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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: santahog on November 12, 2015, 06:19:24 AM
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Okay, follow me here, please..
Trump implied, inferred, suggested, led the listener to believe, that he was in the presence of Vladimir Putin during an interview with 60 Minutes. Thing is, he was interviewed in NYC, and Putin in Russia. There was no Green Room or "Stable" present. They were never in the same place in conjunction with the show he suggested, for he and Putin to chat.
Can one excuse this and then suggest that Fiorina is full of it when she said that she "knows, has spoken with, in the same room with" Putin when she only met him in a "green room" of sorts, in China for some sort of event?
It suggests something more than hyperbole, but pathological, or delusional.. ???
I've got to point this Trump thing out.. Sorry..
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Can one excuse this and then suggest that Fiorina is full of it when she said that she "knows, has spoken with, in the same room with" Putin when she only met him in a "green room" of sorts, in China for some sort of event?
And you evidence surprise that politicians lie?
It is eminently more surprising when they tell the truth.
We have been led by so many prevaricators for such a long time that small forays into hyperbole during campaigns are more than just expected. Well-crafted lies are an accepted practice.
It requires a discerning spirit to weed out non-consequential lies from those that really matter.
Crusader Rabbit
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This is, was small potatoes. It's going to take someone with a hell of an imagination to top Hillary, "being under sniper fire" while getting off the plane in Bosnia. First off, who taught her how to run a zigzag pattern on the tarmac in a pants suit and heels, while carrying a cell phone and a day planner?
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This is, was small potatoes. It's going to take someone with a hell of an imagination to top Hillary, "being under sniper fire" while getting off the plane in Bosnia. First off, who taught her how to run a zigzag pattern on the tarmac in a pants suit and heels, while carrying a cell phone and a day planner?
I wonder if Hillary watches the TV show Madam Secretary and fancies herself as that character?
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Depends on the content of the discussions.
Santahog, that would be the same as some one taking you to task for saying you had talked with me, because we've never been in the same region. I'm not sure, but I think Trump has met face to face with Put in on other occasions.
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Trump and Cruz are the only ones who oppose amnesty AND support gun rights so the rest might as well go home.
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Trump and Cruz are the only ones who oppose amnesty AND support gun rights so the rest might as well go home.
+1 !!
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I should have added in my first post that I have met people in person who would be FAR less acquainted with e and my thinking than Santahog who has never been in the same state with me let alone the same room.
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Trump and Cruz are the only ones who oppose amnesty AND support gun rights so the rest might as well go home.
Given that choice I have to go with Cruz. Trump may have expanded other people's money into billions for himself while leaving a trail of failures and bankruptcies in his wake, but he is not a public leader. Anybody who is so full of himself that he suggest he is the only reason people are watching, and that the media is raking in dollars because he is in the debates, does not have the right mind and heart for public service.
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" Anybody who is so full of himself that he suggest he is the only reason people are watching, and that the media is raking in dollars because he is in the debates, does not have the right mind and heart for public service."
+1
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I don't give a damn about "hearts and minds", or the size of his ego. After 8 years under this worthless chimp in chief, I want someone who can get results, and take out the trash, (read illegals).
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Billt,
l lived in southern California and in Phoenix. I understand your situation with illegals, and I support enforcement of our borders and cleaning up the mess.
Tom,
Can you share what you know, and where I can find, Dr. Carson's stance on guns? I have read the 2013 transcript from Glenn Beck that got him in hot water, and I have read the "clarification" statement from a year ago. His policy statement on his website is a basic "support the 2nd Amendment," but in his November 2014 statement he sounded like a strong supporter.
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The one from 2013 is the one I was talking about. It makes me distrustful that his position should "evolve" along the same time frame as the media fall out.
Trumps position also evolved but over 20+ YEARS, not a few months.
No matter how smart Carson is he has no useful skill for the position beyond being a "well spoken black man".
Where have we heard THAT before ?
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Trump and Cruz are the only ones who oppose amnesty AND support gun rights so the rest might as well go home.
My position since Cruz announced. Trump has changed positions more than Mylie Ray Cyrus in one night stand on too many subjects for me to put any trust in what he says just yet.
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I have 2 reasons for favoring Trump. 1st, His positions have changed, yes, but they have changed over 20 years based on results .
2nd He can afford his own expenses, he is not beholden to party puppeteers which is why media and party both hate him.
Cruz has always held the right ideas and had no reason to change , but he is tied to the party by campaign funding and that makes him vulnerable to arm twisting.
