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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: m25operator on October 12, 2014, 05:08:08 PM
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I am sure most of you have heard of victim #2 here in Dallas ( ebola ), all is well they say, just a small break in protocol is all. We are monitoring a group of 50 or so, taking temperature twice a day, and oh my😨, someone else is ill, that was allowed to go home, and mix with others. To put it in perspective.
1) apartment where Mr. Duncan lived = 5.4 miles from my home.
2) hospital where he was treated and died = 5.1 miles.
3) neighborhood where victim #2 lives = 9.0
All 3 are heavy, popular locations.
The 2nd patient has been out and about for 5-7 days.
Color me concerned.
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I too am in Dallas until next spring.
1) apartment where Mr. Duncan lived = 2.5 miles from my home.
2) hospital where he was treated and died = 1.0 miles.
3) neighborhood where victim #2 lives = 5.0
That's definitely too close for comfort.
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here in Peru they're talking about closing the borders. hope I can get out before hand. we haven't had any cases here, but they are getting ready for it in some of the South American countries. Brazil has even set up special hospitals just for possible ebola cases and quarantine procedures. sounds like they are more on the ball than our clowns.
Deep.
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... just a small break in protocol is all. We are monitoring a group of 50 or so, ...
The CDC, which is overseeing all of this, has become famous in the last couple of months for "breaks in protocol."
I'm not in panic, but I don't think officials have been totally honest with the public.
And I'm a comfortable 8.1 miles from CDC HQ and labs
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I am not too worried about ebola, just yet (but I not in Dallas either). Sure it is a horrible disease but so far the amount of people that died in Africa is about the same number that dies in the US from flu every year. On top of that the conditions that those people live in Africa are absolute squaller so the death and transmission rates won't necessarily transfer over to the Western World.
What does worry me is that this disease is already been politicized. When the government doesn't want to put travel restrictions on west Africa because they don't want to be seen as racist then there is a big problem. This should be easy to contain but they'll never let a good crises go to waste.
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I am not too worried about ebola, just yet (but I not in Dallas either). Sure it is a horrible disease but so far the amount of people that died in Africa is about the same number that dies in the US from flu every year. On top of that the conditions that those people live in Africa are absolute squaller so the death and transmission rates won't necessarily transfer over to the Western World.
What does worry me is that this disease is already been politicized. When the government doesn't want to put travel restrictions on west Africa because they don't want to be seen as racist then there is a big problem. This should be easy to contain but they'll never let a good crises go to waste.
Not to nitpick your post, but . . . ;)
It's not the number of people who die, it is the mortality rate, which for ebola is ca. 70% of the cases die. With flu, the mortality rate is in the single digits IIRC.
As for it being politicized, well, yeah, that's the point. Look at how this government handled the original cases. They ignored the cases in Africa, then, without fanfare, announced they were bringing the 2 missionaries with ebola into the US, completely bypassing the question of "should we". They just did it. And since both recovered, they can now say "See, no big deal, we can handle this." Only they can't.
It reminds me of the scene in V for Vendetta where John Hurt as the Big Brother figure announces angrily that "We need to remind people why they need us". Think this is happening right before the election by coincidence? Think that the US government owning a patent on an ebola strain is a coincidence? Or the fact that the US .gov owns the only trial cure?
As to the OP - anywhere in the western hemisphere is too close for comfort. It is not a disease anyone here is prepared to handle - witness CDC and the Dallas hospital. Nor is there any real biological resistance to the disease, no natural immunities, which means the mortality rate here could be much higher than 70%. Especially since we don't have a clue as to why the 30% of the victims in Africa survive.
Remember how we were taught in school how evil and vile the North American settlers were in the 17th through 19th Centuries were for giving smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians? Bringing ebola into this country intentionally is the same thing IMHO.
