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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: ExurbanKevin on October 22, 2014, 11:45:17 AM
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No word on whether this is a jihadi attack or not (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10/22/soldier-shot-at-war-memorial-near-canadian-parliament/), but there are three shooters reported, including one in a shopping mall. One gunman is dead, and unfortunately, so is the soldier who dropped him, a reservist from The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada who was guarding the Tomb Of The Unknown Soldier.
There are three possible responses to a dispersed threat:
The status quo.
The increased centralized control and surveillance of the country as a whole and increased militarization of security forces, which hopefully results in suspects getting caught before they attack and a more robust response if they do attack.
Or an empowered and aware populace that can be their own first responders, if, God forbid, they need to respond to an attack.
Me, I know which one I prefer, as it works every time.
I'm afraid, however, that my native country of Canada will chose the second option, and that's a shame, because it won't help and will only lead to more attacks and less freedom.
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CBC is now saying it's one shooter who is now dead, and the person who stopped him is the Sergeant of Arms of the House. Only two locations involved, the Tomb Of The Unknown Soldier and the House Of Parliament.
Carry your guns, people.
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Horrible news. Glad to hear they got one of the bad guys. Prayers sent to the soldiers family and to everyone up there.
Stay alert.
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Hi;
Canada is a very close family member and friend...They got our people out of Tehran in the hostage situation....They are at this situation because they do not allow the people to carry arms as here in America.
They are a product of "Target rich enviroment"....
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It appears now that there was only one shooter .
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How could this possibly happen? Doesn't Canada have strict, socialist, liberal gun laws that are "strictly enforced"??
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Hi;
Canada is a very close family member and friend...They got our people out of Tehran in the hostage situation....They are at this situation because they do not allow the people to carry arms as here in America.
They are a product of "Target rich enviroment"....
This is not the only issue. We are not as safe in the United States as we were at one time.
There was an era when Americans exercised their Rights, and we were prepared to protect our selves, our neighbors, and our nation. Today we are overrun by many who believe our Right actually belongs in the hands of governmental representatives only; we have many who are too cowardly to stand up for what they believe or what is needed of them; and we have many mall ninjas who claim to exercise their Rights, but they never train, practice or prepare for actual action.
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It appears now that there was only one shooter .
I believe this is a bad thing. When it is a single actor they are hard to spot in advance as they prepare and begin to implement, and it is easy to explain away as a fringe extremist. If it were a group, even a small group, they would be easier to spot as they prepare and act; and a group would solidify the fact that this is an organized effort lead by a head somewhere.
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Since it is raining, foggy, and I'm lazy, I'm watching the news and dreaming about work. At this time I have on the news and just saw something comforting:
During a story about the shooting in Ottowa they showed the man who killed the killer. Sorry, but I'm doing more internet surfing and reading than watching. At the end of the segment the reporter asked the expert, I believe his name was Charles Stone (not sure on last name), if in these cases the good guy should focus on not shooting to kill so we would have a way to extract information when they live. His response was perfect! He stated that in times like this there is not time to consider this, and that we shoot until they are down, and we are shooting to stop the threat.
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Having been born and raised in western Canada, I still keep up with the day-to-day events there, and there's a few encouraging things I'm seeing about this tragedy:
- No one, not even the NDP (think Elizabeth Warren Democrats) are calling for more gun control.
- There has been a number of influential, albeit conservative, columnists who are saying the best way to get through this sort of thing is to adapt, i.e. add more power to the citizenry.
- Between the illegal search and seizure of guns in the flooded areas of Alberta and a number of high-level scandals, the RCMP has taken some big hits over the last few years. Nice to see that despite all that, they still can get their man.
During WWII, the Canadian government issued Winchester 94's to citizens who were worried about defending the Pacific coast from invasion (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/09/04/winchester-94-wwii/). Maybe, just maybe, the Conservatives in power will be smart enough to realize that power in the hands of the people is not something to be feared, but desired.
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How could this possibly happen? Doesn't Canada have strict, socialist, liberal gun laws that are "strictly enforced"??
That's the first thing I thought.