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His positions have changed, yes, but they have changed over 20 years based on results .
2nd He can afford his own expenses, he is not beholden to party puppeteers which is why media and party both hate him.
I agree Tom. Let's face it, who here hasn't changed their positions on various things over a 2 decade time span? I sure have. With time comes experience. With that experience come the ability to better judge people, companies, or even political positions. How many people have changed their positions on Obama? It's in the millions.
With Trump you not only know what you're getting. You also know what it's based on. He not only explains his positions, but puts forth his reasons why he has come to the conclusions he has. Such as wanting to toss out the 11 million illegal invaders, and build the wall to keep them, along with any others out. Millions of voters want the same thing. It's just not a popular position politically, or a politically correct one. Trump doesn't care.... And neither do I. People like us, JUST WANT IT DONE!
The same with financing his own campaign. That is probably more important than ANYTHING else. He has zero reason to bow to anyone, including the Republican Party. He'll run the country the same way he's running his campaign and his company. Based on informed decisions that aren't swayed by votes, cheap labor, unions, other corporations, a biased media, politicians, or lobbying groups who fund every other candidates campaign. He'll give out ambassadorships based on ABILITY, not FAVORS. The same with cabinet positions and other important posts. You can't "buy a job" from him if he never took a dime of your money. When is the last time we had a President who could make uninfluenced decisions like that?
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"Cleaning out the trash".. I truly believe it would take a cattle call for the bureaucrats, donors and parasites to gather in a large, open space, to be given all that they want, (one time offer) work, lie and kill for, and welcomed to the gathering by a first rate nuclear strike.. I don't see the tick invasion as a cause, but an effect. the overrunning by immigrants can be largely dealt with by making it impossible for them (or their employers) to get paid, pay rent, buy food, and so on. Those guys are here because they see the opportunity, (honorable or dishonorable) we all saw, over the last not quite 240 years. They're here for profit and to be masters of their own destinies.
To correct the problem in the future, you've got to bring to heel the guys who allow them to come. Period.
I think Trump is far to insecure and narcissistic to be the President we're looking for.
(To be clear, now.. I've always said that the best "Republicans" used to be Democrats. I still believe that. If you don't know why you hold the ideas you do/"know what you're not", you can easily be led astray. That's true with anything.) You see the spew he's letting off in Iowa now, because he can't take for granted that it will simply come and lie down at his feet. Remember, he's not talking to folks on "the other side", but us.. He's spewing at those of us who believe and want the same things he espouses, but look at him and say "Mmmmm, I don't think so" as the one to hold the line and get it done.
His explanations of the issues, that I have seen, are "It's gonna be "euge"! It's gonna be the best. Trust me! You've never seen such a thing! The foreign policy/middle east stuff he talks about is simply not possible. We can't secure the logistics needed to "go back and take the oil". I'm all in favor, myself, of letting Putin deal with these asshats in Syria and Iraq, but Putin isn't doing us a solid, here. He's serving his own interests, (control of the global energy supply, then price), not ours. If Trump doesn't recognize that now, he's behind the curve. I get Mexico paying for the wall. The proposed solutions all seem to hinge on what he has come to understand as "reality". The problem is that the "reality" he has swum in is the problem for all of us. He is a product of the system. That system has to be blown off the pages of the US Code, till we can see the Constitution again. I don't hear him talk much about the Constitution. He'll be "Our Obama". I don't think we can survive that.
On the 2A, for me personally, (and most, though not all issues), I'm a Cruz guy. "EVEN THOUGH", mind you, that of all the "He would do" candidates on our side, I think Cruz has the least chance of beating Hillary. (I believe that "beating Hillary is more our job than that of the nominee. As it is for the parishioners job to lead people to Christ, more than that of the Pastor. Okay, but if you're a Christian, you get the analogy.) The guy has the personality of a glass of milk. I simply trust the guy on the issues I trust him on. The issues I don't, are second of third tier issues, at this point. No time to major in the minors.
I see our current situation being as much our fault as it is the ones who yank the chains, (and the one who pulls their strings) because I don't like talking to stupid people either! "Who needs that kind of crap in life? Leave me alone and I won't plant you in the garden" kinda thing. We all do it, you know.
Okay.. My brief opinion.. Worth what you paid for it.. Sorry if you're more torqued than you were before.. Kinda part of my charm, it seems..
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Why do I get started on these things when it's time to get ready for church...
