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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on June 05, 2016, 09:44:15 AM
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There are many articles going around concerning the Carbon Tax. I don't discount these because they are hitting Facebook and many of the questionable sources, because while I was on our local Utility Commission we heard this was coming.
Our government, with a heavy lead by V.P. Gore is following/working with the United Nations to inflict carbon penalties on us as citizens to change our habits. Their plan is to eliminate nearly all conventional electric generation (coal, natural gas, and fuel oils) to stop climate change. There is some talk in the U.S. concerning nuclear, but Europe won't sign on to that, because they have a very good history with nuclear.
Our nation is also attacking water usage. There is a strong push to set thresholds for what they consider correct usage, and to increase fees (your water price will just increase, but your utility will pay taxes based on your "wasteful" use). This is also in electric as well. Electric utilities are mandated by federal law to reduce usage, and they, you, pay to help with conservation.
My reason for this is that we are looking at models of how our government uses behavior modification through negative reward to mold us. Look at tobacco: They changed our view of smoking from cool or relaxing to "gross, rude, and stupid". They conducted this campaign by means of heavy taxation on tobacco to fund the movement - Smokers paid for the attack on themselves!
We have seen attempts at financial penalties on firearms and our Second Amendment protections. We even have several in affect that most do not recognize. While it is important to pay attention to the major moves, more damage is done behind the scenes quietly by agencies through added rules and fees that don't need legislative action or even notifications. These just show up, and the either increase prices or close businesses down.
We need to quit looking at all the new and fancy regulations coming down the pipeline, and we need to fight to repeal those inflicted on us over the past century. Let's go back to the '30's and do away with the law we let slip in that says these things are bad unless you pay us a couple hundred dollars, or the '60's when we let them tell us we need expensive licenses and approval to operate business. For years I have told people to look at the big picture, show me anyone of these actions/laws that made any difference in the use of firearms in crime. Everyone of these measures that stripped our constitutional protections was actually tied to another crime reduction measure that is what caused the drop - '30's: Act addressed certain firearms, but it also had large organized crime crackdowns included that went after the actor.
That is enough introduction for debate, and more than most of us with our ADHD and lead poisoning can handle in one setting.
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Only thing I see to debate about is your comment about "never mind the regulations".
I know you didn't mean ignore them, but not to be distracted by them.
It's always worth remembering that these are illegal laws never passed by congress.
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Follow the $.
Al Gore stands to make billions on selling his carbon credits.
The wealthy elite's have identified this as a way to increase their wealth at our expense decades ago.
Scam. Flim Flam. More of the same lies. Scary stories scaring useful idiots into whipping up emotional waves to institutionalize theft in the form of "required and overnight" legislated law.
Do it now or we all DIE.
I'm telling you, if these useful idiots want to be fleeced I may have to come up with a way to stay financially whole off their incomes....be it free from the government of elsewise.
I'm sick of paying the "ruling class" directly out of my pocket to enrich them and to pay off their useful idiots, aka morons.
And...the bigger scam here may be the water rights thing. As in you have no rights unless you are an urban dweller. Water that falls on you belongs to them....got it? Our riparian water rights are being legislated away. Once the "ruling class" has that to suck income from it will be "PARTY TIME" for the elites.
I think I need to get ahead of them. According to some, atmosphere is boiling off the earth because of the sun but I think it is because of electric lights. Therefore, everyone who has a light of any kind needs to pay me 3% for that light...across the entire freaking planet. If you have a light old Rastus needs to receive 3% in proceeds to protect our atmosphere because I care.
If you want to breathe and your children to breathe....you need to send it now or your air will immediately boil off into space. No sane person would want that, would they? Send me your money now so that I can slow down the process of atmospheric loss due to lights by limiting their use because if you spend more money on lights you will buy fewer of them...(strange...how a capitalist supply-demand argument is used up front for socialist/communist justification, isn't it?).