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Brushmore, two things you overlook about the cases in Africa, 1) the normal death toll is around a 100 or so then it burns it's self out, (kills off the local "fuel")
2nd West African Hospitals are far more experienced in dealing with Ebola than the US CDC which "accidentally" sends contagious diseases through the regular mails to wrong addresses.
http://townhall.com/news/us/2014/07/16/cdc-director-admits-safety-problems-at-germ-labs-n1862896
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Obama has said publically you cannot get Ebola from sitting next to someone on a bus who's infected with it. Yet now 2 nurses have caught it while dressed in full protective gear, in an isolation ward of a hospital. This latest gaff should be placed next to his statement that "ISIS is not Islamic". Public Idiot #1.
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.... just a small break in protocol is all. ....
So the CDC director is between the backstop and the target. The above statement was basically throwing the infected nurse under the bus by saying, hey, our protocols are perfect she must have done something wrong. Now he's backpedaling, trying not to insult the healthcare workers. But that means taking up the opposite position of: Hey, we don't know what we're doing.
What's overlooked in many of the press articles is that you have to factor the likelihood of something happening with the effect it causes. And while Ebola's R0 (infection rate) may be only a 2, the Case Fatality Rate is 70% at best. So which would you rather have? Ebola? Or Measles whose R0 is near 18, but CFR less than 0.2% (in the US)?
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Now there's a second nurse reporting symptoms according to a CNN "breaking News" email this am.
Here's another cheery thought for you.
I've been seeing reports that intelligence and counter terror professionals are concerned about the possibility of "Suicide bomber" Ebola carriers. This guy Duncan in Dallas lied to authorities in Liberia to get on the plane, he claimed he had not been near any Ebola patients, but in fact had close contact with at least one.
What is his background, could this have been intentional ? Is it the beginning of a wave ?
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Yeah. Supposedly you can only get it by fornicating with infected monkeys or swapping spit with people who have fornicated with infected monkeys. Now it seems all you have to do is glance sideways at a carrier and wham!
Should have summarily executed patient zero for lying his way into the country and putting many at risk!
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Yeah. Supposedly you can only get it by fornicating with infected monkeys or swapping spit with people who have fornicated with infected monkeys. Now it seems all you have to do is glance sideways at a carrier and wham!
Should have summarily executed patient zero for lying his way into the country and putting many at risk!
If reports of what dying from Ebola entails is true, execution may have been a favor.
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I have a bad feeling this is all going to get way worse, before it gets any better. If it ever does. It would be bad enough with competent people in charge...... With the idiots we have, you tell me?
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There is a 1,000 lb gorilla in the room, I have heard no one in the media ask, nor has anyone volunteered, how many people did the nurse ( now nurses ), come in contact with? When and if, a new patient shows up, outside the ones officially being monitored, the genie is out of the bottle, and the symptoms of hysteria will begin in Earnest. Am I the only one, that thinks, total quarantine, is the only, surefire way of containment? Keep them for the full incubation period + 3 days. But now we have to worry about the caregivers infecting each other, and extending the contraction/incubation date.
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There is a 1,000 lb gorilla in the room, I have heard no one in the media ask, nor has anyone volunteered, how many people did the nurse ( now nurses ), come in contact with? When and if, a new patient shows up, outside the ones officially being monitored, the genie is out of the bottle, and the symptoms of hysteria will begin in Earnest. Am I the only one, that thinks, total quarantine, is the only, surefire way of containment? Keep them for the full incubation period + 3 days. But now we have to worry about the caregivers infecting each other, and extending the contraction/incubation date.
I think you are correct beyond a reasonable doubt, Bennie. Just wait and see what a few outliers do to the peace of America. Have somebody fall down and bleed out of his/her ears and eyes in West Fly-speck, Alabama, and the country comes unglued.
We've been saying it for a good long while now: have food and water stored and ready; have plenty of ammo; renew your relationship with God here and now before you find yourself talking to Him face-to-face.
