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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: DDMac on August 11, 2008, 02:45:22 PM
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I just read on the NRA news page that the Atlanta Airport Authority has asked TSA to change current Federal regulations to ban the possession of all firearms by the public anywhere on the airport (all of'em) grounds. Parking areas, roadways, non-secure terminal areas included. To my reading of this somewhat vague article, if changed as requested, there would be no legal way to fly on a hunting trip, attend a shooting competition or check a firearm in your baggage for carry at your destination.
Am I overreacting, or has the Mayor of DC moved to Atlanta and gotten a job at the airport?
Mac.
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Intended or not, this would be one more way for the anti's to get a foot in the door. Will be interesting to see if they intended to stop checking them in baggage, but I'm sure the first we will get a clue on this is when the NRA approaches them on it. You can bet that even if a total ban on firearms was not intended that someone will jump on it to push it through.
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I think we need to change the capitol of Georgia to Chula........ ;)
There ain't any real Georgians left in Atlanta any more....... ;D
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It gets worse....
Judge rules: No guns in airport
GeorgiaCarry.org, Rep. Bearden had contended new law nullified ban.
By BILL RANKIN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/11/08
People with firearms licenses still can't take guns into non-secure areas of Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, a federal judge ruled Monday.
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U.S. District Court Judge Marvin Shoob refused to grant a preliminary injunction that would have stopped the city from enforcing the airport gun ban. Shoob ruled against gun-rights group GeorgiaCarry.org and state Rep. Timothy Bearden (R-Villa Rica).
Bearden sponsored House Bill 89, which became law on July 1 and permits people with firearms licenses to carry guns in state parks, restaurants that serve alcohol and on mass transit.
But Shoob said allowing concealed weapons into non-secure areas of the world's busiest airport will make the airport less safe and require it to substantially revise its security procedures.
City officials say that 80 percent of the airport is "non-secure" — areas were people have not been screened at a security checkpoint."There can be no doubt that the public has an interest in safe air travel," Shoob said. "Here, the evidence demonstrates, at the very least, that there is a significant question as to whether permitting the carrying of guns in the airport is a serious threat to the public safety and welfare."
Shoob issued his ruling from the bench at the close of a two-hour hearing. He also said the plaintiffs failed to prove H.B. 89, which allows guns on "public transportation," applies to airports.
The case brought by GeorgiaCarry.org and Bearden moves forward. Shoob's ruling only addressed their request to allow those with permits to carry guns into the airport while the lawsuit makes its way through court.
Bearden, who expressed disappointment with the ruling, filed suit after airport general manager Ben DeCosta threatened the lawmaker with arrest if he brought a gun to the airport.
At Monday's hearing, Robert Kennedy, the airport's assistant general manager in charge of operations, maintenance and security, said the public is highly concerned about airport safety.
"We can't get away from a post 9/11 environment," Kennedy testified.
Kennedy said if a gun were to be accidentally discharged in a non-secure area it would cause mass panic. "It creates, in my mind, a stampede," Kennedy said.
At the hearing, Shoob peppered lawyers and Kennedy with questions and, at one point, injected some levity into the proceeding. If people were allowed to carry handguns into the airport, he suggested, people might not be cutting into lines and there may not be "any hanky-panky" in the rest rooms.
But Shoob also said GeorgiaCarry.org and Bearden had failed to show there is a substantial likelihood they will ultimately succeed in their lawsuit— one of the hurdles they had to clear to get a preliminary injunction.
John Monroe, the lawyer for GeorgiaCarry.org and Bearden, said he will press forward with the lawsuit.
"There's no law that criminalizes s carrying a firearm into the airport," he said. "For the defendants to arrest someone for what's not a crime is a violation of their constitutional rights."
Michael Kenny, a lawyer for the city, noted that Congress gave the Transportation Security Administration the authority to regulate whether handguns can come into airports or not.
"Congress said, after 9/11, airport security is the highest priority," Kenny said. "This is serious, deadly stuff."
