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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: jaybet on August 07, 2008, 04:03:35 PM
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My SR9 came back this afternoon...LESS THAN A WEEK TURNAROUND!
I probably bitched more than anyone (probably?) about this whole thing but I have to admit that I was VERY excited when the UPS truck pulled up.
So I'm sitting at my desk with my new 2- piece trigger (I'm really NOT sure about that- sticks the middle of your finger when you prepare to fire)- I'm wearing my new cap that says "the Ruger SR9" and taking it apart. The only thing that looks different is the trigger itself, and in dry firing the trigger travel is much less than the old trigger. This could be good. AND they polished up my feed ramp. Looks like it had a real tuneup inside.
I'm hoping to get out to the range tonight and throw a couple of rounds through it.
Will report.
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Hope your range time is positive. It will be a good time for you and your SR9 to get to know each other again. Then maybe you can put this all behind you. Here is a early congrats ;)
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Out of ignorant curiosity, did Ruger give you a hat as well as a new magazine?
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Which color SR-9 did you get? I'm in California and I think it is near approval. I'm really liking the green and black one, but to avoid getting ribbed at the range, I'll probably go with the black/black.
Did you ever shoot it before the recall?
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Fuzdaddy! What kind of political gunnectness is that? Your gun, your choice. Besides, since I seem to dress in green and tan mostly, my green carry guns (3 of'em) are almost invisible, even open carry mode in green Fobus holsters. The guys at the range will be going green before you know it. Lead the way!
Mac.
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If you were next to me at the range, believe me I wouldn't be ribbing you about the green, I'd be asking you if I could see how it fits in my greedy little hands ;D. All kidding aside. I agree with DDMack. Your gun your choice. Fuzdaddy.
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You guys are right. Green it is. The only other consideration would be that the wife would never notice another black gun in the safe. I can however probably get both if "one is for her."
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Forest guns
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj211/DMACK_2008/gardenGuns.jpg)
Mean Green.
Mac.
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Great news Jaybeth. I look forward to the range report.
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Hey Mac - As green as those guns are, I don't think that Al Gore would approve. I really like those, but I don't think that they're sold the Socialist Republik of Kalifornia. They may soon allow me to have a green SR9 with a neutered magazine.
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To answer all the questions, mine is black with the stainless slide. Nice looking. and yes, I fired it before the recall, and that's why I'm so anxious to take it back to the range. AND why I didn't get to do it last night. Oh, and yes, they sent me a magazine AND a hat.
Prior to the recall I liked the pistol, but the trigger had a pretty long pull. It was a little gritty at first but that went away, but the trigger pull was long and the break wasn't too clean, in my opinion. The other strange thing (which we all talked about before) was that every other round my wife fired it would stovepipe. It didn't happen to me, and we couldn't figure out why it only happened to her. She changed grip, etc.
Dry firing it, the trigger travel is much less and it seems to break a lot cleaner so it could be good. The angle of the trigger is more forward than a Glock and the middle section sticks out a little further. What that means is when you put your finger tip on the trigger, the end of the center piece of the trigger is poking almost straight into your finger tip. I'm not sure that's going to fly for me.
So...the wife couldn't get out of a committment last night, so I waited to go to the range- looks like saturday morning now. I just am REALLY curious whether she still has the same problem because I like to rotate pistols for the house gun, and if it's going to screw up, it's outta here.
I WILL report, and hopefully photograph.
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Range Report.
So I finally got to pack up my SR9 and head out to the range. I also packed up my wife and one of her .357s to keep her happy, and off we went.
First things first...the 10 round mags I am forced to use in NJ CANNOT be loaded without the magazine loader. They are that stiff. But, we shall persevere.
We put 170 rounds through the retrofitted SR9. Accuracy was shaky at first, because I believe the trigger change takes some getting used to. Eventually I got it sighted in and found it to be a reasonably accurate gun. At 12-15 yards I was chasing clays and parts of clays all over the berm.
First photo shows my grip. I don't have huge hands, but this is not a beefy pistol. You'll notice the angle of the trigger.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll237/jaybethel/HandSR9.jpg)
The second photo is same, but closeup. It's pretty hard to get your finger to the trigger without getting poked in the middle of your finger pad with the tip of the middle trigger.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll237/jaybethel/TriggerSR9.jpg)
However, the trigger travels less distance than the previous trigger and seems much tighter with no grit and it's been awhile since I fired it but I think the trigger recovers quicker as well. I'm guessing the pull to be about 5 pounds.