Crusader Rabit
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Then there is our so responsible media.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/11/nbc-violates-ebola-quarantine/
NBC News -- which has scared the crap out of American citizens by warning them of the dangers of Ebola and the cautions that must be taken -- did exactly the opposite.
The New Jersey Health Department just revealed the NBC crew that had agreed to a voluntary 21-day quarantine after one of its cameraman tested positive for Ebola ... VIOLATED the quarantine.
It's pretty ridiculous ... NBC seemed almost breathlessly excited in reporting that it's people became part of the story.
Now the health department has laid down the law and ORDERED medical correspondent Nancy Snyderman and the other crew members to stay put and comply with the basic safety rules.
It's unclear how many members of the NBC crew violated the deal.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/11/nbc-violates-ebola-quarantine/#ixzz3GEq4lfZw
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/nbc-correspondent-admits-violation-quarantine-26186664
NBC News medical correspondent Nancy Snyderman has admitted that some members of her crew violated a voluntary quarantine to protect against Ebola, a misstep that caused New Jersey health officials to make that quarantine mandatory.
NBC said Tuesday that Snyderman and her crew are taking their temperatures regularly and remain healthy. The team was reporting in Liberia alongside cameraman Ashoka Mukpo, who tested positive for the deadly disease and is now being treated in Nebraska.
Snyderman confirmed the violation, but neither she nor NBC representatives would give details.
The local news website Planet Princeton reported that Snyderman and others drove for takeout food last week.
After the report, New Jersey health authorities ordered Snyderman and her crew to remain quarantined until after 21 days had passed since their potential exposure to the virus.
"As a health professional I know that we have no symptoms and pose no risk to the public, but I am deeply sorry for the concerns this episode caused," Snyderman said. She would not say whether or not she had violated the voluntary quarantine.
NBC, citing privacy concerns, also would not say how many of its employees are being quarantined.
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Oh Boy...here is some interesting information if true...
Medical Research Org CIDRAP: Ebola Transmittable by Air
The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+October+15%2C+2014&utm_campaign=20141015_m122611608_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+October+15%2C+2014&utm_term=ebola-hazmat-suit-ap_jpg_3Fw_3D369
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Oh Boy...here is some interesting information if true...
Medical Research Org CIDRAP: Ebola Transmittable by Air
The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+October+15%2C+2014&utm_campaign=20141015_m122611608_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+October+15%2C+2014&utm_term=ebola-hazmat-suit-ap_jpg_3Fw_3D369
Whatever this administration says, figure just the opposite and you'll be right on the money..... Every time.
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Whatever this administration says, figure just the opposite and you'll be right on the money..... Every time.
Succinct.
Accurate.
Hard to argue with the facts.
Bill, you boiled it all down to its very essence.
It's been noted that Satan, The Father of Lies, now refuses to talk with Odamna.
"You can never believe a thing he says," Beelzebub is quoted as saying. "At least I mix it up a bit--you know, to fool the suckers."
Crusader Rabbit
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A local new station is devoting a half-hour to calming the panic that many of their viewers are experiencing by doing a bunch of reports.
I have a little news for them.
Sometimes, panic is the correct response.
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The local news website Planet Princeton reported that Snyderman and others drove for takeout food last week.
They violated the quarantine to go to lunch? ::)
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They violated the quarantine to go to lunch? ::)
Yep.
NBC put out a statement that "some of their crew" violated the quarantine.
What they/she failed to mention was that one was the Doc...AKA NBC's Chief Medical Correspondent.
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The best information I've ever found for the general public was in the Tom Clancy novel "Rainbow 6" .
At the time I read it I double checked it on line for accuracy and of course being a Clancy novel it is in language you can understand with out 8 years of Med school.
And NO, it is not generally airborne, unless projected like by a sneeze or cough.
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A local new station is devoting a half-hour to calming the panic that many of their viewers are experiencing by doing a bunch of reports.
I have a little news for them.
Sometimes, panic is the correct response.