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/08/11/guns_at_airport.html?cxntnid=bn_2008-08-11_17_00_id331_e
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do you guys remember what I said about this? You know about how instead of handling it in GA, some one acted like a child and took it to federal court. Well, you asked for it, you got it. Also, now that there has been a ruling in federal court, they CAN NOT, take it back to GA court. opps... heller was not won becuase some guy named heller wanted to have a gun. heller was won becuase a legal egales built a case, then found a subject...
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Okay, if this is such a serious matter for the regulators, the "secure area" should start at the property boundary. Anything less is simple intimidation of the legally armed public and of NO practical value. Ah! Empire expansion! More machines, more employees, more money.
Get your hunting travel by air done soon. Or maybe, like smoking-nonsmoking areas, there could be an armed terminal and an-unarmed terminal.
Mac.
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Seems like it's one step forward and two steps back ??? I don't fly alot but as a hunter this will make hunt trips a pain >:(
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U.S. District Court Judge Marvin Shoob refused to grant a preliminary injunction
I am not a lawyer but I don't see it as the end of the world. Since it is a District Court they should be able to appeal the ruling. Also the state Legislature is capable of revising any relevant state laws. Or has it been ruled that the state has NO rights at the airport?
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U.S. District Court Judge Marvin Shoob refused to grant a preliminary injunction
I am not a lawyer but I don't see it as the end of the world. Since it is a District Court they should be able to appeal the ruling. Also the state Legislature is capable of revising any relevant state laws. Or has it been ruled that the state has NO rights at the airport?
its not the end of the world, but it is a step towards it. Going up to a higher court to reverse the ruling will not happen.( even if it did, they would fail, thanks to heller) While yes its true the legislature could revise the law, but the damage has been done. Lets face it, there was no need for this to go to federal court.
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TAB Says: 'No guns at the airport, whats the big deal?'
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Clear interference with my right if I want to hunt some of those famous Georgia quail or other Georgia game or game in neighboring states as that airport is a hub. It is illegal to restrict me in and out with a firearm carried as baggage on a flight for self-defense or hunting purposes.
Airways are publicly owned and are regulated by the federal government and maintained using government funds. If I cannot fly in with a weapon public funds are being utilized to deny my right to equal access under the law for a legally sanctioned enterprise....no less an affirmed right.
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Rastus, as I have offered other Rangers, I'll stand your bond if they don't care to hear your position next trip through the Atlanta airport after TSA expands the security area.
Really, this would be a big deal to enact and the exceptions list (common carriers who ship and receive firearms on airport grounds, international free trade zones,) would take a lot of study to write into the regulations. Might die in committee.
Mac.
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Rastus, as I have offered other Rangers, I'll stand your bond if they don't care to hear your position next trip through the Atlanta airport after TSA expands the security area.
Really, this would be a big deal to enact and the exceptions list (common carriers who ship and receive firearms on airport grounds, international free trade zones,) would take a lot of study to write into the regulations. Might die in committee.
Mac.
+1 With a few hoops to go through, a traveling shooter/ hunter was able to check and secure his firearm onto an aircraft and go hunt/shoot something somewhere. That entails crossing the parking lot with a gun case and entering the terminal to check it in.
If that, in and of itself becomes a criminal offense, I have to call BS on that!
How did the Olympic shooters get their personal guns to China of all places? C'mon, Atlanta, the TSA, can't find a solution?
Sounds like modern government to me.
Sad,..
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..........Really, this would be a big deal to enact and the exceptions list (common carriers who ship and receive firearms on airport grounds, international free trade zones,) would take a lot of study to write into the regulations. Might die in committee.
Mac.
Atlanta = New Orleans without Katrina.
D.C .persists in violation with impunity.
Ridicule from a District Court Judge.
What is the pattern here?
One pattern is thumbing one's nose to the rule of law....seems as though law is only supposed to work in support of liberals.
( >:( Shut-up and pay your taxes. >:()
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And all brought to you by The People Who Keep Us Safe.
Mac.
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And all brought to you by The People Who Keep Us Safe.
Mac.
+1...I think I may even sleep without my nightlight tonight..... ;D