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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Teresa Heilevang on July 24, 2008, 03:41:18 PM
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/8126
Published: 07/22/08, 11:52 PM
An Open Letter to Barack Obama
by David Ha'ivri
We know who you are and who your friends are.
Barack Obama, why don't you just go home?
Barack, your visit here is just a waste of time; you're not wanted or needed here. We'll do just fine without you and you'll probably do better with out us, too. Don't come around here making as if you're looking out for the good of Israel. We know who you are and who your friends are. Zigzagging back and forth about dividing or un-dividing
I'm not talking about your middle name. Any good Christian might have the middle name Hussein (although I can't think of any others). We won't hold that against you. There are worse things than having an Arab name; like for instance being supported by a known Jew-hater, bigot Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, who among other statements has accused the Jews of bringing on the Holocaust through cooperation with Hitler - "They helped him get the Third Reich on the road." But, of course, it would be wrong to hold that against you, because you haven't been rallying for his support (recently).
We can't really blame you for the beliefs of Father Michael Pfleger, who embraces Black Liberation Theology, which claims that Jesus was Black - so the Jews have no claim to Israel and, therefore, the Muslims are the rightful heirs of the Holy Land. Those beliefs have nothing to do with you, aside from the fact that you have coined the man your "moral compass." But one must admit that Pfleger is not your only mentor and also is not alone in looking up to Farrakhan.
Your spiritual mentor is Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who has praised Jimmy Carter for denouncing Zionism. Last year, the Trumpet Newsmagazine of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to Louis Farrakhan and said that he is a man who "truly epitomized greatness." You are a member of that Church and Jeremiah Wright is its leader and your spiritual adviser.
Now you won't go so far as to criticize Jimmy Carter, not even for meeting with the heads of Hamas, because, to paraphrase your words, "It's not your place to criticize him." That is, not until the next day, when you were seeking the support of Jewish leaders. Then you must have found a new place for criticism. Aren't the Jews great for giving a guy a new vision and a sense of self-confidence? Is that what you meant by, "It's time for change"?
Barack Hussein, we won't hold it against you. But can you tell us what you mean by supporting a Palestinian State along side Israel? Do you mean a replay of the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Gaza three years ago? Do you foresee soldiers carrying men, women and children away from their homes, which are to be demolished by bulldozers? Palestinian rule brought on the endless rocket fire on Sderot and the thousands of Jewish refugees who have yet to find permanent homes or means of a steady income. Is that your vision of a new hope that Farakkhan's Final Call website praises you for?
Barack Hussein, why don't you just go home? Your visit to Israel this week is not because you're looking out for the wellbeing of Israel and the Jewish people. You're coming to Israel speak with the Jewish American voters through the press coverage of this tour to the holy land. You want them to think that you took the time off from your busy campaign to further peace in the Middle East. Your hope is that enough stupid Jews will misread the message and take it as an act of support for Israel.
Don't use us or our land as a photo-op to transmit a twisted call for support to Jewish-American voters. You don't fool us. We know who you and your friends are.
Barack Hussein, why don't you just go home? But on the way out, remember the words you heard here from the proud Jewish settlers in Judea and Samaria: "This is our land!" We are back after two thousand years of forced exile and we are not about to leave it again.
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Thanks M'ette. We can always count on you and Haz "the flee bitten one" Cat to provide us with interesting news and opinions from outside the area.
I copied this onto another forum that tends to lean ... scratch that ... has fallen on its left side, and will wait to see who agrees and who starts heating up the tar as they look for me.
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Thanks M'ette. We can always count on you and Haz "the flee bitten one" Cat to provide us with interesting news and opinions from outside the area.
I copied this onto another forum that tends to lean ... scratch that ... has fallen on its left side, and will wait to see who agrees and who starts heating up the tar as they look for me.
Good for you. Those are the type that NEED to hear these things.
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Thanks M'ette. We can always count on you and Haz "the flee bitten one" Cat to provide us with interesting news and opinions from outside the area.
I copied this onto another forum that tends to lean ... scratch that ... has fallen on its left side, and will wait to see who agrees and who starts heating up the tar as they look for me.
The "left side" needs to hear as much of this as possible!!
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They don't want him? Damn!! I was hoping we could export his commie ass!!
