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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Bic on January 05, 2015, 07:33:50 PM
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tonight - anyone see it?
Anyone see any point in it at all? ???
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Marshal and I have new series stuff in the hopper...keep your fingers crossed...
Michael B
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I did not see it, but a few of the new shows on the Sportsman Channel come across to me as starting off very well, and about ten minutes in they go mall ninja or drunken "Hey Bubba, watch this." They have a few good things over there, but the producers are doing their job between High School classes or while drinking and writing notes on bar napkins.
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Don't knock it M58, As I recall one of MB's most interesting ideas started out on a bar napkin.
Ever read "Over the Edge" ? ;D
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I'm sure most get what I'm saying, but for those who don't I am calling them a bunch of frat boys who's biggest accomplishment is getting down a 12 pack before puking it up ... and they are trying to repeat it.
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... or drunken "Hey Bubba, watch this."
I resent that. That is not how we do it. The correct phrase is, "Hey Bubba! Hold my beer. What could go wrong?"
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I resent that. That is not how we do it. The correct phrase is, "Hey Bubba! Hold my beer. What could go wrong?"
You tell him, Alf.
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If I had a nickel for every time someone said "hold my beer and watch this" I'd be a rich man. I may have said a few times myself.
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Just watched a show tonight off the DVR. Showed Colt's making ARs and was heaping praise on the company.
(maybe they haven't heard of the companies financial mis-management over DECADES)
Nothing special IMHO.
It's another gun show on TV but...meh.
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Heck Mitch, the only reason Colt EVER showed a profit was because at certain points they got money thrown at them faster than it could be mismanaged.
Colt's had management problems ever since the days when Sam was selling fake gold bars an patent medicine.
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Here's what I thought was wrong with the show.
-I didn't learn a whole lot other than Colt is an old company, ARs must be their only product, and everyone has a lot of esprit-de-corps. At least the three people on camera said they did.
-I did not like the way the historican, Haynes, kept emphasizing that Colt invented the revolver. He may have been the first to put a revolving pistol into common production, but "revolvers" go much further back in history.
-And too much time was spent about the pistol history. The show was exclusively about AR production.
-Camera work was poor and many times out of focus. If you're going to show close ups of something, either the subject or the camera needs to be mounted on something, preferably both.
-Lighting was poorly done, if at all, other than a key light on the speaker.
-Only a couple of people were allowed to speak on camera. Contorno, Haynes and Reese. (Maybe another one or two management types. Obviously they didn't make an impression.) I'd love to hear from some of the workers on the line. Especially the proof tester. I think he had something to say.
-The show glossed over too much. It's like they spent all the time on barrel making and ran out of time to show anything else. (Then the barrel goes to final assembly and voila, we have a finished AR. Let's go to Maggie to sell us the different models.)
-The show allowed terms to be introduced without explaining them. What is "gun drilling" (or whatever the word was)?
-I'd liked to have seen more assembly explanation. I noticed a machine is used, probably for consistency, to screw the barrel onto the upper. But I also notice a lady in the back ground using a 18" long, hand wrench. They also drive the takedown pins in with a hammer. Are they that tough or do the fingers just get tired after 100+ assemblies in a day? I'd love to see their tricks and tools for putting in the forward takedown pin detent. And do they use a machine for the gas tube drift pin in the gas block? Heck we don't even know if they use piston or DI? And absolutely nothing about the bolt or BCG. In one of the few pictures of the BCG someone was spreading some gunk on it. Special super secret lube?
-Maggie at the range was nice, though I'd like to see some groupings or "results" of her shooting, maybe even some competition footage to establish cred would have been nice. I know she's a "name" in 3G, call me doubting Thomas. Not all viewers follow three gun.
(Side note: I disagree with her premise that since her arms are puny she need a light weight gun. I think a medium weight gun would help her with recoil. And a personal nit. I see the pros do it so I'm in the minority, but I don't like using the magazine as a gun rest. Whenever there's a malfunction one of the first things people will suspect is the magazine. On the plus side, it isn't going to fall out if you're resting the gun on it.)
-But perhaps the biggest problem with this show is the disemboweled host. One of the strong attractions to SG and SUSA are the hosts. Michael and Jim provide a comforting character with which the audience channels through. As Michael or Jim tour a facility they're really, the audience. It becomes like you're actually there. In this show, the camera was there and we were being lectured about the facility. Hosts also provide continuity not only through a show, but from show to show. They're the glue, no, the gunk, no, the mucilage, ah wait, the BINDER that holds the segments, the pigments so to speak, of the show together.
And that's what I have to say about that.
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And a personal nit. I see the pros do it so I'm in the minority, but I don't like using the magazine as a gun rest.
I do it all the time (well only for the last 11 yrs) unless I'm using a rest, 10 or 20rd mags or shooting off my truck hood. Sometimes its unavoidable.
Any decent AR/mag/mag catch combo should have no problem with it.
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Watch the newest episode with Ayoob. Really, really, really enjoyed having him host the two segments.
I really, really, really, really, like the way he thinks. Always have. I skipped through the silencer segment.
Nits again:
- Most notable again is the lack of a host. Makes me feel kinda disconnected. As much as i enjoy Ayoob it would have been nice to have a host toss the questions and fill in some of the other facts.
- The GSSF segment was great, except they should have had some B-roll of actual matches in progress. And instead of a master shooter like Mike demoing the stages, maybe an ordinary competitor would have connected better with the audience. Missing also was a real GSSF staffer, like Alan Ramsey or Melanie Maness or one of the match coordinators to explain a little more about GSSF and the difference between Indoor League and outdoor Matches.
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I thought I recognized the voice-over/semi-host guy..... Rich Wyatt.......the guy that had the show on Discovery (I think) American Guns.
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Nits again:
- Most notable again is the lack of a host. Makes me feel kinda disconnected.
I thought I recognized the voice-over/semi-host guy..... Rich Wyatt.......the guy that had the show American Guns.
Well I've been watching the show for a little while now and I think what was bugging Alf: the "Host" or lack thereof, is the same thing that bugged a lot of folks about American Guns...RICH WYATT. Even when he's talking about something that I find interesting, he sucks. The guy has the appeal and dynamic personality of your average Pet Rock.
The show's disjointed editing, one minute on this, 43 seconds on that, cut to another 'almost a segment' about something else, then back to the first topic - all bookended by yet another slow-mo of something getting shot: pumpkin, champagne bottle, plastic jug of water... Just. Freaking. STOP! and give me a stream of information that lasts longer than a minute. Honest, I can handle it. I'm not a damn raccoon that needs a new 'shiny' dangled in front of it every 45 seconds.
If you have really bad A.D.D., this is your show. You will never be bored because they just can't seem to have a segment about...anything!
It's cut to ribbons then dumped in a blender and poured out in a bad TV show.
My DVR has been a godsend of FastForward through the garbage parts but it has more space on it now!
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I finally found it and watched last week, and like kmitch said, the flow is horrible. There is promise of something good in there, but it is so chopped up and disjointed even they can't find it. Second is the audio. I don't know if they run the sound levels up and down, or they really do have long silent periods - For me they aren't really silent, because it sounds like they have done a poor job of erasing the tape and it still squeaks and squeals like a whining kid.
I may try and sit through it one more time, if I accidentally come across it, but it is not on the intentional radar.
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I stopped recording it.