm. I wanted/needed treatment, so I went to the infamous Phoenix VA.
They couldn't find any record of my ever being in the VA system. My government issued VA identification card couldn't be read on their computer system (or so they said) so I was denied treatment. Ended up with a $150 per visit doc-in-the-box and a $200 prescription. Had I been back home in Florida, I have no doubt I would have been treated immediately.
So, I guess what I am saying is this:It depends on where you live what kind of service the VA will provide.
That some of my brothers have died waiting for care from their local VA is beyond the pale. Those responsible should be brought up on murder charges. But it is also important to realize that this is a precursor of what's coming under OdamnaCare. Rationed care is an inevitability.
I would also note that C.W. "Bill" Young was a lifelong Republican. His successor is David Jolly, likewise, a Republican. The majority (if not all) of the areas wherein suspect VA facilities are located are predominantly Democrat.
FWIW,
Crusader Rabbit
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Gee all the votes are for the same option.
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I've had the same experience as Crusader...but only for a few years now...
I was worried about the quality, but after these 3 or so years, I find I am getting better care than I did at my private practice Dr.
I am impressed with the dedication of the staff I have encountered also...with the very few exceptions you will find in any organization.
I believe them may have gotten out of the ER business. When I call, the recording advises you that if it is an emergency call to call 911 and tell the ER you are on the VA health plan.
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Gee all the votes are for the same option.
Yeah well...I'm just playing by the left's rules. Fire with fire, you know....
I set it up to get the result I wanted.
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A family member who lives in MN has gotten some pretty good VA care like CRabbit has experienced.
Prosthetic leg, surgerys when needed, all with only slight delays. Similar to what Dad got in WI before he passed away. I hope most vets get this kind of good treatment.
If you need to use the Phx VA, run....
Whoever gave the disgraced Phx VA director a bonus, (now supposedly rescinded), should be tarred & feathered right after they get done with the now former director.
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My Dad is classed as 100% disabled due to long term effects of his service during the Korean war.
His experience has been the same as Crusader Rabbit's.
Some facilities are real good while others suck.
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My Dad is classed as 100% disabled due to long term effects of his service during the Korean war.
His experience has been the same as Crusader Rabbit's.
Some facilities are real good while others suck.
Yep.....and many fall in the middle ground.
The one we used to take my f-i-l to for his visits (and sometimes weekly stays) was painfully understaffed for the number of vets there. Most of the guys we saw there were Korean War and WWII aged gentlemen, and had progressed to the point of needing vigilant attention...... but with around ten rooms per ward, and each room having six patients, and only four nurses per ward....well, things were left undone.
For many patients that had overnight (or extended) stays, routine care was left up to visiting family members if the patient wasn't capable (we drove the 100 mile one-way trip every day). Sadly, many of these men were alone.....day in and day out, no one came to visit...and some couldn't feed themselves and were reduced to waiting on a nurse that might happen by to help (and yes, my wife and I helped where we could).
It could have been much worse, I guess.....but dang sure could have been much better also.
These folks deserve better.....they've earned better.
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As someone who has gone to the VA in the past, this is not surprise. They seem like they do everything in their power to get you to not use the VA. I sustained an injury to my shoulder while in the service and was hoping to get treatment for it but the hassle of dealing with the VA was not worth it so I just paid for whatever I needed myself.
I pretty much have 0 faith that anything we actually get fixed. This is just how large bureaucracies work by their nature and until people figure that out nothing will change.
This is exactly what private health care insurance companies do, so you won't use the short and long term disability they offer with their plans. When I went in for my hernia surgery a few years back, I was going to be off for several weeks. I asked in advance for the forms I needed to fill out, in order to get the short term disability they offered.
I received a mountain of paperwork that I had to complete, and even more forms for the doctor to complete. I completed them, as did he, sent them in, and I never received a cent. When I inquired, they returned the forms with areas circled in red ink, that, according to them, were incorrectly filled out. These were all simple, direct questions that were answered correctly by both of us. There was really no other way to answer them.
At that point I just threw everything in the trash, because by then I had returned to work. This is how the bulk of them operate. They simply make everything far more trouble than it's worth regarding benifits. I can imagine the government is ten times worse.
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<snip>I received a mountain of paperwork that I had to complete, and even more forms for the doctor to complete. I completed them, as did he, sent them in, and I never received a cent. When I inquired, they returned the forms with areas circled in red ink, that, according to them, were incorrectly filled out. These were all simple, direct questions that were answered correctly by both of us. There was really no other way to answer them.
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I hate going to a lawyer...but sometimes you are due money from the insurance company thieves. Also, if they sent you information saying that you had filled the forms out incorrectly when you did fill them out correctly and they stated that in a letter through the US Mail you can file mail fraud charges. No need for them to not be miserable with a US Postal Inspector perched in their office. Mail fraud is not just for Ponzi schemes...but "respectable" companies too.