Muzzle flip isn't bad, although I had more trouble staying on target side-to-side. The trigger is wider and strange to me, and I think that I had adjusted to some of that by the time we were done.
Past history, my wife would get a stovepipe every other shot. So she stepped up and fired off about 30 rounds with no problem. In the middle of the next mag she had one stovepipe. Racking the slide ejected the offending casing and the next loose cartrige, and she finished that mag and another again without incident. MUCH MUCH MUCHO MUCHO better. For you nudges, here's a photo of the stovepipe.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll237/jaybethel/Stovepipe.jpg)
My wife loves the gun now that it doesn't misfire all the time, saying it's her favorite autoloader of mine (she's a revolver girl or as I like to say, "A spinner". ;D I didn't say that...did I?)
So overall, the pistol is much improved in the way it cycles and in the operation of the trigger...especially if you are accustomed to the two piece trigger. Me myself is going to take awhile to get used to it, but as much as I was bitching, I think the SR9 is a keeper, and even with the funny trigger I can already shoot it as accurately as my SigPro. (that's not saying much, but it IS a comparison)
And, as is customary, I let Osama weigh in on the capability of the refurbished weapon.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll237/jaybethel/Osama.jpg)
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Thanks for the update. Don't like the looks of that trigger. Will have to wait to check one out.
Richard
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On the Podcast MB was saying it has ALWAYS been a 2 piece trigger but before the middle piece was hidden inside.
Don't give Jay any grief about having his finger on the trigger as he mentions that he was demonstrating the reach.
Was your wife "limp wristing" The pistol ?
A friend of mine has a Millennium Pro, When he first got it you could not load mags without a tool, but as he used them they loosened up so now he does not need the tool any more.
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Congrats jaybethel! Finally, your dancing with the SR9 again. Glad its not a "paperweight anymore".
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/dancing.gif)
I couldn't help it, I got happy feet and hands when I got my Sig back from the mothership too.
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Nice hairdoo!
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This weekend I was shooting with a few friends one of which had a SR9 and just got it back and I must say I am glad I traded my pre-recall fixed SR9 in on my G21C. The one piece trigger I loved is now gone and like the OP stated it is a bit akward and to far forward.
Although even when one handing my SR9 and running 17 rounds through it just for shits and giggles I never had one stovepipe.
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I tried that...the dealer wouldn't take the SR9 until it had been retrofitted.
I'll shoot it for awhile and see- I'm going to see if I settle in with the trigger or not.
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With that Glock-like trigger.. I would think it would do better.. ::)
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just got my gun back from ruger... the trigger is alot heaver... but alot shorter and crisper pull. its not exactly a glock trigger, its a little wider and the secondary trigger doesnt act the same as a glock... its more horizontal than the glock trigger. the mag release seems to be a bit easier to hit and doesnt stick like it did before. i plan on taking it to the range over the weekend to test how well it does under pressure.. i will report back after words
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i plan on taking it to the range over the weekend to test how well it does under pressure.. i will report back after words
Run it hard! It's a Ruger; after all the recall hoopla, I would love to read a favorable post.
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Great range report, Jay.
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I'm aggravated with Ruger. I requested a box to mail my SR9 to them in early June and they told me it would be at my house at the end of the month. I still haven't gotten it, so I called them today and they said they were just now getting to the requests from the month of April...good gracious! Maybe I'm just impatient... :-\
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I'm aggravated with Ruger. I requested a box to mail my SR9 to them in early June and they told me it would be at my house at the end of the month. I still haven't gotten it, so I called them today and they said they were just now getting to the requests from the month of April...good gracious! Maybe I'm just impatient... :-\
Go back and read Jay Bethals posts ;D
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I'm aggravated with Ruger. I requested a box to mail my SR9 to them in early June and they told me it would be at my house at the end of the month. I still haven't gotten it, so I called them today and they said they were just now getting to the requests from the month of April...good gracious! Maybe I'm just impatient... :-\
They'll come around. I signed up the first day it was posted on DownRange.TV and just got my box last week. It was returned yesterday. Not bad once you get it. Hope your trigger pull is a whole lot less than the pull I now have.
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I read your report...10 lb. triggers are horrendous. I'll say a little prayer that mine doesn't turn out that way!