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We can't really blame you for the beliefs of Father Michael Pfleger, who embraces Black Liberation Theology, which claims that Jesus was Black - so the Jews have no claim to Israel and, therefore, the Muslims are the rightful heirs of the Holy Land. Those beliefs have nothing to do with you, aside from the fact that you have coined the man your "moral compass." But one must admit that Pfleger is not your only mentor and also is not alone in looking up to Farrakhan.
One of the many things I can't figure out about the Catholic Church. They put up with pedophiles and now this guy. To this, Pope John Paul came out and denounced Black Liberation theology as being anti-Christian. It's Marxism dressed in a bad habit. Of course that’s a solid fit to what Barack Hussein Obama believes in.
My sister-in-law is a wonderful lady… albeit incredibly liberal with a sincere propensity to enter into political debate after two glasses of wine. She asked me at dinner last Sunday who I was going to vote for.
I told her, Barack Obama.
By her reaction, my first impression was that she thought I burped. So I said it again, I am going to vote for Barack Obama. She’s knows that I am about two clicks to the right of Reagan so it was no surprise that her expression matched that of a dog thinking "WTF?".
I told her that I think it is abso-luving-lutly wonderful that today in the United States of America, a half black and/or half white man who has never managed a thing, has never lead anything other than a group of three at a local Starbucks in a discussion on Marxist Economics, who has not a single measurable accomplishment in his short two year tenure in the US Senate, who gladly associates with people that are anti-American and who has a wife that makes Hillary look like “Glenda” the good witch of the North has a real shot at being President. That this no-talent sonofabitch can walk into the presidency while I am struggling to find a sales leadership position with a solid company. I love the pathos of this election.
Despite her wine intake, she saw through my middle school humor and after she finished her third glass of wine and went home without any further debate.
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We can't really blame you for the beliefs of Father Michael Pfleger, who embraces Black Liberation Theology, which claims that Jesus was Black - so the Jews have no claim to Israel and, therefore, the Muslims are the rightful heirs of the Holy Land. Those beliefs have nothing to do with you, aside from the fact that you have coined the man your "moral compass." But one must admit that Pfleger is not your only mentor and also is not alone in looking up to Farrakhan.
One of the many things I can't figure out about the Catholic Church. They put up with pedophiles and now this guy. To this, Pope John Paul came out and denounced Black Liberation theology as being anti-Christian. It's Marxism dressed in a bad habit. Of course that’s a solid fit to what Barack Hussein Obama believes in.
My sister-in-law is a wonderful lady… albeit incredibly liberal with a sincere propensity to enter into political debate after two glasses of wine. She asked me at dinner last Sunday who I was going to vote for.
I told her, Barack Obama.
By her reaction, my first impression was that she thought I burped. So I said it again, I am going to vote for Barack Obama. She’s knows that I am about two clicks to the right of Reagan so it was no surprise that her expression matched that of a dog thinking "WTF?".
I told her that I think it is abso-luving-lutly wonderful that today in the United States of America, a half black and/or half white man who has never managed a thing, has never lead anything other than a group of three at a local Starbucks in a discussion on Marxist Economics, who has not a single measurable accomplishment in his short two year tenure in the US Senate, who gladly associates with people that are anti-American and who has a wife that makes Hillary look like “Glenda” the good witch of the North has a real shot at being President. That this no-talent sonofabitch can walk into the presidency while I am struggling to find a sales leadership position with a solid company. I love the pathos of this election.
Despite her wine intake, she saw through my middle school humor and after she finished her third glass of wine and went home without any further debate.
ROFL
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Sunday dinner tomorrow with my sister in law and the family. I will bring a bottle of wine to see what happens.
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Sunday dinner tomorrow with my sister in law and the family. I will bring a bottle of wine to see what happens.
;D Don't break your toy ! ;D
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;D Don't break your toy ! ;D
Tom, I am running a bit slow this AM ... "break my toy"? I'm sorry, I need translation.
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Tom, I am running a bit slow this AM ... "break my toy"? I'm sorry, I need translation.
Get your Sister in Law so PO'ed she won't come back, or at least won't let you make fun of her any more.
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OK ... I get it. Sorry I'm running a bit slow today.
