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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: alfsauve on June 29, 2016, 05:19:46 PM
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Been kicking this idea around and thought I'd get some feedback and ideas from you guys. I'm still working on it and want to make a 500 word editorial out of it.
Here's the basic premise.
Radical Islam is a redundant term. Islam is by definition a terroristic, homophobic, misogynistic belief system. Those who claim Islam is a religion of peace are deluding themselves and are outside the mainstream of believers.
I feel better now having committed that to paper. Took me about 30 minutes to phrase it as above.
Comments, additions, thoughts?
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Need about 470 more words... Other than that, it's a good start!
:)
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maybe change the word "claim" to "believe"
You can claim Islam is a religion of peace with out deluding yourself ...you can be lying
There might be a better word than "definition". Might be "it's tenets" or "it's teachings" or "it' dogma"
The definition of Islam
Is·lam
isˈläm,izˈläm/
noun
noun: Islam
the religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.
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The idea of peaceful Islam ignores 1400 years of history.
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The idea of peaceful Islam ignores 1400 years of history.
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
WE HAVE SELECTED THE WINNER FOLKS.
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Thank you, Solus. Reworded it some. And it moves the onus off of me to define Islam, allowing me to point to the 10 major Islamic countries and their application of Islamic law.
The idea is to turn around the media's constant chant that the radicalists are a minor, aberration of an otherwise peaceful religion. In a small, terse statement I want to plant the idea that they are the norm and the "good" Muslims are the minority.
Radical Islam is a redundant term. Islam. by the way it is practiced, is a barbaric, homophobic, misogynistic belief system. Muslims who believe it is a religion of peace are deluding themselves and are the ones outside the mainstream of believers.
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Not trying to start a riot, I do NOT support or condone. With luck that will keep me off the bad guy list, but I want to share an observation I have made recently. It starts with the question of "what did the god fearing peace loving Christians of the middle ages do?" We sent nights to destroy Muslims and we call it the crusades. This was in 1095 - 1291 (According to Google search). Mohamed 's life was 570 through 632. Was the crusades a response to the original teachings of Mohamed, the treatment of Christians in the holy land, or jut the existence of the Muslims? I do not know what drove the knights to mount up and ride east to retake the holy land, but this could be revenge for the crusades and the hundreds of years of poor treatment since.
Do not get me wrong I am trying to understand and rationalize. There may be no rational thought here and I know that a reason why will not stop a bullet or a bomb blast. I just do not want to hate, even though this does appear to be driven by hate wrapped in religion. I do not think there is a good answer here. This is one other way that this country, not to mention the rest of the world, is being sub divided to drive us apart.
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Tom B., do you happen to recall the reason the Crusades were done?
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I posted this website on another thread, but it seems like it would go well here, too.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
And, here is another website that deserves some exposure.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/
Anytime your loving nature compels you to have kind thoughts about mooslums and their wharped ideology, just crack open one of these websites and review some of the loving and peaceful things these spawns of Satan have been up to of late.
If these fail to help you re-focus, you're probably a Clintonista and there is no hope for you.
And nosimij, you might consider looking at the actual history of the Crusades to give yourself some perspective; and while you're at it, review the first mooslum invasion of Europe. It will give you a better appreciation of the religion of peace.
And before you start in with the "Christians did some pretty barbaric things, too," please note that we Christians had a "reformation" which brought our faith out of the middle ages. We don't stone whores or adulterers anymore. We don't burn nonbelievers to death. We don't throw men who sleep with other men from high buildings to their death below (or murder them in an Orlando gay club). We don't chop off the hands of thieves. Protestants don't regularly execute Roman Catholics. Methodists don't kill Baptists. But Wahhabi adherents regularly kill Sunni believers and Shi'ite practitioners happily murder Wahhabi believers. And we don't regularly deny the Holocaust or proclaim that all Jews should be eradicated. Yet, even those faithful mooslums who claim to be peaceful find all of these actions to be acceptable because they are consistent with Shariah.
And Alf, good luck in your efforts. Writing scintillating prose and finding that perfect turn of phrase can be rewarding on their own. However, I would also note that trying to explain that which has no rational explanation can be frustrating in the extreme. It's probably why writers drink.
FWIW
Crusader Rabbit
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Tom B., do you happen to recall the reason the Crusades were done?
On it LOL
Not trying to start a riot, I do NOT support or condone. With luck that will keep me off the bad guy list, but I want to share an observation I have made recently. It starts with the question of "what did the god fearing peace loving Christians of the middle ages do?" We sent nights to destroy Muslims and we call it the crusades. This was in 1095 - 1291 (According to Google search). Mohamed 's life was 570 through 632. Was the crusades a response to the original teachings of Mohamed, the treatment of Christians in the holy land, or jut the existence of the Muslims? I do not know what drove the knights to mount up and ride east to retake the holy land, but this could be revenge for the crusades and the hundreds of years of poor treatment since.
Do not get me wrong I am trying to understand and rationalize. There may be no rational thought here and I know that a reason why will not stop a bullet or a bomb blast. I just do not want to hate, even though this does appear to be driven by hate wrapped in religion. I do not think there is a good answer here. This is one other way that this country, not to mention the rest of the world, is being sub divided to drive us apart.