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Mine didn't seem like 10 lbs. but then I really didn't measure it. I'll have to look into that. The trigger feels so weird anyway that it could be 10 lbs. I'll have to look into checking it.
Maybe that explains the extra trouble I was having staying on target side to side.
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I got mine back from ruger thursday..ran a hundred rounds through it today without a flaw..
i had gotten the old trigger smoothed out nice and i hated to send it back..
but the first time i pulled the trigger today with it loaded, it went off before i expected it
to..i was surprised..it is really a good trigger..i have no idea what the weight is but it
is as smooth as any i own.. it is really fun to shoot...i shot a couple of 17 round mags as fast s i could pull the trigger
and it never failed..i am really satisfied..also bought an l c p at a gun show this morning..and it
performed perfectly also..i'll save those comments for an l c p thread.. i hope your sr9 issues turn out
as well as mine did
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I had the SR9 out again this weekend, shooting it along with a few other pistols. I'm still not sold on it, but I'm so confused I'm going to just sit on it for awhile. I LIKE the pistol...it feels good, and now it operates really without a hitch. But I'm NOT sold on the trigger and I can't shoot it as accurately as I could prior to the retrofit. The trigger is stiff, but it's a short travel and quick recovery, but the trigger just feels very strange to me.
Plus I'm still pissed at Ruger over the whole thing and the long wait. It's not the gun I bought...it has changed quite a bit.
I've actually been thinking of getting rid of it to buy something else, but for what I'd get on a trade in I'm probably better off just keeping it.
Like I said, I'm going to take my time...maybe it'll grow on me or I'll get used to the trigger. The gun works fine and is reliable...as long as I'm not shooting at something 25 yards away, I think it's ok, but it certainly isn't a target pistol, and it's less accurate than it was before the new trigger.
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Folks should wait till they have 500 or so rounds through the SR9, see if that doesn't improve the trigger, also see what can be accomplished with a trigger job. It wasn't that long ago that if you bought a 1911 the first thing you did was send it out for a tune up.
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I had the SR9 out again this weekend, shooting it along with a few other pistols. I'm still not sold on it, but I'm so confused I'm going to just sit on it for awhile. I LIKE the pistol...it feels good, and now it operates really without a hitch. But I'm NOT sold on the trigger and I can't shoot it as accurately as I could prior to the retrofit. The trigger is stiff, but it's a short travel and quick recovery, but the trigger just feels very strange to me.
Plus I'm still pissed at Ruger over the whole thing and the long wait. It's not the gun I bought...it has changed quite a bit.
I've actually been thinking of getting rid of it to buy something else, but for what I'd get on a trade in I'm probably better off just keeping it.
Like I said, I'm going to take my time...maybe it'll grow on me or I'll get used to the trigger. The gun works fine and is reliable...as long as I'm not shooting at something 25 yards away, I think it's ok, but it certainly isn't a target pistol, and it's less accurate than it was before the new trigger.
That is a very legitimate complaint.... I think that if you want to get rid of it, then you should take it up directly with Ruger...... if their customer service is really what everyone says it is, they should give you a full refund and one hell of an apology.
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I agree with you to some extent tomobogan...a break-in is essential, and I have never owned a gun with that type of trigger. That's why I'm taking my time.
But like ericire says, Ruger SHOULD be pretty accomodating with big whiners like me, but it's probably just too costly. You'd think after what Ruger put SR9 owners through to get the retrofit that you wouldn't have to send it right off and spend the money to get a trigger job.
I'f I'm sending it off and spending more money on it, it's going to be sent to the display case at whatever dealer will take it in trade. At this point if it doesn't start growing on me and I have to spend more money on it, I might as well take my chances with something else that I want.
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Any idea what an refurbished SR9 in excellent condition will bring in a trade? I'm thinking that it is time to invest in an XD in .357 Sig...
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Right now Bud's Gun shop on the internet is selling SR9s for $398. I don't know if they're retrofitted or not, but I guess you can figure on getting no more than about $350 for it at best. Probably less.
So say I get $300 for my SR9 and I want an XD (old style- no NEW models for me!). So that's going to be about $520, so I get rid of my SR9 and spend $220 (plus tax here) and registration fees...I'm spending almost $300 to exchange the one gun for the other...
It's just been a lousy purchase, period.
