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Title: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: alfsauve on May 29, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
In Newton County, east of Atlanta, a deputy was shot while on the training range.  Stories aren't completely settle as to what happened.  Best guess from the different news sources is he was shot by another deputy and was hit in the leg or knee.

ACTUALLY, according to the AJC, it was another deputy's gun that shot him.  Hmmm.  Wonder who was holding that gun when it just up and fired?

From the AJC this evening:

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A Newton County sheriff’s deputy was shot accidentally Friday afternoon by another deputy’s gun, police said.

The deputy, whose name was not released, was taken to Atlanta Medical Center with non-life threatening injuries, according to Capt. Keith Crumb with the Newton County Sheriff’s Office.


And yet again the basic rules.  Somebody violated them.   And since the gun can't read, I'm betting it wasn't at fault.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: Solus on May 31, 2015, 06:24:43 PM
Maybe the solution is Smart Guns than can read....sigh
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 01, 2015, 08:58:50 AM
There is no solution because people are essentially dumber than dirt.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: TAB on June 01, 2015, 11:51:49 AM
There is no solution because people are essentially dumber than dirt.
simple solution, have a nd, lose your job and the ability to own fire arms.

Guns should be cash and carry, no bg checks, only a big rubber stamp saying idiot on your forehead if you can't buy one.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 01, 2015, 12:50:48 PM
TAB just prohibited about 80% of the population, other wise why do we need LAWS to tell the dumb asses not to watch porn, surf the net, or read their E Mail while driving.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: TAB on June 01, 2015, 12:55:08 PM
well it is better then the current system.  of which putting a penny on the rail road track makes you a felon.


I have fired ~1 mill rounds, the only time I had a gun go bang when I didn't want it too was a broken firing pin on a 22, that went full auto.   that is not a ND,   ND are you pulling the trigger.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: alfsauve on June 01, 2015, 04:28:24 PM
simple solution, have a nd, lose your job and the ability to own fire arms.

Have a car accident and you lose your job and the ability to own vehicles?

No, I think you get punished, like everything else, based on the damage done, whether car, gun, boat, plane, hammer or spear.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: Solus on June 01, 2015, 05:55:34 PM
What would help the problem is if we outlawed  the type of warnings like: "Do not use this hair dryer while sitting in the bathtub."

Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: alfsauve on June 01, 2015, 07:00:10 PM
What would help the problem is if we outlawed  the type of warnings like: "Do not use this hair dryer while sitting in the bathtub."

Ditto.   Plus remove all the warnings from Ruger barrels, too.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: TAB on June 01, 2015, 07:51:21 PM
Have a car accident and you lose your job and the ability to own vehicles?

No, I think you get punished, like everything else, based on the damage done, whether car, gun, boat, plane, hammer or spear.
every job I have had with a company truck, you get a ticket or an at fualt wreck, you will be fired.    So I am totally ok with that, then again I have been hit 17 times,  all 100% not my fualt,  all but 2  were stoped at redlights for greater the 30 seconds.  One was a drunk driver that crushed several vertebra, require 3 surgeries and lots of metal.  A year of pt, and 6 months in a wheel chair.  So I am 100% ok with that.  I see a nd like a dui, you did something 100% avoidable, and put others lives in danger.  I am ok with you not being able to drive.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 02, 2015, 09:27:57 AM
So you want to treat cops special ?
Or do you want to fire chefs for having an ND ?
One rule for every one, "Equal Protection" remember.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: Solus on June 02, 2015, 10:07:37 AM
So you want to treat cops special ?
Or do you want to fire chefs for having an ND ?
One rule for every one, "Equal Protection" remember.

Not quite like that. 

TAB's focus is limiting someone's use of something if they show significant disregard for that something..and if using it in your profession is necessary, you can be fired from that profession....like driving for a DUI offender or carrying a gun for an ND offender.

The chef would be fired if he repeatedly, through carelessness stabbed folks with chef's knives or set grease fires in kitchens.

 
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 02, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
With TAB's reasoning we could take away the right to vote from Democrats because they keep voting for anti American shit smears like Obama, Rangel, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc.
Exactly the same principle, He wants to take away a right from some one because they used it recklessly and injured some one.
I could show that stupid people voting Democrat have hurt or killed a hell of a lot more Americans than all the ND's in history.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: TAB on June 02, 2015, 01:59:16 PM
With TAB's reasoning we could take away the right to vote from Democrats because they keep voting for anti American shit smears like Obama, Rangel, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc.
Exactly the same principle, He wants to take away a right from some one because they used it recklessly and injured some one.
I could show that stupid people voting Democrat have hurt or killed a hell of a lot more Americans than all the ND's in history.


I am ok with that.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: GASPASSERDELUXE on June 02, 2015, 06:44:42 PM
What is wrong with that?
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: Solus on June 02, 2015, 07:50:46 PM
First they came for the cops and I didn't object

Then they came for the chefs and I didn't object.

Then they came for the democrats and I didn't object.

Now there's no one left to come for me. ....

The system works    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 03, 2015, 08:54:06 AM

I am ok with that.

Me too. I'm just pointing it out for the others who might not see the potential.         ;D
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: tt11758 on June 04, 2015, 05:18:27 PM
There is no solution because people are essentially dumber than dirt.

Which (not to bash Glocks) is why so many LE agencies issue Glocks to their officers.  They're basically idiot proof to operate (except for the one dumbass DEA Agent who was the "only one here professional enough" to handle one. 

All kidding aside, though, they're popular with LE agencies because they don't require a lot of training time.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: Solus on June 04, 2015, 05:47:53 PM
Actually, when I carried a 1911,  and would "practice", the safety went off as soon as it was drawn...finger off the trigger...  so, in effect it "was" a Glock...almost as good too   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: PegLeg45 on June 05, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
Actually, when I carried a 1911,  and would "practice", the safety went off as soon as it was drawn...finger off the trigger...  so, in effect it "was" a Glock...almost as good too   ;D ;D

Decided to wear your spurs yesterday, huh??
And if'n your gonna wear 'em, might as well dig 'em in........

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 06, 2015, 08:46:44 AM
First they came for the cops and I didn't object

Then they came for the chefs and I didn't object.

Then they came for the democrats and I didn't object.

Now there's no one left to come for me. ....

The system works    ;D ;D ;D

What's to object too ?
It should have been done 75 years ago.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: Solus on June 06, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
What's to object too ?
It should have been done 75 years ago.

I didn't object cause it would be hypocritical seeing as how I'd try to be on that posse.
Title: Re: Speaking of Safe Training - Another officer ND
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 06, 2015, 03:36:05 PM
Got Rope ?  ;D