There were 3 primary factors driving the Crusades,none were specificity "religious".
1st, was the robbery, abuse, and murder of of pilgrims attempting to visit the Holy land in violation of treaties promising their protection and safe transit.
The 2nd factor was the end of the wars in Europe leaving hordes of unemployed knights roaming around looting and pillaging for their own profit.
The 3rd factor was the conquest of Spain by the Muslims.
The Pope at the time felt the best way to solve the problem of Muslim aggression would be to send those renegade knights on a spoiling attack to divert the Muslim's from further European gains and the mistreatment of the pilgrims gave him the excuse he needed to carry it out.
As for the "poor treatment since then" the tiniest amount of research will show you that the abuse was at the hands of their own leaders and had nothing to do with the outside world.
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I am in some disagreement with Tom. The Christian Crusades against Muslims started over 450 years after the muslim's "Crusades" of conquest against their neighbors and Christians which were initiated around 630. I think lots of good intentions became perverted by money grubbers towards the end of the Christian "Crusades" but that monetary gain was not the reason for initiating the Crusades.
Nosimij there is a reason for this and islam's founder, "Muhammad" started battle with the first offensive "crusades". It is plain to see that the Christian "Crusades" were a response to the muslim "crusades" which started the whole thing. The muslims, even in their infancy were cruel, heartless and unforgiving towards anyone else and laid the sword to the "infidels".
However, the first Christian Crusades were actually missions and were not associated with warfare. That obviously changed morphing into defensive and offensive actions.
To deny the bloody legacy that islam is associated with from its very beginnings and that islamic actions did not initiate warfare is inconsistent with history. There was a very good reason for the Crusades and it was to recover conquered lands and to stop enslavement. In fact, the crescent roll that many of us enjoy was created in Europe after the muslims were thrown out as a reminder of their tyranny and the horrible cost to recover civilization. So much for the reminder today.
Regardless of what anyone believes about the history of the "Crusades", it is both self-evident and undeniable that islam is a problem to civilization. Raping and murdering children is vile yet the proponents of the Religion of Peace do little to nothing en masse to rebuke that type of behavior.....need you know anything else about islam?
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YES !
MORE HISTORY DEBATE !
Or maybe " PUSH THE BUTTON RASTUS"
There was an economic component to the crusades in the fact that the "Holy land"Was the center of Western world trade.
But that was secondary to combating Islam since Venice and other Mediterranean powers were better positioned to profit from it.
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Button? What button?
Nonetheless, there were atrocities, ransacking and such which can't be condoned. It is also important to note that the Crusades were under the auspices of the Catholic church.
After this, the Reformation took place.
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Button? What button?
Nonetheless, there were atrocities, ransacking and such which can't be condoned. It is also important to note that the Crusades were under the auspices of the Catholic church.
After this, the Reformation took place.
Ol' Martin had a hammer....... ;D
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Ol' Martin had a hammer....... ;D
You are too much!
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You are too much!
Hey, these days I don't get a lot of chances to interject Christian humor. ;)
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Rastus, you're still being conned .
Yes, the Crusaders committed what might NOW be considered atrocities,(like bombing Dresden for a week around the clock) but if you read the actual history, they were committed against Greek orthodox Christians and Jews, not the Muzzies who are whining about them.
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It is the new Rastus being discrete. And then came the reformation.......I was waiting for someone to bring those facts up. My preacher son warned me not to step into a crusades defense. It was not a Protestant effort and to leave it alone for the Catholics to try to defend.
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It is the new Rastus being discrete. And then came the reformation.......I was waiting for someone to bring those facts up. My preacher son warned me not to step into a crusades defense. It was not a Protestant effort and to leave it alone for the Catholics to try to defend.
ROFL ;D
To anwer your earlier question, my let's talk history button. LOL
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I though this was a good place to put this today.
Remembering Jack Hensley murdered 20 years ago by muslims in Baghdad. A Marietta resident, I worked with him and his wife at Wang Laboratories(Getronics). He also delivered mail, ran a sports bar and was a school teacher. He was working for a UAE firm helping rebuild the infrastructure in Iraq.
I put it here because I just finished Professor Gad Saad's chapter on Islam in his book The Parasitic Mind. He basically says many of the things I want to say years ago. Muslims who do not follow the koran, who don't belive in jihad and who don't hate jews are the minority. They aren't true followers and are only fooling themselves as to their beliefs. Islam is a cult of hate, misogamy, and violence.
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I am sorry to hear you lost a friend to those devils. I hope his survivors are doing well.
I though this was a good place to put this today.
Remembering Jack Hensley murdered 20 years ago by muslims in Baghdad. A Marietta resident, I worked with him and his wife at Wang Laboratories(Getronics). He also delivered mail, ran a sports bar and was a school teacher. He was working for a UAE firm helping rebuild the infrastructure in Iraq.
I put it here because I just finished Professor Gad Saad's chapter on Islam in his book The Parasitic Mind. He basically says many of the things I want to say years ago. Muslims who do not follow the koran, who don't belive in jihad and who don't hate jews are the minority. They aren't true followers and are only fooling themselves as to their beliefs. Islam is a cult of hate, misogamy, and violence.