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i have to agree, this gun is only slightly more reliable than a paper weight with the way it handles, as far as accuracy is concerned its nothing worse than it was but nothing better... the trigger pull is so heavy that it makes it useless as a defense pistol... a problem i have noticed is that the secondary trigger on it likes to over extended and cause the trigger to "jam" forward... the safety on it often times will click off but will not allow me to slide it back up without pulling the slide back and dropping the clip. i'm calling ruger about these issues tomorrow and see what they say about it
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I was finally able to get my modified SR9 out to the range today. Even with all of the negative reports I have been hearing I was still amazed at just how bad this new trigger is. I had to use a fish scale to measure trigger pull and mine was running around eleven pounds. I put about a hundred rounds through it and my finger is sore. I was throwing rounds all over the place. I am so disappointed.
I think I'll sell mine outright rather than try to trade it in. This episode has left a bitter taste in my mouth for Ruger products. Well, that's not entirely true - I still love my 10/22,
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I love their revolvers and .22's, but their center fire semi auto's suck. I don't know about their rifles or shotguns,except that their composite stock on the model 77 is the ugliest in the gun stores.
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After reading all the post from the various SR-9 subjects, I would never send a pre recall pistol back for the "upgrade". I submitted a post about this before, and no one can give a difinitive answer. Why was the recall necessary? Here's a hot flash, ALL pistols and revolvers MIGHT discharge when dropped with the safety off. Some WILL discharge when dropped, GUARENTEED. Don't drop them. Does anyone remember the Colt 2000? That was supposed to save Colt. If Ruger execs want to do what's right, They'll offer to put the old parts back in if you sign a waver, releasing Ruger from any and all liabilities related to the SR-9. As it is now, SR-9 production is dead. Dealers aren't going to be able to give these pistols away with the shiity trigger rep. What you wanna bet you start seeing the pre recall pistols at gun shows for more than the new pistols are selling for.
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I was debating about buying a Ruger SR9, but after reading a lot of the posts on here, I think I will pass. Instead I might pick up a Glock 17 or 22. Thanks for an informative review.
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So I wonder what Ruger thinks now that pretty much every gun forum has 2-3 SR9 threads right on top.
The more I read the better feel for trading mine off when I did heck I even got rid of my LCP the only Ruger I now own and ever will own is my trusty 10/22.
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Yeah, I think they really shot themselves in the foot on this one. Sorry, that just had to come out. ::)
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So I wonder what Ruger thinks now that pretty much every gun forum has 2-3 SR9 threads right on top.
The more I read the better feel for trading mine off when I did heck I even got rid of my LCP the only Ruger I now own and ever will own is my trusty 10/22.
Hey now, I wouldn't totally trash Ruger because they do make fine revolvers. I won't trade my Redhawk and Blackhawks away for anything. For some reason they just have never made great semi-auto pistols.
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Hey now, I wouldn't totally trash Ruger because they do make fine revolvers. I won't trade my Redhawk and Blackhawks away for anything. For some reason they just have never made great semi-auto pistols.
After owning a 10/22 and knowing people that own other Ruger products I know some of there stuff is good. But to buy two guns have problems with both leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth and a lighter wallet. I had my LCP for two days and it was crap so I sent it in and went without it for over a month while my LCP was away I then find out about the SR9 recall which was the cherry on the Ruger sundae.
I just think maybe they should have kept the money they spent on "neat" hats and just built a better SR9.
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I just got a flyer for a Metcalf gunshow in Tulsa. They are advertising a "New Ruger 9mm" for $309. When, I acquired mine, it was marked $475. Looks like it depreciated rather quickly. So much fo r a good investment!
:-[ >:(
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I shot my buddies SR9 and you couldn't chase me fast enough to give it to me, worst trigger ever long and about 10 lbs. I think it will be up for sale when he gets over the shock. sorry :'( :-X
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Whats really sad is when my PX4 used in double action has a softer trigger pull than a retrofitted SR9.
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Being the guy who raised the most hell about my SR9 I have to be fair...after some 'voice of reason" from MB I am diligent in trying to make this gun work for me. Since I got it back and raised a stink, I have hours and hours of dry firing, over 700 rounds at the range, I've been working the striker spring back as far as it will go...all with a lot of gun oil- basically trying to use the heck out of it and loosen it up. With the ammo it's still costing me a lot of money just trying to get good shots, but I said I'd try.
I have found that I have improved my shot placement to where they are all near target within reason, but it's still really difficult to shoot with any consistency compared to my other pistols. My Sig Pro2022 in 9mm is not known for accuracy, but I can't group shots with the SR9 like the Sig.
