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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: alfsauve on June 12, 2015, 08:29:04 AM
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I'm a native Georgian. I grew up on Coke and peanuts. I lived through the New Coke fiasco 30 years ago. (I was actually part of the "roll out" event in downtown ATL.) As CC discovered, if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. Some things you just don't need to be a changin'.
Now this.
(http://www.hoppes.com/getmedia/1b5059a2-8e5b-48be-ae49-c4554d4b83d6/902g-9501g.jpg?width=400&height=400&ext=.jpg)
http://www.hoppes.com/bore-cleaners/no-9-ultimate-synthetic-bore-cleaner (http://www.hoppes.com/bore-cleaners/no-9-ultimate-synthetic-bore-cleaner)
My bench is down to two very basic things. Hoppe's #9 and AT Fluid. Now they've gone and messed with #9. Only saving grace is they still make the "regular" formula. I might have to get some to see me through the rest of my life. Considering how infrequently I clean my guns, and how few years I have left in this world, 1 or 2 quarts should do it.
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It's OK if ,as with motor oil, it's an option.
If it's a replacement we should think about burning down the plant ! ;D
(PS, I said THINK about it, not DO it. )
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If they ruin Hoppe's #9, what will I use for after shave? My wife will divorce me! I know I'm not the only one. It is so common that even Nathan Jorgenson wrote about it in his book Waiting On White Horses. Every woman I know who has read this book laughed because they recognized their hunting husband in it.
Don't mess with my love life!
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Didn't the old formula cause problems if you let it soak into a nickel plated gun? It actually may be an improvement and it still has that same great smell. I'm willing to give it a try when I need more Hoppe's.
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Didn't the old formula cause problems if you let it soak into a nickel plated gun?
Sam Gerard: ...... and lose that nickel-plated sissy pistol.
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Doesn't look like a replacement. Just a new gimmick maybe? I can't imagine they'd be that stupid to get rid of the classic no 9.
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I keep Hoppes original around for the aroma..... I clean with Kroil. ;D
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As far as I'm concerned, they ruined Hoppes #9 years ago when they took the Benzene out of it. That is what gave it that famous nice smell. Todays Hoppes #9 DOES NOT smell the same. Always remember, if they change something in order to make it "better" for the environment, it's never worth a $h!t afterward. The "New" Hoppes #9 is one on a long list of many.
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Yes, BillT is right. one of the greatest benefits to the 3rd world in the 20th century was getting control of malaria.
Then they banned the DDT that made it possible.
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I remember when I was an apprentice back in the 70's, there was a tapping fluid called Tap Magic. It was a very thin cutting fluid that worked better than any tapping fluid on the market. Our company bought it by the case. It also came in a version that was for Aluminum only. It worked equally as well. Taps lasted far longer, and we broke very few of them. Both tapping manually, as well as in tapping in the machines with tapping heads.
Then in the 90's someone at the EPA decided they had to change the formula because of the environment. I'm not sure, but I think it contained Fluorocarbons which were supposedly destroying the Ozone layer. Anyway the new stuff wasn't, (isn't) worth crap. It doesn't work nearly as well. So much so we stopped using it. The EPA has destroyed the effectiveness of so many good products it's ridiculous. One way or the other we pay the price for all of this. Just look at the amount of Termite damage in homes and businesses since they banned Chlordane.
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I didn't know it ever had benzene in it but they quit using it because it causes cancer among other problems. From Wikipedia - Benzene increases the risk of cancer and other illnesses. Benzene is a notorious cause of bone marrow failure. Substantial quantities of epidemiologic, clinical, and laboratory data link benzene to aplastic anemia, acute leukemia, and bone marrow abnormalities.[52][53] The specific hematologic malignancies that benzene is associated with include: acute myeloid leukemia (AML), aplastic anemia, myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS), acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL), and chronic myeloid leukemia (CML).[54]
The American Petroleum Institute (API) stated in 1948 that "it is generally considered that the only absolutely safe concentration for benzene is zero."[55] The US Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) classifies benzene as a human carcinogen. Long-term exposure to excessive levels of benzene in the air causes leukemia, a potentially fatal cancer of the blood-forming organs. In particular, Acute myeloid leukemia or acute nonlymphocytic leukemia (AML & ANLL) is not disputed to be caused by benzene.[56] IARC rated benzene as "known to be carcinogenic to humans" (Group 1).