DO IT NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE OR WE WILL ALL DIE. I need to buy some new guns...and a Citation X jet.
Oh, and I forgot, "Its For The Children" .
eGads I forgot. There is the thermal process as well that causes atmosphere to boil off. So all of you minions send me $1.50 everytime you start a fire, light a match, turn on a TV or anything that generates any heat at all. And that is everything.
Send me your money now so we can all live. DO IT NOW OR WE ALL DIE.
Hurry, I forgot about buying fuel for that Citation X and having to pay maintenance and for pilots...I also want to build my own elite airport and buy a small state like Alabama or North Carolina.
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Read Micheal Crichton's " State of Fear".
Story is lame but the footnotes and references destroy "global warming".
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Only thing I see to debate about is your comment about "never mind the regulations".
I know you didn't mean ignore them, but not to be distracted by them.
It's always worth remembering that these are illegal laws never passed by congress.
Remember a decade or so ago when OSHA went after the Second Amendment by putting special rules in place for "explosives" aimed directly at gun powder and primers? They almost got it done until we got our message through to Pres. GWB, and he got it undone.
You saw my point when I talked about the distractions and undoing what has been done to us. Anti's love to point to the Tenth Amendment and States' Rights/Powers. What they miss is that it does not give a State the power to undo the Constitution. The 10th says that a state can address what the Constitution does not address. The Constitution protects our Right to keep and bear, so constitutionally a state cannot strip that protection.
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Rastus hit the V.P. Gore issue right on, but he is in an industry that knows what good ole Al is up to. When utilities were getting educated in how Carbon Credits worked, and how you could pollute as long as you could purchase Credits from others, they used Al Gore's business as the example of how it worked. Of course, they did not use him by name, but if you did a little Google search you found the skeletons.
What could possibly go wrong when you have a powerful political official directing a program that is vital to his new multi billion dollar business? We aren't talking Haliburton, who got contracts because they existed for decades and were among the best, not that there aren't issues there. But, a business model that is up and ready to go, but needs a new law and regulation to make it go.
When we put up our community's wind turbine our financial advisors came to us with the projections and contracts for maximizing our Carbon Credits. There is one open market that is easy to use: Ten minutes on the computer, and we all knew that the top of that food chain was Al Gore. Even when we said that we were going to retain them to offset our emergency backup diesels we were told we needed to broker through THAT company
This is far off from where I intended to go, but I think it shows what happens when special interest individuals or groups get control of agencies that can regulate outside of the proper chain.
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Another example of liberal double think.
Liberals love trees,
Liberals want to eliminate CO2
Trees need to ave CO2 to turn into O2,
If liberals are successful they will kill all trees, therefore all life, on the planet.
Now do you understand why MARS looks the way it does ?
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Where's my money?
Really.
Send it in.
8)
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Where's my money?
Really.
Send it in.
8)
In the mail.
Lost somewhere.
Really....it is.
;D
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Where's my money?
Really.
Send it in.
8)
I don't know ::)
Honest! :-\
Where did you see it last!
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Just read this latest liberal logic.
Blacks don't go to National Parks near as much as non-blacks. Why? Because parks have lots of trees. And of course trees remind blacks of lynching, so they feel threatened at parks.
"logic" might be stretching the definition.
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I'm not rich yet. Gee, I guess a guy needs to pay off some politicians with free shares in a company to get them to pass laws to keep the atmosphere from boiling off.
I haven't made a dime yet.
National Parks. You crack me up Al...
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Just read this latest liberal logic.
Blacks don't go to National Parks near as much as non-blacks. Why? Because parks have lots of trees. And of course trees remind blacks of lynching, so they feel threatened at parks.
"logic" might be stretching the definition.
People were never taught everything about Lynchings, just enough to implicate evil-rich-white-Republicans. In reality it was the militant arm of the Democrat Party intimidating Republicans to not vote and many of those lynched were not black, I've heard 1500 of the 5000 were "White" (Not black).
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