So....improvement, but not what I'd call great, or even good. AND it takes GREAT concentration to do just average shooting...any slip up, anything at all, and you can't find the bullet hole.
I'm going to keep at it, but I still wouldn't recommend the gun to anyone unless they're just looking for a point blank shot defensive use.color] :-\
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Thanks for the report Jaybeth, no one can say you're not trying!
Maybe with all of this 'extra' concentration your shooting with other guns will improve too (trying to find a bright side for ya).
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I don't know...it kinda makes my head hurt when I concentrate. Plus my other 9s are pissed..."How come HE gets all the ammo?"
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I don't know...it kinda makes my head hurt when I concentrate. Plus my other 9s are pissed..."How come HE gets all the ammo?"
Well, you are just an old guitar player so thinking is probably not your forte'. ;D
As to the other, tell them he's hurt and needs the physical therapy! ;)
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Jay, the other 9s know "one" when they see "one".
Mac.
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TIME'S UP! Last SR9 report outta me...
It was suggested to me that I really try to get tight with my retrofitted SR9. I have done that for about a month, with working on break in, dry firing, and blowing all of my ammo allowance on the effort.
Tonight I went out and put 50 more rounds through the SR9 to just look at the targets and think. I have actually gotten to where I can shoot it reasonably well if I concentrate hard- about as well as I can shoot my wife's revolvers (which I rarely shoot). Having said that, it took a ridiculous amount of dry firing, whacking away at the springs, whatever, and about a case of ammo this past month to get to this point.
Bottom line is, if it felt this way in the store I probably wouldn't have bought it. The trigger now is crisp (breaks well) and hard (too hard), and it's very easy to pull off laterally. I can't tell if all my break in efforts have changed the trigger a little or if I've just gotten a little more accustomed to the thing because I'm shooting nothing else. My bottom line is that I don't like the trigger.
Having said that, I think a part of it is that it's not comfortable for me, and that doesn't necessarily mean that it's a POS or defective- just not comfortable to me. I guess what I"m trying to say is, I still don't like the way it shoots, but I can NOT say that it's all because of the gun or that the gun is defective- it just doesn't work for me.
I still think my initial criticisms of Ruger were valid. They completely changed the feel of the gun after a lot of people owned them, and yes they were on top of the recall after a four month engineering delay, but then were basically not too responsive beyond saying, "Hey we'll let you send it back and we'll look at it some more". Oh, and also saying, "Geez what's all that nasty SR9 noise on the forums..?"
I've seen a couple of folks post that they love the new trigger- God Bless Ya and good luck- I am truly happy to see someone find true love. Also a warm and fuzzy article here on the website talking about the greatly improved trigger. (N/C)
So...it looks good, feels good in the hand, the slide is a little hard to handle being so low, and the trigger is just not for me, resulting in accuracy (for me) that is so-so at best. So, folks, if you buy something without firing one once, shame on you. OR if you buy something that hasn't been out long enough to work out the bugs, shame on ya' again. That's uncle Jay's lesson for tonight.
At least it LOOKS good next to the Sig on the rack.
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Jay-
Are you going to take Bane up on his offer?
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I'm leaniing that way
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I'm leaniing that way
...And I'm a pretty big feller....where I lean I usually fall.
Let me be less cryptic ericiri12... Yes, I will take him up on his offer. You can use polish, lipstick, whatever, I personally am done with the thing and I'll take his generous offer out, even though I still don't think it was offered by the right party.
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It still makes me wonder what I would have thought had I looked at my SR9 after it was retrofitted and never knew what it felt like before. I was pretty dead set on a Ruger handgun since I had all Ruger rifles so maybe I would have accepted the hard trigger pull?
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...And I'm a pretty big feller....where I lean I usually fall.
Let me be less cryptic ericiri12... Yes, I will take him up on his offer. You can use polish, lipstick, whatever, I personally am done with the thing and I'll take his generous offer out, even though I still don't think it was offered by the right party.
Jaybeth,
What was the gun he offered? Link to the post?
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Jaybeth,
What was the gun he offered? Link to the post?
I'm not sure this will work... http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3280.msg38202#msg38202
Is that it?
MB... what a guy!
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S&W M&P! SWEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!