I don't think it's time to panic yet. Being very concerned is certainly appropriate. It is interesting that the family of the guy who came here with ebola aren't sick yet, just the nurses who took care of him. That gives me hope this can be contained IF we are smart about this. Unfortunately that's a big if because of a huge lack of leadership when it comes to the government.
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The disease itself does not cause me to panic. The Administration handling it DOES.
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The disease itself does not cause me to panic. The Administration handling it DOES.
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The disease itself does not cause me to panic. The Administration handling it DOES.
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It is frightening that I can even remotely see this as being true....
Report: CDC Told Nurse Who Contracted Ebola She Could Board Plane with Low-Grade Fever
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reportedly told Amber Joy Vinson, the second nurse at the Texas hospital that treated Thomas Eric Duncan to come down with Ebola, that it was okay for her to fly even after she told the CDC that she had a low-grade fever.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/15/Report-CDC-told-Texas-Nurse-Who-Contracted-Ebola-She-Could-Board-Plane-with-Low-Grade-Fever?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+October+16%2C+2014&utm_campaign=20141016_m122628767_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+October+16%2C+2014&utm_term=More
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I don't think it's time to panic yet. Being very concerned is certainly appropriate.
I agree Brushmore.
The real question is in something like this slowly developing contagion is when is that time? Forget Ebola, consider any contagion, where is the line that takes a situation from mild concern to full hunker down mode? At what infection level is it time to panic?
WHO has 6 phases of an epidemic and Phase 4 would seem to be the one that is the indicator we're in really deep do-do. Widespread community outbreaks. Or as they say.
The ability to cause sustained disease outbreaks in a community marks a significant upwards shift in the risk for a pandemic.
Now the problem is, I suspect governmental agencies will downplay and fail to report such a shift under the guise of preventing panic.
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The disease itself does not cause me to panic. The Administration handling it DOES.
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Do any of you remember the TV mini series of Steven King's book "The Stand" ?
I don't see this administration acting any different than they did in that.
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If this is needed why don't they just have the medical staff take off the hoods.
I think this explanation is BS.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/16/airline-says-unprotected-man-during-ebola-patient-transport-was-a-protocol-supervisor/
The man observing Wednesday’s transport of the Dallas nurse without a hazmat suit on was a “protocol supervisor” who wasn’t wearing protective gear for a “higher level of safety,” an airline representative said.
Our medical professionals in the biohazard suits have limited vision and mobility and it is the protocol supervisor’s job to watch each person carefully and give them verbal directions to ensure no close-contact protocols are violated,” a Phoenix Air representative told ABC News. “There is absolutely no problem with this and in fact [e]nsures an even higher level of safety for all involved.”
The patient, 29-year-old Amber Vinson, was being flown to Emory Hospital for treatment after becoming the second Dallas health worker to test positive for Ebola virus after caring for Thomas Eric Duncan.
An official said Thursday that Nina Pham, the first nurse diagnosed with Ebola after treating Duncan, would be moved to a National Institutes of Health facility just outside of Washington, D.C., for treatment.
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Just finished making certain that I have 60-90 days of food. I have a well, so I have water. I only have 1500 rounds (avg) for each caliber of firearm I have. Time to buy more ammo.
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Not to nitpick your post, but . . . ;)
It's not the number of people who die, it is the mortality rate, which for ebola is ca. 70% of the cases die. With flu, the mortality rate is in the single digits IIRC.
As for it being politicized, well, yeah, that's the point. Look at how this government handled the original cases. They ignored the cases in Africa, then, without fanfare, announced they were bringing the 2 missionaries with ebola into the US, completely bypassing the question of "should we". They just did it. And since both recovered, they can now say "See, no big deal, we can handle this." Only they can't.
It reminds me of the scene in V for Vendetta where John Hurt as the Big Brother figure announces angrily that "We need to remind people why they need us". Think this is happening right before the election by coincidence? Think that the US government owning a patent on an ebola strain is a coincidence? Or the fact that the US .gov owns the only trial cure?