Something I'm noticing is the alot of Trump fans are MUCH more touchy when it comes to talking about why or why not. There's alot of snot on alot of keyboards with Trumps name on it. Reminds me of the other side of the aisle sometimes..
God bless, guys!!
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Regardless of whether Santahog approves, Trump has presented definite plans for things like taxes, illegal etc. They are not vacuous ideas, they are solutions that have been successful before.
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Regardless of whether Santahog approves, Trump has presented definite plans for things like taxes, illegal etc. They are not vacuous ideas, they are solutions that have been successful before.
Tom, you don't need my approval, and my opinion cost the same as yours..
We'll see..
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You were supposed to be getting ready for Church, What were you doing still posting ?
Or did the Mrs. say, "I'll be ready in a minute" LOL.
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Talk about stupidity, now the Republican Party is taking out ads trying to derail Trump. This will only add to his support. Which by the way continues to go up the more they try to trash him. These old fools, (read Republican establishment), are more afraid of him than Hillary. This is going to finish them off for good. These idiots are what is holding back this country, and is why they can't win elections.
As far as I'm concerned, they are the only "trash" that needs to be taken out before the illegals are. Simply because they are more of a danger to this nation. If Trump makes it all the way, these ass wipes will be gone for good. The one thing I'm starting to like about him more and more is the vindictiveness he displays toward his enemies. I just hope he doesn't train wreck everything by running as an Independent. I don't think he will because he's got so much support as it is. Carson is dropping, and no one else is even close. It's going to be an interesting Convention to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised if there were fist fights breaking out on the convention floor.
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They hate Trump because he doesn't need their campaign funds.
He is truly INDEPENDANT.
When they call him a loose cannon they mean they don't have any puppet strings on him.
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Looks like we just might have an outspoken businessman running as an independent like the last two times a Clinton ran for Pres.
Trump has an easy excuse with the GOP out to torpedo him. Wonder if that is part of "The Plan"
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I hope Trump wins but a lot of people want to elect Hillary just because she's a woman and "it's time we had a woman president". Just like with Obama it was time we had a "black" president. The city of Flint, MI just elected a black woman mayor with absolutely no qualifications who was running against the white male incumbent. She got the black vote and the female vote. If Hillary was black she'd be unstoppable.
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Frank, that's why I say "term limits" will never do any good. The stupid f#cking voters will still be a bunch of dumb shits incapable of self gov't.
If you REALLY want to "fix" America's political system no vote for non tax payers, intelligence test for voters, and apply "truth in advertising laws to politicians.
Amend the Constitution so that any politician who even proposes something that violates it is not tecalled,or impeached, but taken immediately and executed. Hanging, and left to rot as a reminder to the rest would be best. But all they have are those damned Cherry trees and they aren't tall enough to get a grown up off the ground. Guess you'd have to use a lamp post, or do like ISIS and pitch them off a building.
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Term Limits WILL work....if the term is delimited by that hanging Tom mentioned =)
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Nah, it's about equal on who's running late.. Usually it's me farting around on this thing, because I can't stand to look at it anymore. maybe it's the peace of Sunday morning that allows me to relax enough to poke around on it a little..
(By the time I get home, I'm usually past that relaxed phase of the day... ::))
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Other drivers will do that to you.
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So, I wonder if the GOP has decided it might not be the best idea to shoot themselves in the foot again?
GOP memo suggests Trump reality check for establishment
If you can’t beat him, join him’ appears to be the new directive coming from the Republican establishment
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/03/gop-memo-suggests-trump-reality-check-for-establishment.html
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With this latest fanatical Muslim shoot em' up, Trump's tough immigration stance, as well as him wanting a wall, along with a database for all Muslims, is going to push him even higher in the polls. I'm guessing the odds are in his favor that another attack will take place before the general election. Any and all of this will push down the popularity of the Dems, and bolster Trump. By the time next November rolls around, he should be able to walk into office.
When the masses feel threatened, cell phones and EBT Cards take a second place to security. And the Dems will never look to themselves for protection, anymore than they do now to feed themselves.
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I saw a news report that Obama is sure the next President will be a Democrat.
I believe he said this at the Global Warming summit, right after he said he was sure mass shootings didn't happen in other countries, while standing a couple miles from where his fellow Muslims had killed over 100 Frenchmen a week earlier.
The last time a democrat followed a live Democrat was 1857 .
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As his term goes on, he proves he is becoming more and more delusional, and living in a world all his own. People keep saying he's "smart". I honestly believe he is so drunk with his position, he's nuts.
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People mistake low animal cunning for intelligence.