More reviews and porn! ;D
(http://www.mazeguy.net/musical/note.gif) I'm gonna have to face it, I'm addicted to porn (http://www.mazeguy.net/musical/note.gif)
(of the gun variety). ;)
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I'm leaniing that way
You will have to give us a full report (with pics) and a compare and contrast....... You lucky dog, you are going to own a gun from one of those famous Hollywood fellers.
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And so the story continues.
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You will have to give us a full report (with pics) and a compare and contrast....... You lucky dog, you are going to own a gun from one of those famous Hollywood fellers.
(http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/groan.gif)....I think I am going to be sick.. ;D
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Sick about the report or sick about the Hollywood thing? I WON'T forget my roots and all the little folks who have helped me on the way up.
New Avatar...nice a**.
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Colorado is kinda close to Hollyweird and he is on T V. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Update: The new G&A Magazine this month has an article on the SR9 trigger "Upgrade".
They say that "Ruger will upgrade your first production SR9 for free. And not just upgrade it, but send it back with an extra magazine..... Once you notify Ruger that you have one, and you want it upgraded (and who wouldnt?), it will send you a shipping box....... When it returns, it has all the upgraded parts installed and an extra free magazine as well." - Parenthetical notes are theirs from the article.
They swoon and swoon over the new trigger, calling it "clean, crisp, with less over travel". They say it has a "shorter and easier to reach length and an improved feel". The author even says "my groups are smaller, no doubt due to the improved trigger pull".
It was interesting that in the entire two page article, they never once mentioned the world "recall", but rather repeatedly referred to it as a "free of charge upgrade". They even say that "testing by customers told Ruger that there were a few things on the SR9 that needed changing".
Exit Question: Whats wrong with this article? :-\
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A paid point of reveiw? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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What recall?
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If I had know it was an "upgrade" and what that "upgrade" entailed I would not have sent mine in. Silly me, I thought it was a safety/liability issue. But I doubt they would have mentioned the twelve pound trigger pull.
And I would still have it and I would still like it.
But, I could not abide the new trigger so I no longer have it.
Such is life.
There's nothing to see here, people - Move along.
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I don't know that we can lay this at the feet of Ruger but it is bad reporting.
It was a SAFETY issue and should be reported that way. G&A knows the actual history and they compromised their integrity whether Ruger asked or not that is a deal killer for me as far as G&A.
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Got home from my double shift tonight to find a box with a S&W M&P 10 round mag in it.
AND I don't have any more doubles lined up so tomorrow after work is RANGE TRIP!!!!
I'll start taking pictures and we'll see how this puppy barks!
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As said on Box O' Truth....brown truck of happiness!
Give her a good work out!
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Got home from my double shift tonight to find a box with a S&W M&P 10 round mag in it.
AND I don't have any more doubles lined up so tomorrow after work is RANGE TRIP!!!!
I'll start taking pictures and we'll see how this puppy barks!
Jealous
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Just as an aside...I got my SR9 back from Ruger about a week ago. The trigger has a shorter pull and breaks (in my estimation) from 6-7 lbs! I'm glad that I've got it!
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Well, like I said a few posts back, I finally got the low cap mag for the M&P...do we really have to go from 17 rounds to 10? couldn't they get 12 or 14?
Anyway, some of you may recall my clever yet incessant bitching and whining about my SR9 when it came back from Ruger with the new trigger. MB offered to trade me his well broken-in M&P9 for the SR9. After about 1000 rounds of trying I couldn't make the SR9 fit and took him up on his gracious offer, and I AM HAPPY, as you can see in this photo.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll237/jaybethel/DSC03598.jpg)
Yes I finally got it out to the range and, although it wasn't as miraculous a difference as I thought, I much prefer the M&P, although they are very similar pistols in look and feel. I think the SR9 has a more sleek look to it and maybe feels a little better in the hand, but the operation of the M&P is more smooth with less recoil, and the trigger is very comfortable. I also think that the balance on the M&P is really great, maybe the best of any semi I've ever fired. Michael never told me about any work that might have been done on the gun, only that he went through Gunsite 250 with it and it performed flawlessly.
Here's the little puppy:
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll237/jaybethel/MBMP.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll237/jaybethel/MBMP2.jpg)
Now for the best part...I complained about the trigger on the SR9. Rightly or wrongly, it didn't work for me- felt stiff and very hard to pull. Here is the BEST target from my last day of firing the SR9- keep in mind I had fired about 1000 rounds through it over about a month.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll237/jaybethel/SR9Targ-1.jpg)
Now here a target showing the SECOND GROUP of five rounds EVER I fired from the M&P (that's rounds 6 through 10)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll237/jaybethel/MPtarg-1.jpg)
As you can see...instant control, I suppose from not having to yank on the damn trigger.
