The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: TFox2112 on August 11, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
-
I have seen quite a few 11.5" complete uppers on Gunbroker lately, and none mention any SBR stamps or the like. Anyone know what the Federales' rules on complete uppers are?
-
I have seen quite a few 11.5" complete uppers on Gunbroker lately, and none mention any SBR stamps or the like. Anyone know what the Federales' rules on complete uppers are?
Do the ads say anything about "all NFA rules apply" or anything like that. That would cover it.
Uppers of 11.5" are definately in the SBR category, and one reason they don't mention it is that having the appropriate stamps is your problem, not theirs.
-
As I understand it, you fill out a form 4, like you would a class 3 weapon, go through the background check, get your form signed off on by the local constabulary, send the money for the tax stamp, and you must dedicate a lower receiver that is marked, SBR or Short Barreled Rifle. Now if you have a lower receiver that you purchased to make a pistol out of, and stated that when you filled out your 4473, the complete upper with the short barrel could be ok, to just purchase, but if you don't have such a receiver, and you do have a rifle lower or complete AR rifle, you could be in trouble. As you have the components to make a short rifle, and no other reason you can prove. The pistol loophole is what allows you to buy one without a form 4. Some people will buy the short upper and permanently attach a flash hider that brings it to 16+ inches, this never turned me on, but different strokes for different folks.
-
That makes sense. Thanks guys.
-
I don't think I can get a SBR, SBS, or a suppressor in Michigan, but I can (try to) get a machinegun. Stupid gun laws. I wouldn't mind having an 11.5" barrel but not with a 5" flash hider.
A 14.5" barrel with a pinned on flash hider actually makes sense. The flash hider is in the right place for the ring of a bayonet to go around it. I've seen a birdcage style flash hider that looks like a G.I. flash hider except it's a little bit longer. If you put a bayonet on a 16" barrel it flops around because the ring is around the barrel, instead of the flash hider which is wider.
-
TFox, as I understand it, M25Operator has it exactly right. They sell those at gunshows here in Raleigh and say nothing about possible NFA violations unless directly asked. On the other hand, everybody interested enough to buy one already knows about the law and is willing to take the chance. How do I know? Same way you knew to ask. We gun folk share info, don't we.
I happened to be present when one guy who got caught DWI with his AR-15 SBR in the car, went to trial in (Wake County) State District Court. Claimed not to know the deal. He had about $1500.00 in gun and extras on the AR and the jury didn't buy his dumb act. Now, he's got NO guns for life.
Keep it a pistol, pay the tax or stay conventional, IMHO.
Mac.
-
There's a Carbon-15 pistol on my wish-list and can't wait to pop in my Beta C-Mag. :) A 100-round pistol sounds fun. Maybe I'll get it for my birthday but probably not until next year.
-
That would be quite a brush cutter Frank. If you could get a shoulder holster, it would look like a cross between Victoria's Secret and Soldier of Fortune.
Mac.
-
That would be quite a brush cutter Frank. If you could get a shoulder holster, it would look like a cross between Victoria's Secret and Soldier of Fortune.
Mac.
Concealed carry for Mae West ? ;D
-
What a Gal !!!! :-*
The kids never had the pleasure.
Mac.
-
That would be quite a brush cutter Frank. If you could get a shoulder holster, it would look like a cross between Victoria's Secret and Soldier of Fortune.
Mac.
No holster, just a single point sling. Then all I need is a CCW so I can wear it under my coat. ;D
-
I would LOVE to see the blue-haired grannies on the firing line with you when you whipped THAT out from under your shirt to qualify!
mac
-
Several years ago I was at the range with my Contender pistol. I had a compensated .223 Remington barrel and it was loud. It's one of those guns that had a loudener instead of a silencer. :) When I fired the first shot a woman cop on the firing line almost dropped her revolver on the ground. People looked at me like I set off a bomb or something. Now the barrel is only 9" long and the compensator is gone. People still look around when it goes boom but it's not as bad.
-
How to sbr a pistol 223 into a sbr rifle. 100% legal and will stay that way. I just want to dot the i and cross that T
-
How to sbr a pistol 223 into a sbr rifle. 100% legal and will stay that way. I just want to dot the i and cross that T
Welcome aboard the site, 64.
Do NOT take this as gospel, just trying out what I think I know. A .223 lower that is registered with the BATFE as a pistol should not be directly converted to a rifle. Get a .223 lower that is registered as a rifle, get the tax stamp FIRST, then build out the lower and buy an upper SBR.
You may be able to convert the pistol to the SBR rifle, but I will let others show you the proper steps.
Swing by the new member forum and introduce yourself properly.
-
How to sbr a pistol 223 into a sbr rifle. 100% legal and will stay that way. I just want to dot the i and cross that T
you can convert a legal pistol into a legal rifle, with out a stamp, but not a sbr. you can't go the other way with out a stamp
if you want to convert a pistol to a long gun legally, start by installing a 16 inch barrel, then add the stock. doing it the other way would be creating a aow.