As to the OP - anywhere in the western hemisphere is too close for comfort. It is not a disease anyone here is prepared to handle - witness CDC and the Dallas hospital. Nor is there any real biological resistance to the disease, no natural immunities, which means the mortality rate here could be much higher than 70%. Especially since we don't have a clue as to why the 30% of the victims in Africa survive.
Remember how we were taught in school how evil and vile the North American settlers were in the 17th through 19th Centuries were for giving smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians? Bringing ebola into this country intentionally is the same thing IMHO.
Or, we can play the "What If" game! What if this single digit casualty-rated Entero68 flu virus was released on us (just in time for flu season) to weaken our immune systems so Ebola's casualty rate can skyrocket to 90%? Just something to think about!
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Our medical professionals in the biohazard suits have limited vision and mobility and it is the protocol supervisor’s job to watch each person carefully and give them verbal directions to ensure no close-contact protocols are violated,” a Phoenix Air representative told ABC News.
So I guess all race car drivers should ditch their crash helmets and HANS Devices because they have, "Limited vision and mobility", when they wear them. Everything associated with this disease is bringing out the total and complete stupidity in most every single person who is in charge of it.
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So why do we need an Ebola Czar? Because maybe somebody's not stepping up to their responsibilities. I mean the CDC is primarily a research and advisory agency, NIH and Surgen General are more concerned with daily health and fitness, and the DHS is a law enforcement agency BUT HHS.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is the U.S. government’s principal agency for protecting the health of all Americans and providing essential human services, especially for those who are least able to help themselves.
HHS is responsible for almost a quarter of all federal outlays and administers more grant dollars than all other federal agencies combined.
Specifically the Office of Preparedness and Response.
Nicole Lurie, M.D., M.S.P.H.
Dr. Lurie is the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR) at the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The mission of her office is to lead the nation in preventing, responding to and recovering from the adverse health effects of public health emergencies and disasters, ranging from hurricanes to bioterrorism.
Ever heard of Dr. Lurie? I think we have a leadership failure. Sure the CDC can recommend protocols, but who should be in the forefront of determining what to do about travelers arriving from infected regions? Whether you're for or against travel restrictions, who should have been in forefront of determining that and presenting it?
And this agency spends 25% of all federal monies! WOW. I'm don't think I'm getting my money's worth.
Meanwhile they (HHS) has time to pin on Pinterest about how important it is to sign up for Obamacare, or how healthy it can be to play hockey. Ebola press releases or statements. ONE. They've funded a one year study of vaccines.
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Another good candidate for response would be what used to be called the Army's Bio warfare unit.
We don't do "Bio warfare" any more, but the unit, with facilities at Ft Detrick, and Natick Ma, still does the same research into infectious diseases.
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Czar = Someone for Obama to appoint to do the leg work so he can use his legs to play golf.
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Czar = Someone for Obama to appoint to do the leg work so he can use his legs to play golf.
More than that. The job comes with a uniform that can the stand impact and force of being run over by a Greyhound
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So why do we need an Ebola Czar? Because maybe somebody's not stepping up to their responsibilities.
Geez Alf....it's almost like you want someone to do their job or something. :o
Pissing away Trillions of Dollars has got to keep them pretty busy.
Can't be bothered to you know, actually DO something for their paycheck.
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There are still the "deniers" out there who keep parroting the "don't panic" line from the CDC. A recent article even linked "panic'ers" with low math and science skills.
For the record. I have 12 credit hours each of math and chemistry from Georgia Institute of Technology, as well as 12 credit hours of statistics from University of South Florida and Georgia State University. I don't think I'm in the "low math and science skills" category. I'm not panic'd, but I am concerned with our government's handling of the current crisis and it's ability going forward.
The question then is: When is it time to panic?