I rest my case.
I like the way this pistol feels, and again, it is really well balanced. With a longer barrel this thing would probably be incredibly accurate, although it's pretty good as it is. The target represents some intent shooting, but I could not concentrate ENOUGH to get a group like that with the SR9 after shooting all my ammo in it for a month. It simply did not work for me. I've seen other people post that they love the triggers, etc. and that's great, but after this I would take the M&P over the SR9 every time. But that's me.
Except for remembering the little squiggly wire thing in the breach it's a very easy breakdown and cleaning it is no problem.
Thanks Michael...I think I got the better end of the deal, but who knows.
That SR9 IS a looker though.
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Sniff, I love a happy ending. And as a former unhappy SR9 owner I am just a little jealous as well.
It's good to know that people of integrity like MB are still out there.
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That's your 'happy face'? Looks constipated to me! ;D
Seriously. I'm happy for ya dude and I have to give BIG kudos to MB. Real stand up guy!
Idea.....Give away of the 'bad' SR9. ;)
That will give us all an idea of how 'personal' guns are.
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Jaybeth,... Amen,.. I could think of some Jerry Garcia type Zen type Kharma thing, but I won't.... ;)
You went on a long trip with your SR-9, and MB (like the Godfather), made you a an offer you couldn't refuse,...
It looks like it worked out brilliantly, and as an M+P owner myself, it just felt and fired great (for me) right out of the box also. Kinda like your favorite guitar, you can always pick it up and go with it.
Live long and Prosper with your M+P.
Congrats.
Tom W.
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That's your 'happy face'? Looks constipated to me! ;D
Seriously. I'm happy for ya dude and I have to give BIG kudos to MB. Real stand up guy!
Idea.....Give away of the 'bad' SR9. ;)
That will give us all an idea of how 'personal' guns are.
I said I was happy, not pretty.
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Cool , Nice looking pistol. Nice group too ;D
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Nice group. I would be happy with the new pistol too.
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Update: The new G&A Magazine this month has an article on the SR9 trigger "Upgrade".
They say that "Ruger will upgrade your first production SR9 for free. And not just upgrade it, but send it back with an extra magazine..... Once you notify Ruger that you have one, and you want it upgraded (and who wouldnt?), it will send you a shipping box....... When it returns, it has all the upgraded parts installed and an extra free magazine as well." - Parenthetical notes are theirs from the article.
They swoon and swoon over the new trigger, calling it "clean, crisp, with less over travel". They say it has a "shorter and easier to reach length and an improved feel". The author even says "my groups are smaller, no doubt due to the improved trigger pull".
It was interesting that in the entire two page article, they never once mentioned the world "recall", but rather repeatedly referred to it as a "free of charge upgrade". They even say that "testing by customers told Ruger that there were a few things on the SR9 that needed changing".
Exit Question: Whats wrong with this article? :-\
Well, G&A finally posted this article online...... go check it out for yourself and see what you think.
http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/Triggernometry
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Read it.
Either on his own or with some prodding the author put a spin on the "upgrade" portion of the changes Ruger made to exclude the "Recall" part of the deal. That's really no worse than any other reporting we've seen lately is it? That's just Journalism 2008. Besides...he called them up and had them send him another one for comparison. Why didn't I think of that?
Ruger DID go ahead and fix a bunch of stuff on the gun that they thought needed improvement because, the author implies, they got a lot of feedback from 100,000 buyers. I was one of those and didn't know I was buying a beta test model, but, "Stupid is as stupid does". It's kinda like Bill Gates and his Vista, except to Ruger's credit they didn't stop manufacturing all their other pistols when the SR9 came out so you HAD to use it.
Ruger really did improve stuff on the pistol, and it's a good looking gun that feels good in the hand. I didn't like the trigger, which is a deal breaker. Call it what you will...
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Jay-
Maybe you should drop the guy a line and tell him about the "Ruger upgrade" (M&P) that you got! ;D
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Nah...tryin' to move on. It'll be easier when I can get a M&P hat.
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Here ya go Jay:
(http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/products/360001182_large.jpg)