Because benzene is ubiquitous in gasoline and hydrocarbon fuels are in use everywhere, human exposure to benzene is a global health problem. Benzene targets liver, kidney, lung, heart and the brain and can cause DNA strand breaks, chromosomal damage, etc. Benzene causes cancer in animals including humans. Benzene has been shown to cause cancer in both sexes of multiple species of laboratory animals exposed via various routes.[57][58]
Some women who inhaled high levels of benzene for many months had irregular menstrual periods and a decrease in the size of their ovaries. Benzene exposure has been linked directly to the neural birth defects spina bifida and anencephaly.[59] Men exposed to high levels of benzene are more likely to have an abnormal amount of chromosomes in their sperm, which impacts fertility and fetal development.[60]
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I never had any problems with Tap Magic in the 2000's, maybe they fixed it or application made a difference.
I remember my Dad bitching about them banning Chlordane, I remember the white powder spread around the foundation. Paragoric, Mercurochrome, Methiolate, and Iodine are some others that worked but got banned.
Remember "Fisherman's salve, the stick that you melted some off onto a band ade ?
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Switched to this years ago, never looked back. Works better than No. 9 ever did, and is much better than the current stuff. Cheap too.
Just mix:
1 part ATF
1 part kerosene
1 part mineral spirits
If you are going to clean shotguns, one part acetone cuts the fowling left by plastic wads - but you then have to store the mix in a plastic container.
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Are you sure you don't mean you CAN'T store it in plastic with plastic eating acetone added ?
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I've seen acetone based nail polish remover in plastic bottles. It doesn't eat it's way through.
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You should see what it does to model parts you are trying to unglue ! ;D
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I think models are made of styrene. If they are it must be like putting gasoline in a styrofoam cup. It melts into a mess stickier than napalm.
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Pretty accurate. ;D
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"I remember my Dad bitching about them banning Chlordane, I remember the white powder spread around the foundation. Paragoric, Mercurochrome, Methiolate, and Iodine are some others that worked but got banned."
You can still buy iodine--just not ANYTHING with mercury in it. Used to get .02% mercuric oxide ophthalmic ointment that was great for treating sties and even pink-eye. Not any more. Gotta protect from anything that works.
Crusader Rabbit
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I ran across a comment a while back that there was no longer ANY commercial use for Mercury.
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Mercury still gets to be a planet though. Car didn't make it.
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Yes, Pluto is the only one that gets screwed that way.
Size discrimination, it's racist !! ;D
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I think models are made of styrene. If they are it must be like putting gasoline in a styrofoam cup. It melts into a mess stickier than napalm.
Actually if you mix Styrofoam with gasoline you'll get a "snotty" version of NAPALM that works pretty well. We used to make it when we were kids. We would take a old 5 gallon grease pail, (they were metal back then), and fill it up with broken pieces of Styrofoam packing. Then stir in small amounts of gasoline until it had the right consistency. (Like thick, runny snot). It even smelled nice when the gasoline was leaded back in the day. The stuff would burn something furious. It was great for starting campfires.
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Something to remember when it comes time to start throwing molotov cocktails.
Which reminds me, do you realize the shift from glass bottles to plastic and metal cans violates our 2nd Amendment rights ?
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When I was a teenager a druggist's son our age taught us to make napalm warming gasoline and adding Tide laundry detergent.
We warmed the gasoline on a electric burner at low with a pot of water on it. In the water on a support we placed our bowl of gasoline and stirred in the Tide.
We worked to get it to a jelly..maybe jam... like consistence because that seemed to "cling" best.
Was a pain trying to use a spoon to fill a coke bottle.
Only did one "Live" run against a picnic shelter in the local city woods....and decided to leave this to older fools when the roof burnt off it.
Amazing we lived through some of this...
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Actually Solus, that's the way DuPont made it.
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Actually Solus, that's the way DuPont made it.