I couldn't find a clear and concise chart from the CDC, but I took the following (with some editing) from World Health Organization. You might want to customize it as you see fit. This is from a white paper titled, WHO global influenza preparedness plan and while it was mainly addressing influenza virus I think it could be appropriately used with any transmittable malady.
I think we're on Phase 3 bordering on going Phase 4. I believe the time to prepare is now and the time to panic is when we are at full Phase 4 going to Phase 5.
Interpandemic Period
Phase 1. No new subtypes have been detected in humans. A subtype that has caused human infection may be present in animals. If present in animals, the risk of human infection or disease is considered to be low.
Phase 2. No new subtypes have been detected in humans. However, a circulating animal subtype poses a substantial risk of human disease.
Pandemic Alert Period
Phase 3. Human infections with a new subtype, but no human-to-human spread, at most rare instances of spread to a close
contact.
Phase 4. Small clusters with limited human-to-human transmission but spread is highly localized.
Phase 5. Larger clusters but human-to-human spread still localized, (substantial pandemic risk)
Pandemic Period
Phase 6. Pandemic phase: increased and sustained transmission in general population.
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Ebola, at this time, with only 4 actual cases in the US is no where near the health threat it is being portrayed as. What it currently is is a smoke screen to take attention off the enterovirus imported by Obama's illegal aliens that is killing children in 46 states. CDC incompetence could change that, but for now, the ignored, Virus is far more dangerous.
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So far the only people here in the US that are getting it are unfortunate medical personnel. That tells me that people aren't contagious until they are very sick but they seem to be highly contagious. That is if we what we are being told is indeed true. It's not like anyone would want to hide things since there is an important election next week...
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That is if we what we are being told is indeed true. It's not like anyone would want to hide things since there is an important election next week...
Ya think? If there's anything currently to be concerned over, it's the statements by our government.
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I think the lesson that is not discussed much is that it is not the CDC that will treat you or your family if they get sick it is the local hospital. Anyone who has spent time around a hospital will notice that they are overworked and understaffed and doing without as much as possible to keep their costs down.
As far as I can tell from a distance the failures that allowed the 2 nurses to be infected are due to THE HOSPITAL staff not actually following the guidelines that do in fact work. The CDC was right that they told all the hospitals what to do, what they didn't say but must know is that there is no money or time at a local level to train your staff in something they will not likely face on a daily basis. I'm not saying this right, just real.
The dirty secret in our hospital systems is that one of the biggest problems that they can not get under control are Hospital Acquired Infections (HAI). Usually it is just some horrible multidrug resistant staff infection that eats your flesh and not a high profile news worthy disease like ebola.
The old joke about staying away from hospitals because they are full of sick people is about right. When the first nurse got sick I thought she likely had bad PPE removal habits as this very hard to teach people. When the second nurse came down with it, I did some digging online and learned that it took them "a few days" to get the PPE protocols into force (and everybody trained) in the IC unit!!! Wow this is kind of like knowing your car has no brakes but driving to the store anyway.
Remember the CDC will not treat you it will be the harried nurse that is about to go home after a double shift. If you are at a med center and someone comes in to treat you and does not wash their hands. Stop them and ask them to please wash before treating you!! You don't want to bring anything home with you that you didn't arrive with!
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I think the lesson that is not discussed much is that it is not the CDC that will treat you or your family if they get sick it is the local hospital. Anyone who has spent time around a hospital will notice that they are overworked and understaffed and doing without as much as possible to keep their costs down.
As far as I can tell from a distance the failures that allowed the 2 nurses to be infected are due to THE HOSPITAL staff not actually following the guidelines that do in fact work. The CDC was right that they told all the hospitals what to do, what they didn't say but must know is that there is no money or time at a local level to train your staff in something they will not likely face on a daily basis. I'm not saying this right, just real.
The dirty secret in our hospital systems is that one of the biggest problems that they can not get under control are Hospital Acquired Infections (HAI). Usually it is just some horrible multidrug resistant staff infection that eats your flesh and not a high profile news worthy disease like ebola.
