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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Lucas on August 10, 2008, 02:13:06 AM
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Okay so here it is. I have or will have the following in my tactical setup: 9mm beretta px4, para super hawg, robinson xcr, remington 1187. My question to you is what would round this package out (for about $300-$600). Here is what I am thinking. A cheap AR or AK for practice, a nice medium to small frame .357 for nightstand, "another" remington 870 for accessories, and last but not least a Ruger Mark III for cheap thrills.
This is the short list, if you can believe that. I dont know, maybe a LCP, maybe a Glock! So many choices, so little time!
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How bout a Sig P-6? Love mine.
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The .357 is a good idea. I'm debating about the LCP myself. You may have a hardtime finding an AR for that price range, but it seams like the 7.62 ammo is cheaper than the 5.56 so getting an AK does have some merit.
I guess if you are thinking a pocket pistol I would go with the .357 because you can run .38's through it and you can use it as a bedside gun also.
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I like all of those ideas, but especially the idea of having a .22 in there. They make a trip to the range a little less expensive and a little more fun. If you live in a place that allows concealed carry, a more concealable duty gun is a good call.
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I like all of those ideas, but especially the idea of having a .22 in there. They make a trip to the range a little less expensive and a little more fun. If you live in a place that allows concealed carry, a more concealable duty gun is a good call.
+1 on the .22.
I picked up a good condition Ruger 10/22 at a local pawn shop, came with 2 Ruger magazines.
I took my son shooting the other day - he was here on his way to LA to see his aunt - and even though I had the Sig and an AR, he spent the whole time with the 10/22, had a ball with it, even hand loading the Ram-line 30-round magazine.
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I think every gun owner should own a .22 rifle and pistol. I like Rugers. The 10/22 has so many accessories for it you can make it into a sub-caliber tactical rifle or a target rifle or anything else you want. The Butler Creek folding stock and a soft-sided case makes it small enough to pack nearly anywhere. I actually have a pistol permit for mine because our stupid MI law says a rifle or shotgun under 30" is a pistol. ???
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I keep my Glock 27 .40 (my CCW gun) next to the bed at night.
I also keep a Kel-Tec sub-2000 in .40 S&W (uses Glock 22 mags that will also work in the Glock 27) folded up next to the bed.
The Kel-Tec is light, compact, and very (surprisingly) accurate.
I also have my Colt Commander .45 and a Winchester 1300 Defender (with 8-shot tube, loaded with 3 birdshot, 3 buckshot, and 2 slugs) where I can get to them pretty quickly.
To some it may sound like overkill for where I live (rural area), but just this past week there was a home invasion in my area.
Three armed men went into a home where six people were playing cards and hit them for over $4000.
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Get the Ruger.
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Instead of purchasing a "cheap" AR or AK, you should consider getting a 7.62 conversion kit for your XCR. From what I've seen, they are within your price range and using the same gun can do nothing but help if TSHTF. Sounds like you have a nightstand gun or two in there already, although you can always use just one more. ;D The .22 would also be a sound investment as ammo prices continue to climb. You can usually pick up a good one at pawn shops for relatively cheap, however. Hope I helped a little bit or atleast gave you something to think about. If you really can't decide... buy 'em all. Heck, how important are little things like food when there are guns at stake? ::)
Swoop
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I keep a S&W .357 by my bed.
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IMHO, based on your current list, your ready for a good wheel gun to add to the family.
There's plenty out there of all flavors for that price, a .22 is always a good choice also.
Decisions,...Decisions....
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I keep a PUMA 92 454 Casuall by my bed (along with my Redhawk 45 colt). ;D
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Go Glock or go home.
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And just what rifle does Glock make?
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And just what rifle does Glock make?
Hey Hazzz,
Haven't you ever seen that little dark one they make with the 4" barrel and the pistol grip?
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oh yeah! the "mini Block". ;D
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And just what rifle does Glock make?
(http://www.defensereview.com/stories/shotshow2008/SHOTShow2008_MagPulGlockSubgun_Open_1_2-01-2-08.jpg)
(http://www.mechtechsys.com/images/CCU%20M16%20stock%204%20(small).jpg)
(http://www.famous-guns.com/wp-content/uploads/glock-18-01.jpg)(http://www.stealthstudios.co.uk/catman/glock18_mp_01.jpg)
Mmmmmmm.... Tactical ;D
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The top one doesn't even exist and the rest aren't classified as rifles. :P
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The top one doesn't even exist and the rest aren't classified as rifles. :P
;D
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Real guns are made or metal. Toys are made of plastic. I have one of the M1911 Mech-Tech Carbine Conversion Units for my Para P14-45. It's like the one pictured with a Glock, but the 1911 CCU was the original. The one for a Glock was more of an afterthought, years later, like they may as well make that one too. And Glock still doesn't make a rifle as far as I know of.
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Real guns are made or metal. Toys are made of plastic. I have one of the M1911 Mech-Tech Carbine Conversion Units for my Para P14-45. It's like the one pictured with a Glock, but the 1911 CCU was the original. The one for a Glock was more of an afterthought, years later, like they may as well make that one too. And Glock still doesn't make a rifle as far as I know of.
One of the many things I have had to bitch about with the Glock company:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2105.0
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I wasn't serious about the real guns are metal comment, but I do like the looks of the Robar Not-A-Glock better. I don't know anyone using the alloy CCF Raceframe so I don't know how good it is. Alloy may or may not be better than plastic. I don't think it expands and contratcts as much with temperature changes. What I really want is an 18-shot Para USA 9x19mm re-chambered to 9x23mm, but would buy another brand if it was available. A little 3/8" mag extension would brig it up to 20 rounds, enough to stop a whole gang of bad guys. The 9x23mm has true .357 Magnum ballistics and is effective at longer ranges than most other pistol rounds. If Glock wanted to make something new they could try making the first double-column 9x23mm. That would give me an excuse to buy one.
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Jumbo, why not go with a Para in .38 Super?
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Jumbo, why not go with a Para in .38 Super?
Simple. The 9x23mm has 35-40% more muzzle energy than a .38 Super +P. I can get better performance out of .45 ACP +Ps than .38 Supers. I want something more powerful than a .45, not the same power with a small bullet.
Plus I'm prejudiced against semi-rimmed cases. No .38 Super or .220 Swift for me, thank you. They should either put a rim on a case or not, just make up their minds and not make it semi-rimmed. I see no advantage to them, only disadvantages.
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Big heavy bullets at moderate speed, will beat small bullets at high velocity all the time. Comparisons always seem to go, equal to or close to .45ACP or .357Mag velocity or power not the other way around.