Kid said only Tide would work. Was that accurate? I guess it might have been all that was available over the counter.
Two other rules were NO OPEN FLAME ( which I found wise) and make it like jelly...which worked for us.
And then DuPont steals our recipe ;D
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Back then all detergents had phosphates. Will it work today with our phosphate free stuff.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm
"Napalm" is a combination of the names of two of the constituents of the thickening/gelling agent: co-precipitated aluminium salts of naphthenic and palmitic acids......
No information on specifics .
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This was mixed a little on the thick side.
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Make things really interesting and mix aluminum or magnesium dust with it !
Dow packaged in bombs and called it "Napalm", they package it still in cans and call it "Sterno".
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This was mixed a little on the thick side.
Never say "thick". Fat chicks hate that. ;D
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Tom B. got me thinking of home made Sterno and I found a link with this recipe. It seems a lot saner than heating gasoline and I might try this at home :D. The Diesel is not as volatile as gasoline or alcohol, so maybe it will have a long shelf life....reports say regular Sterno can last 7+ years when well sealed. I've never purchased Diesel fuel, so am not sure how to find (clear#1 grade). Any help will be appreciated.
Making sterno fuel (AKA napalm)
One day, about 3 years ago i wanted to create some homemade Sterno fuel, basically a gel that is flammable. i did several Google searches and finally found a recipe for some great stuff.
take 1 cup of Diesel (clear #1 grade), and 1/2 cup of paraffin wax. heat the wax so that it is well melted. continuously stir the diesel as you pour the melted wax it to the diesel. continue to stir for about 20 seconds after all the wax has been added. allow the mixture to cool. it will harden to a jello substance. scoop a dab onto a stick and light it on fire! this stuff is great for starting fires at home or when camping.
http://madscienceguy.blogspot.com/2012/03/making-sterno-fuel-aka-napalm.html
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You know, it's so much simpler and safer to just put away a case of Sterno. Not much more expensive if you get it from a wholesale place either.
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Sometimes it isn't about HAVING it Alf.
Kind of like the teetotaler who home brews. ;D
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I doubt store bought Sterno has Diesel or a fuel oil base to it. Sterno is used indoors for heating those catering and buffet pans you see at parties and such. If they contained Diesel they would smoke and stink like hell. I think, (I say "think" because I'm not sure), commercial Sterno uses some type of alcohol blend that burns smoke free and odorless. If you tried to make homemade NAPALM with Kerosene or Diesel, I don't think it would attack and melt the Styrofoam, because Diesel and Kerosene doesn't attack plastic the way gasoline does.
K-1 grade Kerosene will burn far cleaner than Diesel because it has far less Paraffin in it. K-1 Kerosene is also the base product for Jet-A jet fuel. They changed the formula from JP-4 to help reduce jet engines smoking at full power settings.
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Actually Sterno is made with Naptha.
Effect is the same though. ;D
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Actually Sterno is made with Naptha.
I'll buy that. Naptha burns really clean. Especially compared to Diesel.
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"Naptha" is a wide use item.....there's also naptha soap.
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Sterno is jellied denatured alcohol.
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That must be why wino's can strain it through a slice of bread then drink it.
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That must be why wino's can strain it through a slice of bread then drink it.
There are many instances of people drinking Sterno to become intoxicated. Since the alcohol it contains is denatured, Sterno is poisonous. Bluesman Tommy Johnson alludes to the practice in his song Canned Heat Blues recorded in 1928.[5]
The practice is said to have become popular during Prohibition[6] and during the Great Depression in hobo camps, or "jungles", when the Sterno would be squeezed through cheesecloth or a sock and the resulting liquid mixed with fruit juice to make "jungle juice," "sock wine," or "squeeze".[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterno
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Interesting. I don't think I ever heard of people drinking Sterno before. I have seen Indians on TV drinking Lysol which has some alcohol in it. They called it Cherokee Champagne.
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There are many instances of people drinking Sterno to become intoxicated.
The term "denatured" is nothing more than a politically correct word for poisoned. The government would rather poison people by contaminating ethyl alcohol, then lose out on the tax dollars it would provide being sold as liquor.