The old joke about staying away from hospitals because they are full of sick people is about right. When the first nurse got sick I thought she likely had bad PPE removal habits as this very hard to teach people. When the second nurse came down with it, I did some digging online and learned that it took them "a few days" to get the PPE protocols into force (and everybody trained) in the IC unit!!! Wow this is kind of like knowing your car has no brakes but driving to the store anyway.
Remember the CDC will not treat you it will be the harried nurse that is about to go home after a double shift. If you are at a med center and someone comes in to treat you and does not wash their hands. Stop them and ask them to please wash before treating you!! You don't want to bring anything home with you that you didn't arrive with!
I'm the unwilling recipient of TWO major infections due to hospital staff inefficiencies in cleanliness. The hospital staff is directly responsible in both cases and certainly responsible for four (4) hip implants that I received in a one year period.
I've seen very little evidence that they've learned anything either! Shortly after I was cleared of my last severe infection I found an article that stated only 2 out of 10 doctors and nurses actually wash their hands between patients! Hospitals ARE some of the germiest, filthy places to be kept!
I doubt very much that CDC protocol will change the basic flawed human function of most hospitals...
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To back up the "unprepardness" theme, today AP released a story on just that.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/ap-impact-us-health-care-unprepared-ebola-26551097 (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/ap-impact-us-health-care-unprepared-ebola-26551097)
The U.S. health care apparatus is so unprepared and short on resources to deal with the deadly Ebola virus that even small clusters of cases could overwhelm parts of the system, according to an Associated Press review of readiness at hospitals and other components of the emergency medical
If don't want to read the whole report just the first and last will sum it up. Particularly about how many health care workers will abandon their own jobs if faced with working with Ebola patients.
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Of COURSE the health system is unprepared for Ebola. It has NEVER appeared anywhere except West Africa before, because every other out break has been tightly contained.
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To back up the "unprepardness" theme, today AP released a story on just that.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/ap-impact-us-health-care-unprepared-ebola-26551097 (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/ap-impact-us-health-care-unprepared-ebola-26551097)
If don't want to read the whole report just the first and last will sum it up. Particularly about how many health care workers will abandon their own jobs if faced with working with Ebola patients.
Ebola is not that hard to stop in a 1st world setting, but it is damn horrific. You have to handle an infected person with significant symptoms or handle their ejected body fluids. It does not go airborne and just handling a surface that a person with not visible symptoms has never been shown to transmit.
Uganda is the model for this. 40 years ago they had an outbreak and lost 400+ people. 30 years ago they lost ~200, 20 years ago they lost 20=30 and 10 years ago the had an outbreak and contained it to the first 4 cases. We know how to contain it but you do have to do the hard work to protect and to decon everything.
Our problem will be that everyone is multitasking and in a hurry. One oops is all it takes.
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Of COURSE the health system is unprepared for Ebola. It has NEVER appeared anywhere except West Africa before, because every other out break has been tightly contained.
It doesn't have to be "Ebola", the health care system is unprepared for any really deadly virus. Ebola just happens to be the current concern.
The NIH has a whole department that is tasked with making sure we were prepared and they've fallen flat on their face. What say Dr. Lurie?
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And then we need to deal with stupid people, and I don't mean the politicians >:(
The nurse in Maine, Miss Hickox, who has been exposed through her work and was still allowed back into our nation before proven safe is thumbing her nose at all of us and potentially putting us at risk. Even though she has been ordered to stay in quarantine she refuses, because she is apparently smart enough to just know whether she is a danger or not.
Our President does not want to over react and cause undue hardship and financial woes by imposing quarantines, travel restrictions, and other safeguards. Miss Hickox is taking advantage of this, and daring the government to stop her from possibly exposing others to this disease. I wonder what opinion she has on having unprotected sex with someone who has been exposed to HIV but is not showing symptoms. Maybe she would like to get her next vaccination with the same needle as someone else who did not appear to be sick.