I have a feeling her equally liberal husband and conservative mother who will be at dinner have "reminded" her not to discuss politics. Which is good. In the past, I have actually prepared for such debate with reference material to back up statements and she simply dismisses that with "you can validate any point with anything but it doesn't make it true or right".
Problem is, as indicated by her comment that her sources are based on emotion and belief vs. any fact. In short, like a lot of liberals I know, they believe what they are told to believe. Words mean what they want them to mean. Nothing more and nothing less.
I am actually not in the mood to argue about Barack Hussein Obama. For some reason, I really want a good knock down debate on the Viet Nam War or why we need to plant Muslims this summer.
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Have fun Ron ;D
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Problem is, as indicated by her comment that her sources are based on emotion and belief vs. any fact. In short, like a lot of liberals I know, they believe what they are told to believe. Words mean what they want them to mean. Nothing more and nothing less.
Thank God, it's not just me. I was beginning to think myself some sort of political biggot. It seems every time I get into a political "discussion" with one of my "leftish" friends, they cannot support their argument in any shape, form, or fashion. Yet they act like I'm retarded when I explain my views, which I can support with facts. Almost came to blows during '04 election (no aggression on my part) because I didn't believe John Kerry was the second coming of our savior, I mean he was a Democrat. ::) Guess you just can't override emotion with fact no matter how irrefutable.
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Thank God, it's not just me. I was beginning to think myself some sort of political biggot. It seems every time I get into a political "discussion" with one of my "leftish" friends, they cannot support their argument in any shape, form, or fashion. Yet they act like I'm retarded when I explain my views, which I can support with facts. Almost came to blows during '04 election (no aggression on my part) because I didn't believe John Kerry was the second coming of our savior, I mean he was a Democrat. ::) Guess you just can't override emotion with fact no matter how irrefutable.
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Reminds of the old saying - just because it is a deeply held personal opinion does not mean it is right. It is simply a deeply held personal opinion. You can believe, in your heart of hearts, that the sun rises in the south and sets in the east - but your belief does not make it so.
Cannot argue with these people. The public ed system in this country has been cranking out people for decades who are more worried about feeling good about themselves than in being rational and analytic in any way, so facts are meaningless. Besides, when you correct them, you are making them feel not good about themselves, why, you are actually telling them they are wrong! Mommy said they were perfect little angels, so they can't possibly be wrong. Shame on you!!!! >:(
One of the reasons I am so pessimistic about the future of this country - we are way down the slippery slope.
On the other hand, when the shumer hits the fan, this country will need sheepdogs. And this old arthritic pooch will do what he can. 8)
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Some one said something to the effect that Bullies get bored, the greedy get enough money, but the do gooder will NEVER quit trying to manage your life "for your own good". It's for the children. BS
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Cannot argue with these people. Besides, when you correct them, you are making them feel not good about themselves, why, you are actually telling them they are wrong! Mommy said they were perfect little angels, so they can't possibly be wrong. Shame on you!!!! >:(
Truer words were never spoken (or typed) my friend.
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No political or economic discussion tonight. I am OK with that given my mother-in-law really doesn't like that going on between the "kids".
As to my sister-in-law, I used to just see her once a year at the holidays. Given this, when you are only around someone for minutes in a given year, it is very hard to change someone’s belief ... not just someone’s opinion … on any issue/topic. When you add a perceived emotional attachment to a cause or belief, the ability to influence attitude change is even more challenging especially given the limited exposure.
However … now that I am (for the time being) in the same zip code with her, I am looking forward to the challenge of changing some of her liberal or “progressive” beliefs. Anybody can be influenced to the point that they change their point of view on a topic. To do this, time/exposure and a game plan are needed to influence said change.
There are different forms of persuasion to use for different people and different circumstances. To this, I am setting up an objective and will work up a “marketing” plan to change her “liberal” point of view. I will start with one “minor” issue … an easy one (haven’t decided yet what to use) … and then work my way to influencing the change objective that I set.
Ultimate goal is to make family meals more enjoyable.
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Sounds like a reasonable plan and a reasonable goal. ;)
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I admire your patience and persistance, Ron J. For me, I believe a valium would not only be in order but required. Best of luck turning one away from the "Dark Side". ;D
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