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Being a liberal Kaci Hickox of course is an idiot, what she does not realize is that the States have (at least in the East) have had regulations and precedent for dealing with a-holes like her for 100 years or more.
In fact, NH dug theirs out and dusted them off this week in response to her stupidity.
What happens is the State issues a "health warrant", basically it is an arrest warrant for being sick, issued by a Dr. Once that is issued the cops come and haul off little miss Typhoid Mary and keep her as long as needed.
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Being a liberal Kaci Hickox of course is an idiot, what she does not realize is that the States have (at least in the East) have had regulations and precedent for dealing with a-holes like her for 100 years or more.
In fact, NH dug theirs out and dusted them off this week in response to her stupidity.
What happens is the State issues a "health warrant", basically it is an arrest warrant for being sick, issued by a Dr. Once that is issued the cops come and haul off little miss Typhoid Mary and keep her as long as needed.
And the Supreme Court has supported these decisions by the states!
Lock her up...
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And the Supreme Court has supported these decisions by the states!
Lock her up...
That's what they did when Typhoid Mary would not stop working in restaurants .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary
The New York City Health Department finally sent Dr. Sara Josephine Baker to talk to Mallon. Baker stated "by that time she was convinced that the law was only persecuting her when she had done nothing wrong." A few days later, Baker arrived at Mallon's workplace with several police officers, who took her into custody.[citation needed]
Mary attracted so much media attention that in a 1908 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association she was called "typhoid Mary". Later, in a textbook that defined typhoid fever, she was called "Typhoid Mary" with a capital "T".[8]
Mallon admitted poor hygiene, saying she did not understand the purpose of hand-washing because she did not pose a risk. In prison, she was forced to give stool and urine samples. Doctors found a major infection of typhoid bacteria in her gallbladder. Authorities suggested removing her gallbladder, but she refused as she did not believe she carried the disease. She was also unwilling to cease working as a cook.[5]
The New York City Health Inspector determined her to be a carrier. Under sections 1169 and 1170 of the Greater New York Charter, Mallon was held in isolation for three years at a clinic located on North Brother Island.[5]
Eventually, Dr. Eugene H. Porter, the New York State Commissioner of Health, decided that disease carriers should no longer be kept in isolation and that Mallon could be freed if she agreed to stop working as a cook and take reasonable steps to prevent transmitting typhoid to others. On February 19, 1910, Mallon agreed that she "[was] prepared to change her occupation (that of a cook), and would give assurance by affidavit that she would upon her release take such hygienic precautions as would protect those with whom she came in contact, from infection". She was released from quarantine and returned to the mainland.[10]
Release, name-change and second quarantine (1915–1938)
Upon her release, Mallon was given a job as a laundress, which paid less than cooking. She soon changed her name to "Mary Brown", and returned to her old occupation. For the next five years, she worked in a number of kitchens; wherever she worked, there were outbreaks of typhoid. However, she changed jobs frequently, and Soper was unable to find her.[5]
In 1915, Mallon started another major outbreak, this time at Sloane Hospital for Women in New York City. Twenty-five people were infected and two died. She again left, but the police were able to find and arrest her when she brought food to a friend on Long Island.[5][10]
After arresting her, public health authorities returned her to quarantine on North Brother Island on March 27, 1915. She was still unwilling to have her gallbladder removed.[10] Mallon remained confined for the remainder of her life. She became a minor celebrity, and was occasionally interviewed by the media. They were told not to accept even water from her.[5] Later, she was allowed to work as a technician in the island's laboratory, washing bottles.[6]
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Great bit of history! Folks have forgotten how seriously people feared infectious diseases in the past because of the break through of vaccine creations that happened in the 1950-60's. Now the idiots are afraid of the vaccines because they are not 100% safe.
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It illustrates the "wussification" of society.
Nothing is 100% safe.